Smoking - Smoking Kava-Kava

[testodan]

SWIM has regular powdered(grinded),kava root.How can make it smokable,(extraction methods and such) or just to smoke as it is?

[Jozef]

Originally Posted by j2lo0se

I read that extreme temperatures deactivate the kavalactones and alkoloids, aka smoking it. I personally think it's all placebo bs and that people go into it looking for a reaction so their mind just makes one up. Then again I'm the type to not let something take effect on my free will unless it really has. For example I can smoke 1/4 of prime indica and function fine and others say it will make them incapable of walking, talking, thinking, or functioning after smoking a gram or 2. MJ just prevents my mind from racing and I do notice that but all the other stuff is placebo bs. I see the same thing for Kratom all over the place about people smoking it. The alkoloids in that plants are also destroyed at high temperatures yet people say they get extremely high from it. If you think your feeling a little of something then it's placebo and if you do feel that little bit then smoke a shitload of it and see what it really does to you.

Meh, they said the same about psilocybin mushrooms - but I smoked those and wuhzaahh, I was twisted.
Kava? I can't wait to try it.

[Jozef]

When I say 'I' smoked those psilocybin mushrooms, I'm clearly referring to my friend Horatio - who we call 'I' for reasons I'm just not sure...

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Very good, don't forget it again :)

[MrG]

Dude did you not read my post?

A) The extraction method is mentioned in it and
B) It is completely pointless to smoke kavalactone extraction

[spatchcock86]

Originally Posted by MrG

Dude did you not read my post?

A) The extraction method is mentioned in it and
B) It is completely pointless to smoke kavalactone extraction

swim thinks maybe your extraction didn't work. swim knows for a fact smoking Kava paste has definite effects, and these are NOT placebo. If kavalactones are said to be destroyed at high temps, then all swim can say is maybe theres more active substances at work in Kava than is currently known.

[Ontherooftops]

Yes, smoking kava paste is effective. Would swim do it again? Meh, the extract would have been better used in pills, smoking it is a wiered, somewhat uncomfortable high in swim's opinion.

[Pino]

Swim also smoked kava kava. It has definitely some effects. Like feeling wired and strange. -A bit dull and strange body feeling, can't describe it really- But also euphoric and sedating. Swim thinks it is a bit hypnotic, because staring just into the candle lite was really nice. Not the best thing ISHO. The whole high stays for 10 minutes and swim smoked for an hour or so. The taste is sour, the smoke makes swims mouth a bit numb and is rather harsh -he isn't use to smoking-. There is some compulsion to do more after the high went away.

Swim had the 84% kavalactones paste. He smoked it in a vaporizer bubble. Swim put somewhat more than a pea size piece of extract into his bowl.

[bars]

swim has some pure kava kava extract and imo the effects are best when dropped under the tongue..if one could get passed the horrendous taste of it. it slightly numbs the mouth as well. the effects are pretty nice, calm and content feeling with a hint of giddiness but it doesnt last long. swim is about to experiment by pouring the extract into a capsule and swallowing it

[stealthninjax]

SWIM prefer smoking kava kava over drinking kava shake or taking capsule. When smoked, even if its a very small amount, Swim can feel the effect instantly and it doesn't taste all that bad. Swim has also mixed kava with cannabis and found that you get a more alert yet relaxing high.

[testodan]

SWIM has tried smoking ground kava root and noticed some effects,not too strong though.SWIM thinks this method works..
Who of SWIY have found smoking ground kava root effective?

[beatnickmanduder]

A friend of Swim's once recommended getting liquid kava-kava extract and dropping a few drops onto some greenery, then let it dry before he would smoke it. He told Swim that it intensifies the high, then sort of "erases" any tired, come-down sort of feeling off bud. Swim still hasn't tried it, but was wondering if any other Swimmers could testify to this method's validity. Swim just got some liquid kava-kava and is eagerly awaiting some herbs with which to try it.

[abraham]

Just looking into Kava for the first time swimsself. Swim can guarentee that he has smoked micro dots(acid) and gotton high. Twice in fact, although twice it did'nt work also. Twice just got a headache. But twice swim got nice and high one of those times was probably the best buzz swimm ever had. Swims were smoking out of a bowl with bud. Just for the record

[beatnickmanduder]

Originally Posted by abraham

Swim can guarentee that he has smoked micro dots(acid) and gotton high. Twice in fact, although twice it did'nt work also. Twice just got a headache. But twice swim got nice and high one of those times was probably the best buzz swimm ever had.

