Oral use - phenazepam: Experiences and Information

[wearestardust]

I see that many posters are under the impression that phenazepam (BTW the very first post has the formula WRONG: 7-Bromo-5-(2-chlorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-2H-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one is the correct formula, CAS # is: 51753-57-2) is soluble in vodka. Not true, not even the 85% Polish vodka which is the strongest commercially available in the UK. Liquid dosing of phenazepam is out, I am afraid. But the effective strength is more than 500mcg, even though that strength is widely available in Russia and Ukraine. 2mg is more like an effective dose, being equivalent to around 1mg alprazolam, but with a much longer half-life of around 100 hours.
WAS

[wearestardust]

I should really have replied to snapper. SWIWAS finds that a dose of 4mg is a good dose which will keep him panic-free for quite a long time, longer than diazepam or clonazepam. Effects? More like a triazolo analog than a 1,4 benzo like diaz. Warm fuzzies and a long lasting calmness. An excellent benzo for use by those susceptible to no-warning panic episodes. SWIWAS has never noticed any side-effects that would put him off using it, and certainly it is a much better choice thn the anxiolytic drug lorazepam, which has unwanted side efects and is also one of the very worst drugs in the world to quit even after a short course. Withdrawal from phenazepam is hardly noticeable at doses up to 4 or 6mg daily, but 3mg lorazepam for two weeks can produce the most horrendous withdrawal, and has the dubious honour of being the benzo which causes most deaths in withdrawal due to seizure. How did lorazepam end up being discussed in this thread anyway? I think they made a huge mistake in giving it the benefit of doubt when it was goingto be withdrawn in the early 1980s. It is not a benzo I would recommend for any person, any purpose, except in a single dose of the 2,5mg strength to quell an ongoing panic episode. NEVER take lorazepam regularly. Alprazolam comes second in the danger stakes, yet is the most prescribed benzo in the USA. They are slowly withdrawing it from the UK market, which means that SWIWAS will have to switch to somethin else; however his first choice has already been deleted (bromazepam) and his next (clonazepam) may only be prescribed in the UK for epileptic conditions, NOT anxiety/panic. Perhaps then alternative sources than the NHS doctor must be considered here.
WAS

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finally some useful info on this one! thanks

[Iggypoop]

In my experience its neither water or alcohol soluble (40% alcohol anyway) although heating may help in forming a solution.

Also, to anyone wishing to try phenazepam, i would start with a .5mg dose and work up (not on the same day). A lot of how a benzo hits you can depend on tolerances to alcohol, etc. I know people who slobber after 10mg vailum and other people who need 40mg to be 'wobbly'

I think phenazepam is pretty safe apart from the ataxia and amnesia. One weekend a friend weighed out 20mg(?) and chopped it up into 2mg doses, unfortunately after he did this he mixed the remainder into a bag of ketamine... needless to say a wacky weekend was had by all who encountered the K.

[cosmicruler]

Originally Posted by Iggypoop

In my experience its neither water or alcohol soluble (40% alcohol anyway) although heating may help in forming a solution.

Also, to anyone wishing to try phenazepam, i would start with a .5mg dose and work up (not on the same day). A lot of how a benzo hits you can depend on tolerances to alcohol, etc. I know people who slobber after 10mg vailum and other people who need 40mg to be 'wobbly'

I think phenazepam is pretty safe apart from the ataxia and amnesia. One weekend a friend weighed out 20mg(?) and chopped it up into 2mg doses, unfortunately after he did this he mixed the remainder into a bag of ketamine... needless to say a wacky weekend was had by all who encountered the K.

SWIM believe it is soluble in strong ethanol (90+%)!!!

[wearestardust]

