Smoking - Smoking Kava-Kava

[Bajeda]

Does anyone have experience with smoking Kava Kava? I'd heard of this method of consumption being used before, but now I've found that some people have made extracts for smoking with good effects.

Just tried smoking some of my isopropyl extract of kava. My conspirator K and I purchased some 4.5 oz of fairly high quality kava and soaked it in warm 70% isopropyl for an hour or so with lots of shaking, filtered out the brown extract, rinsed the container and plant matter with h2o and added the aqueous rinse to the alcohol extract. The two extracts formed a milky emulsion. This milky fluid was then slowly evaporated to a tan paste. If I had known I would be smoking it I would have skipped the aqueous rinse, but I had originally planned on using it orally.

Now that I've tried smoking it, I don't think I'll ever bother taking kava orally again. This stuff really works well when I smoke it, and seems to have a more mental effect rather than the primarily below the neck effects of oral kava. I am an extreme hardhead when it comes to kava, doses of 300 to 1500 mg kavalactones from standardized extracts have no effect or only slight bodily effects. In order to get a noticeable effect, I must consume 35 to 50 grams of relatively fresh kava extracted with alcohol. Smoking an extract of less than a gram of root has far exceeded the level of noticeable. The stuff tastes like a cross between crack and PCP, and is quite numbing, not really unpleasant to smoke at all. The effects are immediate, hard to really describe, numb-brained, tranquilized, euphoric are fitting adjectives. Reminds me vaguely of the effects of Ambien. Main drawback is the short duration. The buzz seems to dissipate considerably within only a few minutes, but each new lungful brings me right back up immediately.

This stuff is definitely going to have its place in my pharmacopea from now on. Definitely inspired to try and make a more concentrated extract, possibly using acetone or supercritical butane.

Last night in desparation for pot (and a lack thereof) I decided that I would try to smoke some Kava Kava.

I took a capsule of pure kava kava that I bought a a local health store, broke it open, and poured it into a normal tobacco pipe that I fitted with a screen.

I took two hits and was unable to finish the rest. The effects were like being stoned, only with much more awareness and a sort of inner peace. I also experienced mild hallucinations where the folds of my blanket kept turning into small furry animals. The most amazing part was the complete lack of paranoia. I felt like everything was at peace and that life was, for some reason, making sense.

After enjoying the mild trip for a little while, I began to meditate. I found this hard to do because everything I looked at was so interesting and vivid. After about 15 minutes of hard focusing, I went into a sort of trance where I pictured myself floating up above myself. The imagination was greatly enhanced. Then about and hour later I returned out of meditation and fell immediately asleep. For a person who suffers insomnia, this is just short of incredible. Not even pot would put me to sleep.

In short, smoking kava kava has made for the most relaxed that I've ever been in my life. The drug doesn't by any means make me feel happy. But I found that I was able to focus and feel at peace. The best part is, for a broke college student, that it's way sheaper then most anything and readily available at the grocery store. Also, the 'high' lasted a lot longer, granted the euphoria did not. I woke up this morning feeling completely relaxed and now, almost 10 hours later, I still feel focused and relaxed.

It sounds a bit crazy, yet intriguing.

[Nagognog2]

Remember Baj:

There are also people who swear smoking blotter-acid and peyote-roots gets 'em wasted, dood.

Just before the men-in-white-coats catch up with 'em.

[Bajeda]

Indeed, though the reports of people achieving effects through smoked Kava are better documented and less looney than the stories you are referring to. Still, if no one else can comment on this swim may just have to run a little experiment sometime and see for himself.

[PoolShark1184]

SWIM has tried smoking regular ground kava root with some effect. The taste is similar to burnt rubber, not very pleasant, but there are definite effects. As said in that first account the effects are more mental, but SWIM's own opinion is it is not worth it or better than making a brew. Smoking an extract might be interesting, however SWIM hasn't gotten up the ambition to make such a thing, since he is extremely content with the traditional method. Not to mention smoking is bad, mmmmkay?

[senorsalvia]

From the Erowid reports, Swim is of the opinion( not yet verified by own research) that when one does an extraction, the net result is a smokable substance that renders decent effects for pennies a dosage unit...something to consider in these economic times eh ---------sal

[f12button]

In SWIM's experience, smoking Kava Kava does work -- even more so than drinking the tea. The only problem is the way it burns.

SWIM did not experience any "high" feeling, just a general feeling of relaxation. SWIM's girlfriend got extremely giddy and thought she was high, but she's not so experienced with any sort of drugs. It's possible.

[Bajeda]

What form of Kava did swiy smoke in that instance?

[ljfe]

SWIM gave a powder capsule from my bottle to a friend of him. A few days later, the friend told SWIM that he has been smoking it on marijuana and it's be improving the high. SWIM was skeptical, but they tried it together a few hours later, and SWIM somewhat agreed. On the other hand, the smoke is a little harsh, and smoking powder isn't too great. SWIM would suggest trying it.

SWIM has also tried blowing kava once, and his nose felt like it was on fire . Don't try that.