That seems like a collossal waste of lucy. It is Swim's understanding that psychedelic substances tend to break up at higher temperatures...so Swiy's head could have been filled with a lot more lucy if swiy had just ingested orally.

[abraham]

Well swim knows that. Its a totally different buzz and swim and friends had tons of the stuff back then. Used to use it every mon, wed and fri for several months and used for years back in high school. Anyway, wasent claiming it was more effient, just possible. Stuffs fairly cheap anyway. Realy just wanted to point it out for the record as it seems controversial. Just add one for the "its possible list". swim basically agrees with you though. It was probably some other substance and not the lsd that provided the buzz but who knows.

[MrG]

Originally Posted by abraham

Swim can guarentee that he has smoked micro dots(acid) and gotton high.

I'm calling bullshit on that claim.

LSD+Fire=No more LSD

SWIY got high off the weed and that's the end of that chapter.

[abraham]

You could be right but swim cant possibly imagine weed doing what that did. Swim smokes and has smoked weed daily for decades and never experenced weed like that, and swim has gone to amsterday many o times. So swim knows good weed. It may have been something else in the micro dot, but swim realy doubts it was the weed. In fact now that swim thinks about it, swim has gotton this effect two seperate times with different weed. Like stated above, swim has also done this one other time which produced a notable headache right away after toking, and yet another time with no results at all. Maybe a fluke thing or something but swim knows what he and his friend experenced. Either way swim is not saying one can smoke lsd and get high. Just relating an experience.

[psyche]

Well I wouldn't be so amazed if psilocybin and LSD could be smoked even if they are destroyed in fairly low temperatures. Or I'm not so sure about LSD since it's so fragile molecule. Consider that THC is also destroyed by much lower temperature than the joint is burning. The heat is radiative, and there is a portion of the THC in front of the burning plant matter that gets vapourized. Now why wouldn't this be the case with psilocybin also. In fact, does psilocybin even need so much less temperature to brake down than THC, or is it only because of traditional and cultural reasons that we smoke bud rather than eat it. Maybe everyone who smokes psychedelics like psilocybin or LSD realises how much he is wasting good psychedelics, and everyone who smokes weed just thinks 'duuude, I just wanna take my boost fast and continnue chilling' :P

[cosmicruler]

so has any1 else tried smoking or making an extract?
has any1 made an extract and put in gelcaps??
swim has tried kava tincture in the past and it was unpleasant tasting,but strong from only 2 shots?
swim cant remember the % of alcohol in the bottle but thinks that seen as there were definately kavalactones present in the bottle then an iso or ethanol extraction should work fine...
did swibajeda ever try smoking this?

[Panthers007]

Oh Lordy!

Next Up Dept:

Recipes for Tobacco Tea. Has anyone tried this? Would it be possible to boil several tablespoons of tobacco in water? Should sugar, or honey, be used to sweeten it? What brand of tobacco would be best? How long does the trip last? Can people tell you are on it? What would show up on a urine-test?


(I'm sorry - I just couldn't resist! Honest!

[Lobsang]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

Oh Lordy!

Next Up Dept:

Recipes for Tobacco Tea. Has anyone tried this? Would it be possible to boil several tablespoons of tobacco in water? Should sugar, or honey, be used to sweeten it? What brand of tobacco would be best? How long does the trip last? Can people tell you are on it? What would show up on a urine-test?


(I'm sorry - I just couldn't resist! Honest!

Well I think we might want to say here that people can do strange things. So be advised that one does not drink tobacco tea. It can easily kill you. The body cannot eliminate the nicotine quickly and you can die.

It is said that prisoners have committed suicide with it. Take a couple of packs of cigarettes and soak the tobacco in a large cup of coffe and drink it. THis is what has been said. I have no idea if it has been done or is some prison myth.

[apecsok]

Swim bought an electronic cigarette, and for those of you who arent familiar it is essentially a vaporizer that vaporizes liquid nicotine. Swim was wondering if anybody had ideas on putting liquid kava from a health food store onto the cotton on top of the nicotine, or on another piece stuck in there or something. Just an idea.