Correct; it is not suitable for liquid dosing at all. The phenazepam which SWIWAS used ( and still occasionally does) IS entitled to be regarded as recreational. As for dosae, as i said, 0.5 and 1mg are extremely low doses, 1mg being equivalent in subjective experience to only about 10mg diazepam. His normal dosage is about 4mg, which is an excellent dose for anxiety and acute panic, and lasts long enough to give the user a long-ish period of pretty euphoric calm; not heavy sedation, either. I take issue with the people who describe it as being extremely hypnotic. The batch SWIWAS is using is assayed at 98% and is very akin to alprazolam in effect. It does not appear to be a controlled substance, and is certainly not as strong as many are making it out to be.
It may be an idea to find somewhere to make your phenazepam into tablet form in 2mg or 4mg doses. That is subjectively like 20 and 40mg diazepam respectively, just the right doses for panic attack.
Having looked at the chemistry, yes, it looks as if it would be closest to lorazepam or oxazepam. I would stick my neck out here and say that lorazepam is a stronger benzo, just with a shorter half-life. All in all it is a very useful thing to have around if you suffer chronic and severe anxiety and panic. WD should not cause so many problems because of its relatively long half-life and the fact that it is perfectly suitable for diazepam substitution should one become a little too dependent on it.
WAS

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Thanks for the first hand info

[radiometer]

Following is a report of a "train-wreck" experience involving this compound, found on another discussion board:

Background:

I am heavily experienced with sedatives. My favorites are clonazepam (Klonopin), temazepam (Restoril), and phenobarbital. I'm sure secobarbital (Seconal, Tuinal) would also be added to that list if I were ever given the opportunity to try it.

I have had a few blackouts while mixing benzodiazepines with Alcohol before, but the worst up until this experience only lasted two days. That one included 35mgs of clonazepam, 75mgs of clorazepate (Tranxene), 40mgs of oxycodone (experienced Opiate user then, currently Opiate dependent), and from what my friends said, over a 12 pack of beer. I have never had a blackout from Alcohol alone.

Since then, I have been very careful when mixing depressants. At least up until this horrific experience I am about to write about.

I also want to mention that we are all from out in the country. The closest large city to us is Pittsburgh. This may help readers to picture some of this mess better. I mean, we are somewhat used to large cities, but most of us have lived in the country most of our lives. The places I speak about are all small town cities, and the main city we cop dope at and where some of us live has a population of only around 30,000.


Preface:

This is going to be a bit different from my other trip reports, as I normally only write reports based on entheogenic experiences and herbal adventures with uncommon (to the United States) or rare psychoactive plants. However, this is a priceless warning for anyone that may have the desire to experiment with pharmaceutical grade benzodiazepine powders without a proper scale.

I have a scale accurate to 0.001g, but I did not have it in my possession during this experience, not would it have done any good if I did, as phenazepam is active at 0.5mgs. I'm sure 1-3mgs is plenty for recreational use even though I am fairly certain this is not one of the better benzodiazepines.


Story:

Well, here we go. First off I have to mention that at least 90% of this report is seen through the eyes of other people that I was around during the week long circus because I barely remember anything that happened. Also, there is no discerning the time frame in which these events took place except for the start, before I went to jail, and after I got out of jail. The stories told in between are in no particular order.

It all started with me and my girlfriend "A" at one of our friend's trailer. No one else was there, and we were bored so we decided to dip into the 1g of phenazepam powder I had received the day before. As I said, I didn't have a scale at the time, so we just took a knife and swallowed a tiny little amount. It was a completely tasteless, white powder.

After about 1/2 an hour we ended up taking another tiny dose as we didn't feel too much from the first amount. As far as I know the night ended there. Nothing outlandish happened, and I remember not being too impressed with it.

Somewhere along the line I ended up at another friend's apartment "J" and "L." They are both very fond of benzodiazepines, so I figured they would enjoy the large amount that I had of something new. Another friend of mine, "G" was there, and he was drunk, acting like an asshole so I decided to feed him a bump of the powder to knock his ass out. It did. He slept until 4 in the morning, when he awoke concerned that his girlfriend was wondering where the hell he was.

His girlfriend lived in the same apartment complex, so me and "J" walked over with him. When we got there, his girlfriend barely said anything other than expressed that she was somewhat worried because she knows how he is when he drinks.

Well "G," for some reason or another had a guilty conscience or maybe even a bit delusional started screaming, "I didn't fucking do anything! What the fuck is wrong with you!?!" He proceeded to grab her by her neck, and her friend broke it up. "J" and I didn't want to be involved in his episodes, so we went back over to his apartment.

Yes, I know, it was very irresponsible of me to have given him the drug in the first place, knowing how he is, but that just shows how intoxicated I was, as I am a very responsible person when it comes to drugs.

Another section of the story began when I was with my friend "Je" and his girlfriend "An." I suppose we were smoking Crack all night while eating massive amounts of phenazepam and for some odd reason "Je" wanted to partake in some of my DOM with his girlfriend early in the morning. I gave him 5mgs and her 3mgs.