[Psychonautica]

Swim recently did a 99% iso extraction of kava root powder with a friend and after evaporation, vaporized the remaining light brown pasty goo in a light bulb.

It had definite effects, slight visual distortions, swim began to sweat lightly and her mind had the racing feeling of cocaine, but her body was relaxed and she felt physically relaxed sedated. Also, smoking it made swim's mouth very entertainingly numb.

Swim thinks that smoking kava was fun and interesting, mostly because of the varied effects. But she feels that the tea is much better and will stick with that for any further kava experiences.

[hoodabudda]

swim got an extract from the store that has 400mg kava per 30 drops(72 doses per bottle)and put 10 drops on a bowl of mj let it sit so the alcohol would evap and smoked the bowl half way then added 15-20 more drops and smoked the rest. swim was messed up.the bud he was smoking was a high sativa and gave him a cerebral high with little body effects but the kava made it into the most stoney indica he has ever smoked.all of swims limbs felt like they were filled with lead.his vison when he moved his head was in frames,not as bad as dxm vision but it was there.DEFINATLY doing this again!!!!!

[tayo]

SWAT smoked a bowl of kava kava. It was nice, just want mooooore. The next step is to get the 98% kavalactones and sprinkle that on something! TAKE IT TO THE MAX BABY! whill report that one.. is there such thing as a kava overdose, how much root would kll

[Bajeda]

Please keep in mind that this is a relatively unexplored area of research, and as such you should exhibit caution with any experimentation, particularly as smoking Kava seems to induce a more intense experience but seems likely to come with increased risks as well.

[hoodabudda]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Please keep in mind that this is a relatively unexplored area of research, and as such you should exhibit caution with any experimentation, particularly as smoking Kava seems to induce a more intense experience but seems likely to come with increased risks as well.

swim should add that he experinced chest pains after this,just a couple pangs in his chest so he took some asprin.never happened to him before even on 120mg oral amphetamine w/ no tolerance

[Bajeda]

A certain bunny smoked some small quantities of Kava root powder mixed in with tobacco and a little kief recently, as cannabis wasn't readily available ane he felt like smoking something. The bunny had drank a bit but found that after smoking the little Kava joint his head felt remarkably clear and focused and he noticed much more prominent psychoactive effects than he would have from a beverage.

This definitely is an area of research the bunny would like to explore further in the future.

[wOrship]

There is an online vendor that swim cannot name obviously that is selling a kava preperation specifically intended for smoking, swim has not yet tried this but being a bit of a kavafiend anyway he is very tempted.....

The only thing worrying swim about this is as well as an extract the package contains kava leaves - we all know consuming parts of the plant other than the root in a brew is bad, stems etc. but what about smoking the leaves?

Any thoughts?

W

[spatchcock86]

SWIM recently ordered some 84% kavalactone paste. Upon it's arrival SWIM placed two pea sized servings in a glass of OJ as stated on the container. Within 30 minutes SWIM felt a warm tingling sensation in the arms, legs and back. This was accompanied with a feeling of relaxation in the muscles and a general sense of calm and clarity. An hour or so later SWIM noticed the effect beginning to ware off. SWIM remembered reading reports of Kava being active when smoked, so decided to give it a go . 1/4 of the pea sized serving was placed in a lung (the homemade bong kind) and smoked. SWIM was not expecting much, if anything at all. SWIM was just curious to A) see if it burned and B) how bad it tasted. SWIM was pleasantly surprised to find that it was in fact stronger at only a fraction of the previous dose. SWIM was in a blissful state of relaxation for around 20 mins before the effects started to ware off. SWIM also noticed mild colour intensification. SWIM will most definitely be trying this again, with added MJ to the mix.

[Alfa]

With combined oral and smoked doses, it is hard to say what effect came from which kavalactone dose. I find your report a very interesting indication, but it would be more objective to read how SWIY's coming experiment with smoked kavalactone paste turns out. it would be very nice if SWIY would measure the smoked dose(s) in that experiment.

[FEIERSALAMANDER]

for a while swim bought kavapills in the pharmacy with 120mg active ingredient(highest dosage one can get) and took first only one, later five(and more) but he can´t felt something. I think he shall try to smoke the liquid extract(after drying) inside the pills. surely swim will refer you the outcomes

[mike7707]

Regular kava root, in my experience is really not strong enough to be smokable. Pehaps a good extract could be, but kava root for the most part has a dosage best measuered in grams and not all of the kavalactones are water soluable. Thus the best way to use kava is to grind it up and eat it by the spoonful.

[hoodabudda]

Originally Posted by mike7707

Regular kava root, in my experience is really not strong enough to be smokable. Pehaps a good extract could be, but kava root for the most part has a dosage best measuered in grams and not all of the kavalactones are water soluable. Thus the best way to use kava is to grind it up and eat it by the spoonful.

yeah an alcoholic tincture of the powdered root works very well when put on a smokeable substance then evaporated. cannabis is swim personal fav.

