The Holy Grail of Opiates - Opinions?

[ConcertaXL]

OC is no more than 1.5 x Morphine in potency. The 160MG oxycontin are available in Canada, dont think so in any other country. As for Diconal it is NOT recommended for terminally ill people or the very elderly, but it is almost never prescribed for anything.... It's headed the same way as Palfium, Narphen, Quaaludes, Nembutal, Methedrine, Levo-Dromoran, Biphentin and all the other super-strong, highly-recreational uppers, downers and opies which were once available on prescription.

[Naked Lunch]

To swim, the best is south east Asian heroin that's found here in Australia. At one point, around 1998,99,00 it was 90% pure (swim knows cause swim got busted and the police tested it and told swim), cheap and the best gear swim has ever had.

Then the H drought happened and lasted 7 years, H was no where near as good but still ok and recently, the past few years it has been getting better again, now we are starting to see almost pure afghan H here in Oz. Its not as common as it will be but its slowly taking hold, also we are starting to get flooded with SE Asian H again.

Australia has a good H scene and H is easily swims favorite, the holy grail of opiates.

[LinusMundane]

As for the OC 160's(/drool) SWIM was buying his books for his nursing classes today and picked up the 2009 prescription drug guide and in it, they had listed Oxycontin 160mg as available when before, the last edition he had looked at(not sure the year) did not have it in there, maybe they are coming back.

[fair_gamble88]

SWIM got an oxy 160mg about 3 years ago, was perfect, he was hitting withdrawal and out of money and this blue little piece of heaven came to him like a dream

[bcubed]

Ok, here's a long shot: herkinorin. A mu-agonist, synthesized from salvinorin-a (of Salvia fame), it supposedly doesn't cause dosage tolerance to its effects (though the little data out there does suggest dependency). This would eliminate one of the big "gotchas" of opiate use: the ever-increasing cost!

Also, it's novel, so there'd be the "pioneer" aspect, plus it's presently (theoretically) legal. (The problem is finding a synth: those in the know are holding back, in fear of hastening salvia's becoming illegal.)

[car-ramrod]

Not recommending anything but if youre looking to get off right I imagine fent could you as high as you want to be.

[Daytona71]

Is there a way to potentiete Oxymorphone or can SWIY's who like it can explain the route of administration as perhaps SWIM iks doing something wrong. 40-50mgs of IR doesn't do much for euphiria. SWIM trie to rail a 4mg. hydromorpohione but can't seem to hit the target
Newest list is 12 tabs of 10mg. IR oxymorphone, 120mgs. of methadone, 40mgs. of diazepam, 60mgs dextroamphetamine, a tab of whatever Ambien CR is each day. nothing is euophoric. Once upon a time a 20mg. Bi-phetamine cap rocked SWIM. Now 3-4 times that of plain dextroamphetamine does not do that. SWIM has some 8mg. tabs of hydromorphone and 4mg. tabs of brand name of the same also.
SWIM did read that methadone could stop the euphoric effects of the other opioids, any SWIY know about that? Perhaps SWIM should try to go without it.
Desoxyn-methamphetamine is discontinued?

[car-ramrod]

Oh yeah, 80mgs and above of methadone with block out the effects of other opioids because it takes up all the receptors or something like that. Im sure someone else could explain it better.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by car-ramrod

Oh yeah, 80mgs and above of methadone with block out the effects of other opioids because it takes up all the receptors or something like that. Im sure someone else could explain it better.

Not to get off topic but could the methadone effect SWIM's Dextroamphetamine also? No euphoria at all, NADA!
Soon SWIM will have the methadone replaced with oxymorphone ER so the methadone will be out of the picture and swsims body in, what, 30 days?

SWIM will post the methadone info if found again. THX, Fentynal is the only opioid that does cause some warm and fuzzy if a 100mcg. patch is eaten at once, nicest feeling SWIM had in years.