At some point, I ended up with my girlfriend again, still with the last two friends mentioned, and we were on another mission to get money for Crack and Heroin. Apparently we showed up at "M's" house, the place we go to do our hard drug deals, and we bought some Heroin. I remember doing a couple bags and telling my girlfriend to be careful. What I don't remember is walking back and forth screaming at my girlfriend, before we got the stuff, to get back in the car while I was walking through the drug dealer's yard (a drug dealer that I didn't personally know), and my girl was falling into the fence. "M" and his girl were telling us that we were going to get shot while the dealer was inquiring about what the hell our problem was. Not my type of behavior at all even though I am a drug addict.

I suppose we got the money from "Je" and "An" panhandling it from local gas stations and grocery stores. I normally never go for that standard of drug behavior. If I can't manipulate my parents into giving me money or sell drugs to get money, I just don't do drugs.

Apparently we went across the river into WV, as we live on the border of Ohio and WV, to find more sources to panhandle, and at some point some form of "logical" reasoning hit me. I can't drive, so lets let my friend "Je" drive who doesn't have a license and is probably so sedated that he forgot he had even taken the DOM and whatever was going on seemed perfectly normal to him. We were all taking key bump after key bump of the phenazepam and licking it off of the knife.

Well, of course, here come the police. I was in the passenger seat, when one of the two cops approached my vehicle about "Je" harassing customers at the gas station we were at. He already had a warrant for stealing $6 worth of gas at that particular store, and I had recently spent a couple months in jail on a possession of Heroin charge in Ohio.

The police were adamant about searching my car, but I refused to let them. Our girlfriend's were half passed out in the back seat, and I told the cops that they were sick, and I was just trying to get them back to Ohio to go home. Well, while we were waiting to get authorization to leave, I reached into the back seat, and the undercover cop sitting at the pump beside me gave the signal to search the vehicle. My girlfriend was so out of it that I'm not even sure if she knew there were ever any police there or perhaps she thought they left while they were searching my car, but she was wobbling around the back of my car talking about the syringes in the trunk.

There is no paraphernalia charge in WV, but the cop lied and said he found a bag of dope as well. The shit was in a woman's purse, bag type thing and for some reason I did think there was half of a bag left in my car, so I didn't fight the arrest.

So there we were; me and "Je" were off to Moundsville regional jail, and the police took the girls to "An's" house.

The only things I remember about being in that jail was the meal trays (not the food), they were yellow, "Je" being my cell mate, and the arraignment being held in a room with a video where each inmate talked to the fat guy on the screen. "Je" kept asking if he could make a plea, and I was laughing because we weren't even in court! He was arguing with the fat guy, irritatingly stating, "I just want to make a fucking plea!" I don't even remember being out of my normal clothes.

I believe we were there for 2-3 days, not really sure, but on the second or third day we got bonded out. "Je" was talking about some big dude wanting to fight us over something, but I don't remember anyone that was there except for us.

My Mother was the one that drove down to get us, but "Je's" Father was with her as well. I didn't say much, but "Je" and his Dad were arguing the whole way home about getting his disability check because he wanted to get drugs.

This is where things started getting really out of hand. I had no idea where my girlfriend was and neither did "Je" know where "An" was. So, I went on a search to see what the hell was going on. Here they were together prostituting themselves on the streets for Crack and Heroin, not to mention sleeping with each other! I didn't know how to deal with this at all because my girlfriend had never really been like that. I guess they still had Heroin when they were brought back to "An's," so I ended up getting out of my charges.

After sticking through it for a day or two, I couldn't take it anymore, so I left my girl on the streets. Somehow I still had the phenazepam powder. I guess the cops never found it in my pocket or something. I don't have a clue.

I ended up at home after getting out of jail. I don't think it was the day I got out but more likely the next day after eating more of the damn shit, I was being bitched out by my Dad for being heavily intoxicated. He thought I was on Heroin, and I was swearing to God that I wasn't on anything when I probably looked like I ate a couple Quaaludes. Here my best friend "Ji" (I know lots of "J" friends; sorry) stopped over. "D" came right behind him, and I guess "Ji" was telling him he probably should stop by later and that it wasn't a good time. "D" isn't quite used to my wild life. He is a friend that I play guitar with sometimes, and he's a few years younger than myself.

