Drug info - Gabapentin (Neurontin)

[Broshious]

Erowid has a fair number of reports on Gabapentin.

[cannedheat1985]

Originally Posted by heretic.ape.

First recommendation: read the rules paying special attention to those regarding self incrimination please.
Since swiy seems rather set on taking them I will withold my second recommendation.
Third recommendation: study more about them before taking them, hold off a day or two until swiy knows more about them than what he read on (ugh) wikipedia.
Be safe
h.a.

my mistake. swim is interested. dont hold back info benificial to swim if possible. swim pays taxes and swim isnt too worried about what he can and cant do. this is america.

[Neugtivr62k7]

Too much Gababpentin like I took 5,000 to 8,000 at bedtime way over what I was prescribed will give you the worst muscle aches and hip aches you could ever have. My rule of thumb was take as many as you can fit in your mouth. It wears off but you can't walk until it does.

[Heretic.Ape.]

^^ famous last words before ending up getting sodomized by neo-nazis in a cage. Civil liberties do not apply to drug users. Write that down.
h.a.

[~lostgurl~]

Originally Posted by cannedheat1985

SWIM landed a bag of them Gabapentin 600mg i belive. What do they do. Are they any fun. Maybe just to relax, or to help with speed comedowns? I have no idea. SWIM has not touched them yet. Any thoughts? Elaborate.

Gabapentin is a very effective drug for Restless Legs Syndrome, so if SWIY gets restless legs when coming off amphetamines (As SWIM does) then using Gabapentin may be beneficial. A small percentage of people using this drug have found it to be addictive so it should be taken with care.

[DaWeez]

Ok here is my Erowid report: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=55372

I know I am a new member and people may or may not believe that it is mine, but I am also a respected member of another drug community, some who may even go here.

Anywho, the report basically susbtitutes my post about Neurontin

[Jatelka]

^^^ Oh, and you appear to be Underage! Over 18's only please: Do come back then.

So in the quest for SWIM to stop taking Ativan for treatment of Insomnia, his doc has so far tried an SSRI (Celexa) which was horrible and Clonidine, which made SWIM physically tired, but did not put his mind at ease enough to help with sleep. SWIM’s Doc not wants to try Gabapentin, is anyone taking this for insomnia? Does it help? It seems like a weird drug that has many uses.

[jesusfreak666er]

gapapentin is not a good medication for insomnia, neither is clonidine, or an ssri..... swim might consider finding a better doctor. Gapapentin is a medication who's manufacturors have whored themselves out to the fda so that it could be approved for millions of uses which most of them it doesnt even successfully treat. From spasms to bi polar they'd like you to think it does it all. Swim finds it simply not sedating enough to be a good sleep aid, maybe consider asking about lunestra or ambian. The only thing swim could imagine swiys doctor taking you from a weak benzo like ativan and moving siwy onto a laundry list of poor choices would be abuse problems. Did swims doctor want to pursue a less addictive or abusable sleep aid, if not swim couldnt understand his/her choices

SWIM was actually the one who wanted to get away from it, and suggested to his doc that he try other things, it works great even at low (1 mg) doses but it is too dependant forming. But on another note SWIM does not think his doc would have continued to prescribe it anyway, as she has mentioned many times that it is only a short term solution and that SWIM can’t stay on it for long. So one way or another, the Ativan is going to go away. SWIM would love to try ambient or lunesta, but his doc is against those drugs for whatever reason. SWIM thinks you are right about finding someone else.

[BobTheGreat]

whoops swim forgot about this thread.

medically: swim found GP semi-useful( he was on 900mg twice daily before he switched meds). Swim found the effective dose made him too tired too be useful. He has since switched to xanax and now Klonopin which works much better. Swim still uses a low dose in combination since he has a stockpile which seems to make the kpins more effective when his anxiety is really bad.

Recreationally swim has found GP makes swim a very happy drunk when mixed with beer. He usually takes about 600-900 mg before going out drinking. He is very relaxed and social after a couple beers and can control the drunkenness(is that even a word?) much more easily than benzos ie he remembers the whole night rather than just the first half. hope this helps.

damn it cant edit. medically by low dose he means ~600mg.

He also tried sniffing the stuff after breaking open a capsule. He says it burned a little and provided a small rush. overall not worth it.

