15 y/o son uses ecstacy for the first time

[Pinkavvy]

Last weekend at a festival and tribal gathering, swip's son decided to try ecstacy for his first time. Swip and his 'wife' are very busy at these events. On top of being well known vendors of patchwork clothing and running a booth, they are also very involved in the community leadership council. swip is even more busy from being the primary source of medicine for much of the family, as well as recreational substance knowledge. all day and evening he is busy answering questions, explaining, and testing differant drugs that are going around the show. At even the small events, like this one, it's not uncommon for swip to reagent test up to 30 differant pills, and at least a couple differant types of "acid" going around the festival.

Of course swip and his 'wife' and friends often do mdma, mda, mde, doc, lsd, 2c-e, 2c-i, and many other substances... but not so much at festivals anymore becuase of how busy they are. It's hard for them to take a day off at these festivals. So, their phsychodelic use is usually kept to private functions, or at very special events, after party's, etc. Now, when swip says often, meaning as little as once every couple months sometimes to as much as once a week other times. They don't do these things around their kids who are in the mid teen years. They do however injest marijuana in front of and with their kids. Their son has been using marijuana medically and spiritualy with them since he was a preteen. (searhc for the post on his son using marijauan rather then amphetamines for adhd and having much better results.) marijuana is a medical and a spiritual experience for swip's family. it is consumed literally all day long via smoke, vaporize, symbolic charcoal sessions, and even eaten. swip's kids know that their parents use other phsychodelics occasionaly as well, and they are very outright about education, knowledge, and truth about mind altering substances. erowid and drugs-forum, as well as many other sources of info are read and discussed in their family all the time.

back to the story at hand. swip's son, who is 15, is around knowledgable drug users all the time. is much more knowledgable when it comes to drugs, the drug industries, and chemistry then most adult drug users. though he has never done anything but marijuana (and marijuana products, ie hash, oil, etc.) It was saturday night at the event, and was around 1:30am. The party was at it's peak; the drum circle was blaring beautiful chaotic rythem; the fire dancers were dancing; the crowd was howling; and the night was right. Swip was standing near their tribe's camp area talking to a group of kids about the effects they were feeling and was advising them to drink more water, not take anymore pills, and relax a bit. just then his son walked up to him, with a huge "mdma" smile on his face and gave him a hug and thanked swip for brining him to the barter faire that weekend. explained he was having an amazing time and wondered off towards the drum circle with his friends mumbling something about the fire. swip had the first feeling that these unexpected signs of affection from a 15 year old teenager were possible signs the boy was on mdma. the thoughts had been lingering for a few days already, as his son had been asking alot more about mdma and sass/mda alot more then usual the last few weeks. after walking around to check on a few of his friends, he noticed the boy being affectionate with the rest of his tribe as well. So swip asked around, "who gave my son ecstacy" to all the people of his tribe, and of course everybody had the same answer, "if he asked me, i would have sent him to you." Swip already knew this to be the case. Not wanting to spoil the kids first roll, but knowing it was an issue that needed to be addressed, he asked around a little more. One of swip's friends said that he confronted the boy when getting a hug from the him and that swips son had admited to him that he was on mdma. So swip found his 'wife' who is the mother of his son and told her ... "(son) is a smart kid, and knows how to make the right decisions in most cases. I know we didn't expect or want him to get into synthetics or psychodelics for a while and wanted to him to wait and do mushrooms with us next summer, but I think he's decided to go ahead without telling us. (son) is on mdma tonight, and though I'm upset he didn't talk to us about it first, I am more worried where he got it. it didn't come from our stash, nor any of our friends." she started to get very upset. swip's wife was very against young kids abusing mdma, and that night was especially sensitive to it as there was a kid earlier in the evening that had taken 7 pills and was not doing well that she had been helping all evening. swip calmed her down and explain that it would be bad to ruin his first mdma high and overreact that night, but that they needed to talk to their son to find out where it came from incase it was one of the many unclean pills going around. Just then, swip's son walked into the rv to grab a bottle of water. Swip asked him to shut the door and sit down. His son did so, with a big thizzgrin on his face. Swip explained to him that it's very disapointing that he didn't come talk to swip and his mother first, that they aren't going to ruin his night. they asked where the pill came from, and swips son smiled. and thanked them for not ruining his amazing night, and apologized for not coming to them first. he explain that he had waiting all day of testing to figure out which pills were the cleanest on the lot, and acquired some of those out of swip's personal collection when swip was destracted (which could have been pretty much anytime.) he assured swip and swip's wife that they don't need to worry, that he understand moderation, and doesn't plan on using it again for a while, and was glad he did that night, and that he knows to stay hydrated, and that he was having an amazing time. he explained that he wasn't trying to hide and and figured with his reactions to the substance that he figured we would figure it out. as we all cried and hugged and he turned to go finish up his first night of mdma, he turned and asked his mother "will you have some 5-htp ready for me in the morning?" with a grin.

this was an unexpected milestone in a hippe families life. a milestone we didn't think would come for a few more years... and it was a much bigger deal for swip and his wife then it was for their son .... or so a parent always thinks.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thank you for this story.
	loved reading it and always love hearing about the festivals
	SWIP, you make a good dad!