I guess "Ji" and "D" were in "D's" car smoking a joint when my Dad took off around them in the driveway on his motorcycle having had enough of the bullshit, and I came running out of the house with a knife to my throat yelling "You think I'm afraid of death? I'm not afraid to die! I know what comes after this!" My neighbors were out on their porches probably thinking, "What in the fuck is this dude on?" God, if they only knew.

Here the reason I was flipping out was because my Mom told me she was going to commit suicide by eating a bottle of Methadone followed by a bottle of temazepam. I calmed down a little and was yelling at my Mother, "Why would you tell me that RIGHT NOW!?!"

"Ji" talked me into leaving and agreed to take me into town so I could get a $50 rock of Crack to get my fucking head out of the clouds. I vaguely remember smoking it at his house and up in the woods while we hiked. I was told that I was nodding off hardcore in between hits and that the $50 piece lasted me four hours! Shit, that would normally be gone in ten to twenty minutes.

At yet another point, I was back at "J's" apartment drinking wine with my ex-girlfriend that left me more than a year before and had been trying to get back together with me. Shit, there was no drug in the world (apparently) that would have had me sleep with that crazy *****. < That word can be whatever you want it to be. *smiles*

Well, I did talk her into "taking her car to get food," when I was really planning on going downtown to get Crack. I didn't make it 1/4 a mile. I remember thinking, "Damn, this car has balls. ...What the FUCK am I doing in this yard!" I flipped the car over the guardrail, completely totaling it. I have never wrecked a car in my life, and believe me, I have driven under the influence of just about everything.

Here comes the police. Of course they thought I was drunk, but I had not had enough wine to get a DUI. The cop couldn't for the life of him figure out what the hell my problem was. I guess I didn't appear very intoxicated at that moment. The fucked up part is the next day I wasn't even sore from the accident. That's how loose my muscles were from that damn drug.

Anyway, I went back to "J's" and had to explain what happened. My ex-girlfriend tried to sleep with me anyway! FUCK! I couldn't catch a break. I turned her down. I couldn't bring myself to it. She still seemed disgusting to me. "J" kept fucking with me, "You sure you don't want a condom?" while the girl was begging me! I had to bitch at him after the third time he mentioned it.

What was really funny is that "J" came up to me that night with this baggie and was like "Can you put some of that powder in here so I can save it." "Sure," I replied. I scooped some in. An hour later he did it again! He ended up doing that three times. It was hilarious. He doesn't even remember that.

During one of these days, "J" and I went for a hike in the woods with some Kratom. We had an awesome time. A week later, I mentioned something about a vague memory, possibly a dream of walking up into the hollow around where I live. "J" was like, "Yeah, you were with me!"

It seemed like every day that went by after all of this someone was telling me something else that happened that I had no fucking idea ever existed. A complete week of my life washed away as if I slept through it, but I don't ever remember sleeping!


Credits:

My girlfriend came back to "M's" house to get drugs with "An" with her pants undone and they were giggling with each other while she was trying to put "An's" belt back on after they got kicked out of "An's" Uncle's house for having sex. My girlfriend is not bisexual.

She also went to her Mother's house one day drunk as hell, still blacked out and stole her Brother's truck to go to a party. She can't drive a standard. Truck in the woods. Things ran over. Vehicle damaged. She remembered nothing of this when she spoke with her Mom about it after she snapped out of the blackout. I'm not even sure she even believes it really happened.

"An," "Je's" girl got arrested, and he was in court to see her. This was 6 days after she had taken any of the drug, and he said she was so out of it that she didn't even recognize her own Mother.

"Je" couldn't deal with the fact that his girl had slept with mine as well as prostituted herself, so he ended up in jail again on drug charges. The bounty hunters from WV came and got him on a warrant. When he got out, he informed me that he was in the same pod that we were in and some of the same people were there. I guess the reason the big dude was so pissed off at me was because I was slamming the phone for some reason or another. The guy was like, "Man, that's my only connection to the outside world!" And "Je," the guy was pissed at him because we lost a game of cards and he was supposed to give up his breakfast and didn't. I don't remember playing cards.

Seriously though, picture that. Two dudes from out of state come into this jail pod and act like they run the place when there are people there serving year long sentences. My God.