Also to anyone who has tried kava: the feeling is very similar esspecially at higher dosing(3000+mgs)

[Lehendakari]

After experimenting further into GP SWIM now thinks GP is not recreative at all. It has psychoactive effects, but these are just a weird slow-head sensation. Not pleasant, not unpleasant, just a weird feeling of brain fog.

He now thinks his previous good experiences were just he wanting it to do something good. He gave up after 20+ trials with different doses.

Medically, it doesn't seem to reduce too much social anxiety, but swims sleeps rather well when on it.

[chrisn]

A report was recently posted at Erowid that greatly interested me: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=65123

This person chalks up the effects mostly to the Gabapentin, but I haven't heard of others getting open and closed eye visuals, so maybe the seroquel had an unusual synergy? Any others gotten effects like the ones in this report?

[BobTheGreat]

Originally Posted by chrisn

A report was recently posted at Erowid that greatly interested me: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=65123

This person chalks up the effects mostly to the Gabapentin, but I haven't heard of others getting open and closed eye visuals, so maybe the seroquel had an unusual synergy? Any others gotten effects like the ones in this report?

skimmed the report but most likely the seroquel was resposible for the visuals since it is listed as one of the possible side effects esspecially at 200mgs assuming it was his first day on it as it sounds. GP has a light action on the gaba receptors(meaning increased drowsiness) so it could very well have helped things along.

Here are SWIM’s updates so far. First time trying it he took 300mg and drank three beers, this made SWIM feel very sedated and he could not wait to go to bed, when he did he had no problem falling asleep, Un-like he normally does. It should also be noted that drinking three beers alone will not help SWIM fall asleep.

Next day SWIM took 200mg before bedtime, with no beers. SWIM had problems getting to sleep, it felt like he was half awake half asleep (much like a 100mg dose of Diphenhydramine). SWIM went to bed at 10 PM, but thinks he didn’t fall asleep until around 1 AM, he then awoke again at 3:30 AM and tossed and turned until about 4:30-5:00 AM, this is normal for SWIM when sleeping with no meds, so it seems that the Gabapentin had no effect here.

Day three SWIM decided to take 600mg and go out for a few drinks, he only had one beer and a stiff mixed drink. He is now home and feels pretty relaxed, more buzzed than normal off of just a two drinks, but it certainly did not make him social, pretty much the opposite. SWIM decided to take another 100mg pill just now before he goes to bed at 11PM.Will report back how the sleep was, but so far in my very limited trial, it seems to help when mixed with just a few drinks, but alone does not do much for SWIM.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by smithdogg1

Here are SWIM’s updates so far. First time trying it he took 300mg and drank three beers, this made SWIM feel very sedated and he could not wait to go to bed, when he did he had no problem falling asleep, Un-like he normally does. It should also be noted that drinking three beers alone will not help SWIM fall asleep.

Next day SWIM took 200mg before bedtime, with no beers. SWIM had problems getting to sleep, it felt like he was half awake half asleep (much like a 100mg dose of Diphenhydramine). SWIM went to bed at 10 PM, but thinks he didn’t fall asleep until around 1 AM, he then awoke again at 3:30 AM and tossed and turned until about 4:30-5:00 AM, this is normal for SWIM when sleeping with no meds, so it seems that the Gabapentin had no effect here.

Day three SWIM decided to take 600mg and go out for a few drinks, he only had one beer and a stiff mixed drink. He is now home and feels pretty relaxed, more buzzed than normal off of just a two drinks, but it certainly did not make him social, pretty much the opposite. SWIM decided to take another 100mg pill just now before he goes to bed at 11PM.Will report back how the sleep was, but so far in my very limited trial, it seems to help when mixed with just a few drinks, but alone does not do much for SWIM.

SWIM needed to hit 1600mg before he got anything special.

[BobTheGreat]

Smith,

100mgs of GP is really, really small dose. Is this what swiy was prescribed?
Also GP sucks as a treatment for insomnia. Swim has taken 5g+ in a night and not felt any drowsier than a couple mgs of xanax.

Swim suffers from insomina and found that a full day of industrial work and a low dose of trazodone(75mg) worked well.

Im assuming swiy doc wont prescribe abient or lunesta because they have short half lifes. Ativan has a longer half life meaning it is potentally less addicitve(It stays in ones system longer giving a slow come down. Hence ones body doesnt send signals to re-up ie addiction)

A couple of nonaddictive options are Ramelteon(rozerem) and trazodone. As far as swim knows these can be taken as long as necessary.

ambient or lunesta might be a good option. If swiy has trouble staying asleep as well, Ambient CR would be the best choice of these three.