[Nagognog2]

So The Beaver took Ward's car for a spin around the block? Blame it on Wally!

Sounds like a smart young hippie thar, SWIP. Time to give him some good literature to absorb. And keep the lines of communication open. It's an age-thing - teens need to ditch the 'rents and be with friends. Rights of passage. Just do your best.

[Pinkavvy]

Thanks, Nag. That's what swip and girl have figured out, ya know after the initial shock, disapointment, etc. lol

[Nagognog2]

"Mrs. Cleaver? This is Principle Buzzard. I need to meet with you and your husband about Theodore. Your son organized a Love-In on the front lawn of our school! None of the children would come back to class after lunch-period!"

"What do you want us to do, Mrs. Buzzard?"

"Speak to Beaver about inviting me next time!"

<CLICK>

[old hippie 56]

Well, at least he wasn't trying to pull a fast one on old dad. Sounds like swip son has a good head on his shoulders. My step-son most of the time seeks my opinion about using different substances, wish more kids would do the same.

[Veteran Joker]

When swim was 15, he was scared that if he took MDMA his abillity to produce serotonin would be permantly limited. He'd be more scared of it except for a night when he got a good pill. Despite the MA link at the end, no compulsion to take it again. Fun, but not quite cannabis.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Veteran Joker

Fun, but not quite cannabis.

Now you've got to be joking! Swim's first time versus it not quite being cannabis? Swiy must have got some terrible pills or been in a bad setting to make that qualitative assumption. I don't think swim has ever heard the two even compared.

[Veteran Joker]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Now you've got to be joking! Swim's first time versus it not quite being cannabis? Swiy must have got some terrible pills or been in a bad setting to make that qualitative assumption. I don't think swim has ever heard the two even compared.

The setting was too loud for Swim's tastes, headache from sore ears made the roll not as nice. Friends (experienced ones at that) loved it, so swim was confident it was MDMA.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Veteran Joker

The setting was too loud for Swim's tastes, headache from sore ears made the roll not as nice. Friends (experienced ones at that) loved it, so swim was confident it was MDMA.

Swim prefers to roll in private settings, not much at raves. He enjoys music enough as is, but it shouldn't be the only part of a roll in his opinion. The social aspects are much better, and in a comfortable home setting you can have music too but a separate area for socialization.

[chAos]

Swip's son seems like a very bright 15 year-old boy. If he really has as much knowledge on drugs as swip says there is nothing to worry about .

[Peace Frog]

SWIM agrees with rolling in a private setting. He isn't much of a party-boy, and prefers to be around good people while he's rolling.

Every single experience SWIM has had with MDMA/Ex has been in moderation and with good people around. It made them all awesome experiences. It's good to hear that some kids are prepared to see the wonders of certain substances without over-indulging.

SWIP should be proud of his parenting, he's done an amazing job at raising his son! SWIM plans on teaching his children everything he's learned about substances, and encouraging them to keep an open mind and make their own choice. SWIP has proven that it can work! BRAVO!

SWIP should be very proud of his son for not trying to hide it, as well!

This made SWIM's night, so thank you SWIP! It really confirms SWIM's method of thinking towards teaching children about substances rather than trying to keep them in the shadows.

[vantranist]

To SWIM ecstasy and Mj are compleatly diffrent things with different effects.


Like comparing a grape to a pickup truck.

The only drugs SWIM has ever done that actually enhances the mood is Tweak/MDMA/Coke/Smack.

All the rest seem to just give no Euphria or an extreamly low ammount.

Although he has had mushroom trips that can be Close to the four above. but thats once in a blue moon.

[Peace Frog]

Originally Posted by vantranist

To SWIM ecstasy and Mj are compleatly diffrent things with different effects.


Like comparing a grape to a pickup truck.

SWIM completely agrees, SWIM can't compare the two, because they're just way too different...

And SWIM likes the analogy, he laughed :P

[OzzBozz]

i think SWIP's son will be alright. SWIP's Son sounds very very responsible and i'm sure SWIP's son can handle the responsibility of using MDMA safely and only occasionallly.

[Earlocybin]

Sounds like a smart guy when it comes to drugs. Too bad more teens aren't like him, or like SWIM was At that time SWIM was very very interested in psychedelics and probably knew more then some people who made the drugs.. He could draw out the complete chemical structures and tell you the molar masses of LSD, mescaline, many of the 2C compounds and even many obscure ones, tell you exactly how certain compounds were related to others... a drug geek prodigy? Hehe, SWIM thinks he is probably rare case though, he definitely felt out-casted among the LETS GET FUCKED UP drug community he had to rely on to get these compounds Anyway, SWIM is glad to see that there are responsible teens out there, hopefully he will be a role model and encourage his like-minded friends to learn before indulging.