"G," the guy who grabbed up his girl, lost his girl, and got arrested. He is banned from the apartment complex.

"J" was calling people yelling, "Praise Mother Russia!" Phenazepam is a Russian benzodiazepine for those that don't know. However, for the most part, "J" and his girlfriend were the only two that stayed at home away from the drama but still suffer severe memory loss from that horrific week.


The End:

My girlfriend and I have worked things out. She is no longer on the streets. She is very ashamed of everything that she did, and I have forgiven her due to circumstance.

All I can say to end this is, if you do not have an appropriate scale, DO NOT experiment with pharmaceutical grade benzodiazepine powders, at least ones as potent as alprazolam (Xanax). This is an account of a MASSIVE overdose. I would not be alive today if benzodiazepines affected the GABA receptors the same way that barbiturates do. I am still lucky to be alive due to all the other drugs (including other benzodiazepines that weren't mentioned) that I ingested during this mess.

[keeyn]

why cant any swiys find it in pill form, after all swiys dont encounter diazepam and alprazolam in powder form...... why is this one discussed almost exclusively in powder

i ask because swim dosnt want to buy powder, he wants it in pill form

[keeyn]

also, is this substance available over the counter in russia or any other baltic countries, swim would like to know

[wearestardust]

Originally Posted by keeyn

why cant any swiys find it in pill form, after all swiys dont encounter diazepam and alprazolam in powder form...... why is this one discussed almost exclusively in powder

i ask because swim dosnt want to buy powder, he wants it in pill form

So find yourself a pharma manufacturer who will make up your tablets to your specification, emboss with your logo, colour, score, and blister-pack and even box if you like; in the case of phenazepam that will cost you about ten times as much as the substance itself!
And who says you never buy diazepam or alprazolam in powder form? Why the hell not? It is so much cheaper. Though in the USA powders cost a fortune for some reason. GO TO CHINA!
I have already said a bit on this thread - corrected the formula, the solubility issue, the dosage issue and a couple of other things as well.
'Insanely cheap' someone said. Yup; it's about one fifth of the price of diazepam, which is a lot more than a fifth weaker. There is to my knowledge only one BZD that is WEAKER than diazepam, and that's chlordiazepoxide. SWIY is mixing up the actual strength and the subjective experience. I thought the subject was the actual chemical strength.
The closest relatives to this BZD (an it IS a true benzo, though you will often find it advertised under 'intermediates' - don't ask, I don't know why) are indeed lorazepam and oxazepam but there's the bromo- bit to consider, and that is the part of the molecule which gives phenazepam the effect of utter calm and serenity, and also probably the benzo-amnesia. SWIWAS loves bromazepam not just because it is the fastest-acting BZD of all, a medical necessity on his part, but also because it gives, like the much weaker diazepam, the subjective sedation with the quality of that calm and serenity I mentioned, which is not present in either alprazolam or clonazepam, useful and pleasant as they are.
However all I can do is to re-iterate that phenazepam is not accurately listed in any equivalence tables. SWIWAS is in the process of organising a brand which may be legally sold and possessed (but not in USA where it most certainly IS covered by the Analog Act see questioner above). Since the actual strength of phenaz is something along the lines of 1mg=10mg diazepam, the stories I am reading here would suggest that it has a wildly differing effect on different individuals. SWIM has settled upon a dosage of 4mg as the perfect one. Anything exceeding 5mg would produce a little too much and 10mg would be about the start of a psychosis. The Russian Formulary gives 10mg as the maximum daily dosage, even though there are no tablets above 1mg available. And to the person who was bemoaning the inability to find phenazepam tablets for sale anywhere, you are quite right. You will NOT, outside of a pharmacy in Russia, Ukraine or Belarus. Not even the manufacturers will export them. SWIVCTM has tried umpteen times. Wait until GA Pharma has the 1mg and 2mg tabs on the Western market. And the 5mg capsule which is for the starting point of treatment for BZD dependence. It has even been suggested that a combination pill containing a mg each of alp and phena would be the ultimate benzo, but that road will not be trod. And.... who said that alprazolam doesn't produce benzamnesia? I have now forgotten the entire point of this post because of all I have written and the fact that I have had my evening dose of my prescribed Xanax brand alp. There is only one generic available in the UK. By Genus Pharma. But NOBODY STOCKS IT! EVERY script I get is filled with Upjohn XANAX brand! Our largest chain, Boot's the Chemist, only stocks Xanax.
Watch this space I had something new to say on the phenazepam issue. Warning. Never take 2.25mg Xanax 20 minutes before beginning to type at Drugs-Forum. You will either start to gibber and haver or simply forget what gem you were going to surprise everybody with at the end of the post!
SORRY... I'll be back.
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[wearestardust]