After readign this swim just soake a traditional cigarette in probably 15-20 drops of kava. It is outside dryign right now. Swim is not expecting too much, but after past experiences with drinking the drops from the health food store with no effects he figured it was worth a try.

Swims experience with gelcaps and liquid droppers have amounted to no noticable effects

apecsok added 40 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

Swim just smoked the kava covered cigarette. He said some effects came on pretty quickly, relaxed muscles, relaxed mind. Swim thought it might be placebo on top of the tobacco, because he has been using less nicotine the past few days.
Swim decided to have another cigarette to see if it was the nicotine, but he said it didnt seem like it was just that and placebo.
Swim thinks the effects werent placebo and seemed prominent, but he will do further experimentation later in the evening.

[braddubya]

After reading all this swim just tried it with some 84% on top of blue lotus. swim feels little to nothing so a placebo effect is most likely coupled with the fact that smoking just about anything leaves you with a light head.

As swim was typing that swim noticed some more effect. Still very mild but present head buzz and light not unpleasant ringing in the ears. Blue lotus has some effect but swim thinks there is something more to this. Swim tried very hard to smoke it as low heat of possible to try to evaporate the kavatones without destroying them. Swim has to say though applying paste to gums is much more effective.

braddubya added 4 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

Also note that swim dosed using about the same amount it takes for a good buzz when held in mouth which is a very small amount. Swim used a toothpick to scoop a dose a little more than the thickness of the toothpick and a quarter inch long.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by braddubya

After reading all this swim just tried it with some 84% on top of blue lotus. swim feels little to nothing so a placebo effect is most likely coupled with the fact that smoking just about anything leaves you with a light head.

As swim was typing that swim noticed some more effect. Still very mild but present head buzz and light not unpleasant ringing in the ears. Blue lotus has some effect but swim thinks there is something more to this. Swim tried very hard to smoke it as low heat of possible to try to evaporate the kavatones without destroying them. Swim has to say though applying paste to gums is much more effective.

Also keep in mind that Kava paste isn't very effective compared to ordinary root powder, and this might be even truer when it comes to smoking. If swiy ever tries smoking the regular root powder he should compare the effects to what he experienced from smoking the paste. I think there will be a noticeable difference. But you never know.

[cosmicruler]

not a fan of kava swim takes it panthers!
fair enough but swim quite enjoys the effects and has access to large quantitys of root powder so is curious...

[Ontherooftops]

An honorable space cadet was drinking a kava brew and thought he'd tell me of an experience he had some time ago, as something in the nature of his experience had not yet been posted on DF to his knowledge.

This cadet had used kava many times before. He had moved to new place and his old venues of hawaiian root were no longer available to him. With the new material, achieving "kava mind" with the root tea was an unpleasant experience for the mouth and GI tract. So he made an extract using pure IPA. The product was similar in consistency to the "70% kavalactone paste" sold by internet vendors. This extremely sticky yellow paste numbed the mouth to an extreme extent with only the smallest amount, and when taken orally only a small amount was necessary to achieve effect.

Eventually the cadet thought to try smoking the substance. He loaded it into a lightbulb freebase contraption and passed it around. The taste was not unpleasant and the smoke made the mouth numb to the point where it almost felt like a spicey sting.

The resulting effects were not like the kava that the cadet was used to. Instead the effect was somewhat stimulating, almost psychedelic, yet still anxiolytic. The cadet himself, the only experienced user of kava in the test group, did not particularly enjoy the effects. The duration was rather short in comparison to oral admin, and when the effects wore off his mouth felt unpleasant and a little achey, in a similar way to when novocaine or a local anesthetic wears off. Some test subjects did enjoy the experience more than root, particularly those with more of a predilection toward stimulants, stating that it provided a nice boost in combination with slightly lowered inhibitions.

Edit: What's wrong with the SE on this site? No wonder so many posts require the response "UTFSE". Swim searched multiple times for threads containing "smoking kava" and threads with the title "smoking kava" and found nothing of this nature, yet, bam, here it is. Swim feels foolish and a bit irked.

Also, now that all this info is in the open, let it be noted that most of the subjects simply found this method of admin too tedious after a few weeks, some after only one use, and switched back to oral kava or to none at all.

Tobacco tea is way off topic, and though it has been used for visionary purposes by trained shamans in certain cultures, its SERIOUSLY not recommended.