Also does swiy get much exercise? Like I said before my labrat found a full day of work helped a lot. Swiy might want to consider taking a nice evening jog(not too late though or swiy's body will still be metabolically active from the exercise making falling asleep even harder.) Plus swiy gets the added bonus of being healthier.

Originally Posted by BobTheGreat

Smith,

100mgs of GP is really, really small dose. Is this what swiy was prescribed?
Also GP sucks as a treatment for insomnia. Swim has taken 5g+ in a night and not felt any drowsier than a couple mgs of xanax.

Swim suffers from insomina and found that a full day of industrial work and a low dose of trazodone(75mg) worked well.

Im assuming swiy doc wont prescribe abient or lunesta because they have short half lifes. Ativan has a longer half life meaning it is potentally less addicitve(It stays in ones system longer giving a slow come down. Hence ones body doesnt send signals to re-up ie addiction)

A couple of nonaddictive options are Ramelteon(rozerem) and trazodone. As far as swim knows these can be taken as long as necessary.

ambient or lunesta might be a good option. If swiy has trouble staying asleep as well, Ambient CR would be the best choice of these three.

Also does swiy get much exercise? Like I said before my labrat found a full day of work helped a lot. Swiy might want to consider taking a nice evening jog(not too late though or swiy's body will still be metabolically active from the exercise making falling asleep even harder.) Plus swiy gets the added bonus of being healthier.

Yes this is what SWIM is prescribed, he has not been even bothering with it, he is just back to taking 1mg of Ativan on nights when he cannot sleep. And yes SWIMs doc is against Ambien and Lunesta, although SWIM would love to try them. As far as exercise, SWIM used to work out hard three times a week and found it did help some nights, but like you mentioned could also make things worse. With SWIMs new job he is home too late to go to the gym which sucks, but SWIM does work a long day, getting up a 6:30 AM and getting home at 6:30 PM (this is the commute included) so he is usually physically tired, but his mind is not

[Jatelka]

BobTheGreat: Trazodone produces a withdrawal syndome, so really can't be described as "non-addictive"

(see here... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...3&postcount=51)

[BobTheGreat]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

BobTheGreat: Trazodone produces a withdrawal syndome, so really can't be described as "non-addictive"

(see here... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...&postcount=51)

My bad. I think the word I was looking for was non-abusable.


Random thought: Is it possible swiOP has adhd? Swim and his step bro both have it and have the same problem with sleeping. Swim is trying to find a solution but having trouble finding a good doc.

smith,

Since youre interested in ambien and luensta, Ill assume swiy has good insurance. Ask swiy doc about roserem or like i said before find a new doc if swiy really wants one of the others.

Some otc suppliments that might help are melatonin, GABA, phenibut, and 5htp.

Swim finds that watching a couple of hours of mindless TV(Futurama, simpsons, scrubs, late nite with conan, just nothing that simulates thinking) before bed helps him a lot and staying away from stimulates(cigs, coffee) late at night.

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Thanks for the helpfull comments.

[blackirish]

canned heat may have rights but it's best if you can defend them yourself. according to the product monograph 4% of patients experienced euphoria. so either you are lucky or not.

[BobTheGreat]

I was asked in a rating where I got the Gabapentin info so the site for this is pfizer's website. I think it was for the actual gabapentin website for pfiezer. I look toworrow but its new years eve and swim is half in the bag.

[squaliesquad]

SWIM was recently prescribed Gabapentin (Neurontin) as an alternative to Clonazepam (Klonopin) and was wondering what a good dosage is to take to try it recreationally, and what's the best way to take it. SWIM has no tolerance to it and has it in capsules and the booklet he got from the pharmacy said it can be taken whole or the contents of the capsules can be dissolved in juice or over soft foods (ie applesauce) immediately before swallowing.

basically SWIM wants to know the dosage (he's guessing around 1800 from other reports) and if it's better to take the capsules whole or to put the powder in a juice, or maybe soda if that would work since he heard that helps with the absorption.


SWIM has done some research (read reports on erowid and did a search on this godsend of a forum) on the drug but is open to any information or advice, and thanks anyone who replies in advance.

[squaliesquad]

SWIM just realized there's no edit button but apologizes if this is not the correct forum for this topic.

[Nagognog2]

It is in the correct forum. The drug is a wild card that doesn't quite fit anywhere else - so this is a good home for your query.