No, it is only available on script in Russia. It is sold there in quite low-dosage tablets of 500mcg and 1mg strengths. Most phenazepam which is sold in powder form originates in China. Also, alprazolam and diazepam powders are pretty easy to get, assayed at around 98% purity. SWIWAS has bought these powders often, and made up capsules containing 40mg diazepam and 4mg alprazolam each. Those are pretty heavy capsules! It works out very cheap to source your alps and diazes this way. The mixture is rather excellent if you are looking for a single-capsule experience. In fact, SWIWAS finds these powders a lot easier to find than phenazepam.
Radio, isn't there a thread for long experience-type novellas like yours? And I simply can not see how only a single gramme of phena could last a week if it was being consumed at the rate, and by so many people, as your story suggests... most suppliers of phena powder will not sell any less than ten, or in some cases, a hundred grammes at a time.
Yes, phenazepam is quite a powerful benzo with quite a long half-life, but certainly no stronger than alprazolam. Legally speaking, it is prescription-only in Russia, but it does not appear to be illegal in the UK. The USA is a different matter because it would come under your Analog Act, therefore being illegal even though not specifically named in the law. At least, that's my understanding. There is very little difference chemically between phena and lorazepam and oxazepam.
WAS

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added information on phenazepam situation in russia

[Abrad]

SWIM just took ~1.25mg of phenzepam and finds it just a little stronger than 10mg diazepam and with a little more euphoria. He plans to take a little more later.
SWIM has a moderately high benzo tolerance.

[cosmicruler]

swim found the same thing Abrad^^!!
just bee careful as side effects of amnesia are not exaggerated!!!i no most benzos have similar side effects but phenaz seems worse for the amnesia.
apart from that swim thinks its just like diazapam.

[Abrad]

Well SWIM has now taken 7.25mg of phenazepam. He is still reasonably cogent though certainly not sober.

This dose was taken spread over the last few hours in 1.25mg increments.

He would rate it as a very pleasant experience, relaxed yet not too sedating with some euphoria present.

I would like to reiterate that SWIM has a moderate benzo tolerance and that benzo naive users should be take far less, if any at all of this compound.

Edit:
Well a good 15hrs and a comfortable sleep after SWIMs last report he says he is still feeling very high. This was to be expected of course...

[0utrider]

does anyone you guys know have experience with w/d of phenazepam? anything special about it? or just "average" benzo w/d ?

[cosmicruler]

^^would imagine withdrawal similar to most benzos...but have def noticed amnesia as an unpleasant side effect and it has a looong half-life.

[Laudaphun]

If implemented properly, this sounds like it might be a good canidate for breaking a benzo dependancy. With that said, probably not much possibility of "proper" implementation unless in tablet form given it's high potency. SWIM has read enough about this particular benzo that he would not test it on his marmoset unless the marmoset happened to be in Russia or some other country where it was available in tablet form. To restate what has been said many times already in this thread, do not eye-ball this stuff. Benzos can be incredibily useful substances when used properly, however some of the worst things that have happened to SWIM's marmoset in the past have resulted from dosages of benzos sufficient enough to cause retrograde amnesia. As there seems to be a pattern between the use of the powder form of this particular benzo at purity of approximately 99.9% and retrograde amnesia SWIM would strongly caution against experimentation with this substance unless SWIY are a professional (in every sense of the word), with professional grade equipment. When this thread began, a post by a mod summed up pretty much everything you need to know:

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

It could well be the DOx of the Benzodiazepine Family. I'm quite certain (being cynical helps) that we'll be hearing about casualties - either O.D. or extreme addiction - in the coming days. Considering it's price and lack of screening to purchase, it's a pending disaster waiting around the corner.