[stjimmy]

mmmm diconal. about 15 years ago, i was a speed addict. and i had a friend who was wheelchair bound. he was prescribed 10 diconal a day. he only used 2 a day because he smoked weed, which helped with his pain.
so anyway he gave me 10 to try, he warned me to take it really easy with them. so, a few weeks later i was having a smoke with a friend, and i remembered i had these 10 pills on me, i suggested that we should try 2 each, which we did. an hour passed, and i asked my mate if he fealt anything, he said no, and i agreed. so we took 2 more each... bad move! just as we`d swallowed the 2nd 2 pills, we looked at each other. we could see the fear in each others eyes. we nearly called ourselves a ambulence. my mate had to crawl on his belly to go for a wee. we felt awful. but an hour or so passed, we`d ridden the storm. craig looked at me and grinned, i grinned back, and we both declaired that we felt pucker. we had a spliff to celebrate. that was the best buzz i have ever had. and my speed addiction turned to diconal or "dykes" as i affectionately called them. unfortunately, i fell out with my supplier at the end of that summer. and i havn`t had them since?

[Daytona71]

There are no "I's"on this forum. Rule, no users here, just info.

[trannyboy]

Plus I am sure your buddy doesn`t want his name on this board...

SWIM had 3 of the pure 250mg hydromorphone powder vials prescribed a month before they switched to the 50mg/ml concentration 1.25ml hydromorphone vials. So I guess SWIM has a lot of people`s holy grail in their safe. SWIMs holy grail would be opium. Just because it contains a variety of opiates and is unrefined. SWIM might consider heroin but after being addicted once they will never search for it again.

trannyboy

[Daytona71]

SWIM tried to rail some hydromorphine and did not get any results tospeak of. Used 2 x 4mg. tabs of brand name product, not generic. Mixed with water and a little stir almost completely had the chrushed tabs disolved. Drew though some cotton and found a registered spot and all there was some warmness, nothing like SWIM has read. Didn't use it all to be safe as SWIY's have said 4 mgs. would riock experienced railers.Sameoldthing,nothing. Now to oxymorphone and possibly 2 x 40 or 2 x 50mgs./day with the 120IR's.Maybe without the methadone the other psoducts willfinally work as supposed to?

[greenmachine]

most definately the green eighties, swim would have to say. you are getting fine quality every time. i recently moved from california to arizona. It doesnt seem like arizona is hip to the eighties yet though

Reputation Comments on this post:

Please use chemical names-not slang. Are you talking about oxycontin 80mg?

[Boca Bitch]

Well.. obviously morphine is fucking amazing, it's hard to find someone to disagree with that. I've only been on it once, while in the hospital.

In general, SWIM can't stand painkillers. He's tried oxycodone, hydrocodone, and methadone, and all three where overwhelmingly powerful and subsequently unpleasant, at low doses. I believe he may be overly sensitive to opiates, as 60mgs. codeine can fuck him up right nice.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

Well.. obviously morphine is fucking amazing, it's hard to find someone to disagree with that. I've only been on it once, while in the hospital.

In general, SWIM can't stand painkillers. He's tried oxycodone, hydrocodone, and methadone, and all three where overwhelmingly powerful and subsequently unpleasant, at low doses. I believe he may be overly sensitive to opiates, as 60mgs. codeine can fuck him up right nice.

Not that hard tro find a SWIM that does not care for Opium as SWIM is one. 150mgs. insufflated is a waste.Even the PCA in then Hospital is poor and SWIM brings a personal stash to surgeries.
60mgs.of Codeine is a small amount of a nasty opiate however whatever works for SWIY is what counts. Early on 20mgs. of oxycodone 4 times a day was perfect but that time has passed. Currently taking 96mgs.of IR Oxymorphione and 120mgs.of methadone daily with the methadone to soon be changed to Oxymorphone ER. Eating a 100mcg. patch of Fentynal is all that gives SWIM the warm and fuzzy feeling.
Nothing holy about this stuff though as after 20 years of daily use it a becomes a drag. Be smart and be safe. I'd trade clean for this mess anythime. Peace on this Holy day.

[trannyboy]

The PCA at the hospital can be poor unless the doctors understand and respect any tolerance the patient has. I am sorry you have to take your personal stash to the hospital just to get relief. That is something that should never need to happen. As for 60mg being a small amount my mother can't take more then 15mg or she barely conscious for 8 hrs. When SWIM first used codeine they needed 90mg to be fully flying.

SWIBoca, sounds like your body can't tolerate it. Guess it just make you lucky because you aren't likely to abuse it. It sound like the poster after you would be quite happy to have your body. It is all about how you look at it. I know for SWIM he has pretty large tolerance just starting medications. SWIM wishes he had less of a tolerence and tolerant nature.

trannyboy

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by trannyboy

The PCA at the hospital can be poor unless the doctors understand and respect any tolerance the patient has. I am sorry you have to take your personal stash to the hospital just to get relief. That is something that should never need to happen. As for 60mg being a small amount my mother can't take more then 15mg or she barely conscious for 8 hrs. When SWIM first used codeine they needed 90mg to be fully flying.