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by Earlocybin

Sounds like a smart guy when it comes to drugs. Too bad more teens aren't like him, or like SWIM was At that time SWIM was very very interested in psychedelics and probably knew more then some people who made the drugs.. He could draw out the complete chemical structures and tell you the molar masses of LSD, mescaline, many of the 2C compounds and even many obscure ones, tell you exactly how certain compounds were related to others... a drug geek prodigy? Hehe, SWIM thinks he is probably rare case though, he definitely felt out-casted among the LETS GET FUCKED UP drug community he had to rely on to get these compounds Anyway, SWIM is glad to see that there are responsible teens out there, hopefully he will be a role model and encourage his like-minded friends to learn before indulging.

ya that happened to most all of swim's friends and he stop hanging out with them as much cuz all they wanted to do is get fucked up

[Stiney]

So a teenager took drugs behind his parents back? I think I heard a rumour of something like that happening once, but it just didn't seem realistic.

[paau]

it's encouraging to read of parents who aren't blinded with anger at the prospect of their offspring experimenting with drugs.
i agree with everyone else aswell, swiy's son seems like a pretty smart kid.

[uno]

great story pinkavvy, and what a beautiful family

swim wish going to festivals and smoking cannabis with his parents (and having so open mindend parents)


but i have a worry: isn't mdma dangerous for young people (like 15 years old boys)? i know cigarettes and alcol are more dangerous for teenagers than for adults, maybe for mdma is something similar...


bye, and sorry if my english is bad

[Nagognog2]

Intelligent, moderate use of MDMA has not been shown to cause harm to teenagers more than to adults. Which is to say nothing verifiable has been detected. Government tests notwithstanding as they were fraudulently conducted.

Small amounts of alcohol has been given to kids in European families with no ill result. The kid learns to drink in moderation in an open and supportive setting. No different than a kid in the USA learning dessert it served after the main meal. Making it out to be something bad and sinful that will kill you - that becomes the domain of what in psychology is known as a self-fullfilling prophesy. Results can be binge-drinking in college and falling out windows. No one taught them the right way by providing truth and setting a positive example. Just lies and hysteria spread through the schools by a disinformation program called D.A.R.E.

Tobacco we know is very unhealthy. The invaders to Turtle Island (the America's) were shown by the original tenants how to use it in a ceremonial fashion. This was likely harmless as employed in a similar fashion for over 10,000 years. But the interlopers didn't listen. Thus was born the American credo of: "If a littles good, more is better."

Something tells me SWiP's kid was raised more like a Native American. I rather doubt he's going to harm himself.

[PsillyFunGuy]

SWIM says as a 19 y/o college student who has spent the last year experimenting with new substances, this story is encouraging to read. He says that for 2 reasons, the first is that it describes a 15 y/o who understands the two greatest aspects of safe drug use:1) moderation and, 2)the importance of knowledge of the effects of the chemical in use, and that said chemical is indeed the chemical he thinks it is. And for this, SWIP should be very proud of SWIPJunior in SWIM's opinion. SWIPJunior seems to be more mature than most of the people SWIM has met in college.

The second reason this story is encouraging to SWIM (and the reason I mentioned how old SWIM is) is because he believes the actions of SWIPJunior occurred from being raised in a setting that is tolerant, and supportive of the safe and responsible use of drugs. Had SWIPJunior's guardians been intolerant of the aforementioned, like the majority of American parents, SWIM feels he would have gotten his info from the kids at school, his dealer who pedals an unknown product, or worse some shoddy internet source with 'who knows what type of' credibility. It doesn't take much to speculate where this could and could not have landed SWIPJunior, as in what chemical he wanted to use, whether he knew the effects of said chemical, and whether the chemical he took was indeed the chemical he thought he was taking, and proper dosage of said chemical. Sure, as his parent SWIP wouldn't want SWIPJunior to use MDMA at that age without SWIP knowing about it, it's basic parental nature SWIM would assume; and as SWIP's son SWIPJunior is going to do things that he doesn't think SWIP should know about, that is basic adolescent nature. But thanks to SWIP's previous parental efforts, what could have easily turned out to be a very bad situation, was instead very positive in SWIM's opinion, and for that, SWIP should be proud of SWIP.

[cyndi]

Swim doesn't like rolling if that is what you call it. It was one of the most horrible experiences in swim's life. Anyway back to topic. You must be open and honest with your kids about drugs or the kid down the corner will "educate" them. This happened with my 18 year old. He is and was in lots of trouble. Started out a vicodin and xanax deal and now he is a heroine addict. This other than the loss of my 27 year old son was the most devistating thing that happened to swim. The other death not drug related. Rather not speak of it. With the younger kids, she has 5 total, 1 dead last year, 4 living, she definitely educates them on drugs and we are pretty open about it. She hates lies and the truth is much better believe her. Her 18 year old is still sneaky, she doesn't know, he is very close to being asked to leave.