People with a propensity to say "Oh fuck it, a little more can't hurt!" - are STRONGLY advised not to seek this one out. I know several people off the top of my head who, if I found them having this chemical in quantity, I would grab it from and flush it down their toilet on the spot. That's assuming they weren't already addicted.

Keep an eye on your friends, people.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by Laudaphun

If implemented properly, this sounds like it might be a good canidate for breaking a benzo dependancy. With that said, probably not much possibility of "proper" implementation unless in tablet form given it's high potency.

A decent scale combined with an appropriate solvent and careful volumetric measurement would overcome this obstacle. Tenths of mg's could easily be measured. My buddy Eddie's bit of this stuff is currently considered for collection purposes only, but if he were to use it, that's how he would do it.

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Good point, SWIM wasn't thinking about the few responsible SWIM's out there

[cosmicruler]

Originally Posted by radiometer

A decent scale combined with an appropriate solvent and careful volumetric measurement would overcome this obstacle. Tenths of mg's could easily be measured. My buddy Eddie's bit of this stuff is currently considered for collection purposes only, but if he were to use it, that's how he would do it.

did swim not read this post before trying!

[Laudaphun]

Originally Posted by radiometer

A decent scale combined with an appropriate solvent and careful volumetric measurement would overcome this obstacle. Tenths of mg's could easily be measured. My buddy Eddie's bit of this stuff is currently considered for collection purposes only, but if he were to use it, that's how he would do it.

SWIM recant's her statement about the requirement for tablet-form in the event such a scenario were to occur. A marmoset thoughtful enough and capable of doing so would be a good candidate for experimentation, so long as an impending very nasty habit was not looming overhead.

[groovstarr]

Hi everyone, my bus driver tried spotting a tiny amount but failed. He thought it would be 1mg. He basically slept for 3 days. Called in sick for work etc each day. Just too comfy for life. He'd wake up, watch some football, eat go back to sleep and so on. So much sleep in 3 days but he felt fine during it. He obviously was foolish in not using accurate scales (his scales are of a cheap variety and measure up to 10mg).

He understands that dissolving it in a high grade alcohol would work but coming across 90% grade pure alcohol is difficult (He heard 40% Vodka is not enough). He was wondering if Isopropyl alcohol would work for meassuring out doses? If anyone has knowledge on Isopropyl alcohol and it being able to melt the phenezapam and also its toxicicolgy remembering only 0.5 - 1ml doses would be ingested.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by groovstarr

He understands that dissolving it in a high grade alcohol would work but coming across 90% grade pure alcohol is difficult (He heard 40% Vodka is not enough).

An off-license near where I live used to sell small bottles of Polish (I think) "vodka" that was around 80% or something absurd. Chances are you can find some in London if you ask around a few shops.

[Abrad]

SWIM has developed a considerable tolerance to this compound. 20mg+
I urge caution....

[zera]

Uhhaf

[zera]

Originally Posted by zera

Uhhaf

This post was made by swim a couple of hours into what turned into a 3+ day blackout.

Bottom line is don't fuck around with this drug unless you have a very accurate way to measure it and potentially 60+ hours of no real responsibility. Swim ended up going to work completely blacked out, looking like a zombie for two days in a row. He ended up going to the hospital, at the urging of friends who had no idea what was wrong with him. He scared the shit out of his family and girlfriend who thought he had a brain tumor or stroke or something else horrible. He also was scared as shit because when he came out of the blackout he couldn't think straight or remember anything, especially not that he was high and the reason he was in the hospital

He would have just been fine if he had someone who knew what he was doing and could have just kept him home until he sobered up. Luckily no one at the hospital or work discovered the true reason swim was so messed up (but his family did when they went to his apartment and discovered the baggie and scale), so it just turned into one long, funny story for swim (one long, funny story accompanied by $25,000+ in hospital bills, thank God he had good health insurance from work).

I would post more of swims details, but he doesn't want anyone he knows who doesn't know the cause of his zombie-like state seeing it and linking it back to him. Some of his behavior while high was pretty hilarious though, and its a funny story in retrospect but only because swim got very very lucky and dodged a couple of bullets (like not losing his job, having an amazingly understandable girlfriend, having very good health insurance, not getting killed walking to/from work by traffic, etc.)

Reputation Comments on this post:

	valuable warning for this potentially dangerous substance, nothing beats experience
	Thanks for the warning!

[0utrider]

nice post though somehow i cant rate you