SWIBoca, sounds like your body can't tolerate it. Guess it just make you lucky because you aren't likely to abuse it. It sound like the poster after you would be quite happy to have your body. It is all about how you look at it. I know for SWIM he has pretty large tolerance just starting medications. SWIM wishes he had less of a tolerence and tolerant nature.

trannyboy

SWIM told the Dr.'s nurse SWIM was taking 25mgs. of hydrocone daily and she said she never heard of such a high amount(yeah, high amount) but SWIM asked if SWIM would lie on the high side, NOT! Even the Versed(SP) some type of pre-op benzo does little to nothing so that 12mgs was given, nada. SWIY SWIM has run into likes Codeine so to each his/her own. SWIM cannot get a warm fuzzy nor any effect similar to dextroamphetamine. 60mgs. does not create a comfortable enjoyable euphoric feeling.
Aparently IR Oxymorphine has some of the gummy added as SWIM crushed a 10mg. tab and not railable. 4mgs.of dilaudid does a little that route.
SSWIM believes it was a google search for Methadone that stated it decreases the euphoric effect of other opioids under winkepedia. SWIM will check.

[mashed]

at the moment co-codamol 30/500 would be the holy grail swim cant do a cwe ( no pills chemist shut) swim has no opiates and is withdrawing badly.any opiod would do swim at the moment ) :

[nick23]

Originally Posted by mashed

at the moment co-codamol 30/500 would be the holy grail swim cant do a cwe ( no pills chemist shut) swim has no opiates and is withdrawing badly.any opiod would do swim at the moment ) :

If swiy has transport he should check Boots store locater.Quite a few Boots open till midnight now days.

If swiy doesn't have transport..........I hope his pain passes quickly.

and the holy grail.........swim's not fussy,but it would be nice to see palfium again.

[OpiateSlave]

Oxymorphone. Period.

[shivakiva2112]

In Everyman's experience, Heroin is pretty much the Holy Grail of Opiates, but they are also extremely partial to mitragynine and it's derivatives, in fact, under the U.S. regime of drug prohibition kratom and company are a god send. Everyman knows that kratom and company are not opiates chemically speaking, but their pharmacology and effects are similar enough to make the comparison meaningful. Meh, <3 Kratom

[Benniboi]

c'mon people I think some swimmers are missing the point here; we're talking about the holy grail of opiates- something that all the old skoolers talk about but who very few have actually seen or done! It has to be diconal for that purpose alone, it's like a mythical legend that few have had the pleasure of sampling, but is supposed to be one of the hardest rushes achieved short of a speedball. obviously diamorphine hydrochloride freeze dried amps would also go down well, and if you are lucky enough to still be on physeptone amps, you could always mix a bit of cyclizine in for good measure, that's one hit that is sure to turn you into a babbeling wreck in a matter of seconds!

But then again i think that the US and the UK may have different interpretations on what the best rushes are- there seem to be more oxy's and other shit available in the states that the man dem' round here don't get. But then again our pharmacies stock the pharma heron' so it's give and take, and if like swim you're lucky enuff 2 know someone who get's 400mg diamorphine daily then your laughing on your merry way. brap!

[Daytona71]

Even the Fentanyl SWIM had that was 1090mcg.patches(Mylan) did little but make SWIM tired, whereas the Duragesic brand rocked SWIM. Nothing works anymore for SWIM, not even the dextroamphetamine SWIM gets.

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Enough with the repetition already

[chukbzle]

SWim thinks fentanyl is WAY overrated swim would take ,oxy,morphine heroin,dilaudid etc over it anyday .its strong but not in euphoria .all its good for is smoking ,which aint werth the street cost even if theyre cheap and for withdrawls till u get to the dr.also wearing it too bed raises ur tolerance WHILE UR SLEEPING,which can be dangerous and a waste . 1090mcg? swim is guessing maybe u meant to type 1000mcg which is a gram an hr unless you meant the total for the whole patch sorry if swim misunderstood .maybe the 100mcg/hr have 1090 and swim is wrong if so sorry again .but If the patch is 100mcg/hr wouldnt it be 7200mcg or 7.2mg? 100mcg x 72hrs= 7200