[spatchcock86]

Originally Posted by Alfa

With combined oral and smoked doses, it is hard to say what effect came from which kavalactone dose. I find your report a very interesting indication, but it would be more objective to read how SWIY's coming experiment with smoked kavalactone paste turns out. it would be very nice if SWIY would measure the smoked dose(s) in that experiment.

Experiment 2: 84% kavalactone paste. smoked. SWIM made sure he had no substances in his system 24 hours prior to the experiment. Although SWIM was unable to get hold of of his more accurate scales at the time, he guessed the dose to be around 350-500mg max, smoked over a period of 3-5 minutes (in a lung). SWIM would like to point out the smoke is very harsh, and is probably not something to do too often. SWIM noticed the effects come on within 2-3 minutes, reaching the peak at about ten minutes. SWIM definitely thinks this method gives the Kava a far more psychoactive feel. SWIM enters a very relaxed,day dreamish state. Colour is mildly intensified, and takes on a yellowish tinge. SWIM also notices a lightness of the head and around the eyes, like a mild Cannabis Sativa strain. To sum up, SWIM feels that unless taking high doses orally, Kava feels like a nice relaxing supplement. Where as smoking is a step above and has a "drugish" feel to it. The only down side to smoking (apart from the harshness) is the duration is shorter and SWIM doesn't notice and tingles in the body as much. It seems to be much more directed towards the head.

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[kookoo4coca]

SWIM just received his Kava Paste (84%) He said that it was tannish in color, and when he put it to his nose to smell, it smelled like hot shit! Even so, he enthusiastically took just a smigden on his forefinger and rubbed it on his gums. He reported that almost immediately his gums and tongue froze, and his head got a little hot. He felt mildly high, almost feathery high. He's anxiously awaiting his wife's departure to the bed so he can smoke some. He said he'd let me know how it went, and I'll make sure I post it here.

But he's DEF glad for it, and said this will be an active part of his arsenal.

[MrG]

Experiential Report on Smoking questionable substance extracted from Kava

Being out of weed and rather bored, SWIM decided to run an experiment on smoking Kavalactone. Please bare in mind that the extraction process used *supposedly* separates Kavalactone from Kava-Kava powder and that is all SWIM had to go on.

30gm worth of Kava powder capsules were opened and the contents emptied into a glass mason jar with a sealable lid.

About 80ml of anhydrous acetone was poured in to said jar and the lid clipped shut.

Jar was shaken and left on the balcony in the sun to get nicely warm cos said extraction procedure had mentioned about using warm acetone

After about 20 minutes of periodic shaking of warm jar the lid was opened and contents were poured into a coffee filter in another glass mason jar (yes SWIM *does* seem to have ready access to multiple glass mason jars)

The acetone that dripped through to the second jar was quite yellow in colour. This supposedly being proof of the Kavalactone content.

This yellow liquid was then poured out into a pyrex dish and the acetone left to evaporate.

What was left resembled a thin layer of Bovril (Marmite for carnivores) in colour, consistency and, surprisingly, smell.

The contents of three cigarettes were emptied into said glass dish and used to mop up the gelatinous goo.

Three joints were then made from this, now mildly sticky, tobacco and smoked, what follows is a detailed, in depth analysis explaining, in full, the effects of smoking these three joints:

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Absolutely. Fucking. Nothing.

This report is available for download in pdf format with accompanying powerpoint presentation, research notes, drill-down/through referencing hyperlinks and fully flash enabled graphical data subsets.

[kookoo4coca]

thanx man! lol.. you had swim going there for a minute. yeah, he tried to just place the paste into his bong (put a screen over it) and lit that shit.... the smell was like whoa! but he held that acrid smoke in his lungs and coughed it up. Smoke was very strong.

Swim did report feeling detached, airy, flighty, dreamy. he also noticed his lower region spiking up.. nice.

anyways, that lasted for about 45 mins or so, then he lit a mj and had a lager. nothing was bothering him, not even the dogs and their yapping. not even his nagging ass wife. i think all men should have this in their homes

swim got brave and eyed about 10 gms to insuffalate. it wasn't so bad, but he didn't dig that "mud drip" at the back of his throat, or blowing out brown snot. so he's looking for a way to make his kanna into resin and clean that until he has something he can sniff w/o it being tree bark.

[j2lo0se]

I read that extreme temperatures deactivate the kavalactones and alkoloids, aka smoking it. I personally think it's all placebo bs and that people go into it looking for a reaction so their mind just makes one up. Then again I'm the type to not let something take effect on my free will unless it really has. For example I can smoke 1/4 of prime indica and function fine and others say it will make them incapable of walking, talking, thinking, or functioning after smoking a gram or 2. MJ just prevents my mind from racing and I do notice that but all the other stuff is placebo bs. I see the same thing for Kratom all over the place about people smoking it. The alkoloids in that plants are also destroyed at high temperatures yet people say they get extremely high from it. If you think your feeling a little of something then it's placebo and if you do feel that little bit then smoke a shitload of it and see what it really does to you.