Research Chemical similar to MDMA?

[soer]

Hi, I'm just wondering if there are any RC's out there that give similar effects to those of MDMA? Thank you for any helpful responses.

Also, as silly as it may sound, as long as Ive been on here, I havent been able to understand what SWIM/SWIY mean. ??? Thanks again!

[Pinkavvy]

Learn to use the search engine and the swim/swiy thing will become very clear.

Best rc for swiy would probably be Methylone ... look it up

[radiometer]

Similar....like a chicken is similar to a T. Rex.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by radiometer

Similar....like a chicken is similar to a T. Rex.

That's a matter of perception. Anyone want an egg?

[soer]

i actually have searched for swim/swiy explanations to no avail . what keywords would you suggest?

[Bajeda]

For methylone, simply type 'methylone' or 'm1'. It shouldn't be hard to find. Maybe swiy typed it in wrong??

As to radiometer, I think he is implying that swiy won't find a substance that gives you the same MDMA type effects. you can get RCs that share certain elements, such as maybe in euphoria or enjoyment of music, but nothing will match up to E exactly, especially with the empathy aspect, so you might as well either look for a new experience to have or just go back to MDMA, don't try to bridge the two together as it won't work.

[grandbaby]

i actually have searched for swim/swiy explanations to no avail

Read this thread. And while you're at it, I imagine you'll find much useful information in this forum. You should spend some time there doing some reading.

[Pinkavvy]

Originally Posted by Chemica1 3uphoria

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xxxxxx enjoy it more than MDMA because it doesn't FORCE you into that positive state of mind but rather lets you work with the high yourself. Definitely one of xxxxxxxx favourite drugs of all time.

Other RCs may be a little too intense.

2c-b was actually used as legal MDMA back in the day.

2c-b is nothing like mdma. little euphoria, lots of body load, VERY visual... all aspects that are not like mdma, and are the main effects of 2c-b.

[Nagognog2]

Thanks. I love it when someone quotes a post that has to be removed as it violates the rules....Grrr.....

[GDxCAT]

Iv heard alot of comparisons drawn between AET and MDMA.

If im not mistaking AET was actually sold in ecstasy pills before.

[Rush]

Originally Posted by GDxCAT

Iv heard alot of comparisons drawn between AET and MDMA.

If im not mistaking AET was actually sold in ecstasy pills before.

regarding tryptamines AMT in low doses is quite stimulant and emphatic, resembling MDMA in some aspects

[Nagognog2]

a-ET has a few aspects that resemble MDMA. And both are Schedule I. a-ET is not worth persuing - according to the many who had opportunity to buy it legally back yonder for pennies a dose.

a-MT has few things alike with MDMA. They both keep you awake...but that's about it. Though some claim the euphoria can be similar (others deny this).

MMDA is quite similar - but extremely rare. MDE is also quite similar. Methylone has already been dissected at length in these forums.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

a-ET has a few aspects that resemble MDMA. And both are Schedule I. a-ET is not worth persuing - according to the many who had opportunity to buy it legally back yonder for pennies a dose.

a-MT has few things alike with MDMA. They both keep you awake...but that's about it. Though some claim the euphoria can be similar (others deny this).

MMDA is quite similar - but extremely rare. MDE is also quite similar. Methylone has already been dissected at length in these forums.

SWIMs first experience was pretty much comparable to a high dose of MDMA, though (minor)visual effects came with that dose as well. The euphoria was the same, he felt it rushing through his body in waves, just like with MDMA, and music felt the same to him as on MDMA. But a-MT can be unpredictable, SWIM took a wopping 120mg, smoked/snorted and oral, for some people 50mg can be a heavy psychedelic experience, while for SWIM it was just rolling hard with a psychedelic tint added to the experience.

Methylone would indeed also come close, though it's more of a MDMA light version.

[eltimmy]

Not a research chemical (actually extensively studied): SWIM has found that the empathogenic, stimulating, slightly mindbending effects of low-to-moderate-dose dextromethorphan to have many things in common with the effect of MDMA.

Obviously -- YMMV

[Nagognog2]

Unpredictable would be the operative word in recorded experiences. Especially with a-MT. With a-ET, certain aspects are more likely to be similar most times. But toxic effects also come into play and people feel more burned-out.

Neither of these drugs can reliably be used as replacements for MDMA - according to those who tried (and tried! LOL). The powerful MAOI effects of a-ET would lead to serious trouble if someone were to release a flood of a-ET into the marketplace (as some utter boob did). And the psychedelic aspects of a-MT would likely lead to some serious psychological problems if it were approached as an alternative to MDMA. As well as it's MAOI effects.

[Vanadium]

MADAM-2 is an RC wich have the same effects of MDMA. It's also more potent than Ecstacy.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Vanadium

MADAM-2 is an RC wich have the same effects of MDMA. It's also more potent than Ecstacy.

The question is, is it actually available though?

[radiometer]

mADAM-2?

Could you perhaps say a few more words about this?

[Vanadium]

Originally Posted by radiometer

mADAM-2?

Could you perhaps say a few more words about this?

some infos about MADAM-2 (the most potent methyl-MDMA isomere) and other ring-methylated amphetamines

http://www.erowid.org/references/ref...owDoc1&ID=6536

peace

[enquirewithin]

Not sure about mouse eggs, but Shulgin didn't make it and MADAM-6 was not much good. Shulgin and Nichols made a lot of MDMA analogues, trying to produce a viable, legal alternative, but didn't come up with anything of great interest.

Anyway, MADAM-6 is not active. And the equally intriguing positional isomer, the easily made MADAM-2, will certainly contribute to these speculations. A quiz for the reader! Will 2,N-dimethyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MADAM-2) be: (1) Of much reduced activity, akin to MADAM-6, or (2) Of potency and action similar to that of MDMA, or (3) Something unexpected and unanticipated? I know only one way of finding out.

[radiometer]

Man, I had forgotten all about the MADAM's. "MADAM, I had'em...FLEA."

[raven3davis]

Pink...... care to draw some similarities between FLEA and MDMA. SWIM heard that stuff is amazing and remembers pink saying it was slightly better. SWIM cannot imagine a drug getting too much better than a good ole roll.