Drug info - Bitter Blotters: LSD or not?

[lovelyjubbly]

SWIM recently came across some paper that is a little weird. It's the standard white unperfed artists paper that alot of doses are coming on these days, standard size etc. The only thing that really threw SWIM is the very bitter taste, unlike any dose SWIM has ever eaten. Usually its a little bitter, a bit metallic, or even nothing at all, but this was quite something and SWIMs associates commented.

The effects appeared normal at first glance, having tripped a good number of times. First light effects noted at about 45min to 1hr, full peak in effect at about 2hrs. The peak with tremendous time distortion lasted the familar 4 or so hours, with things ramping downwards after that. SWIM is just worried this is some research chem, namely DOx. Feeling mostly down but still experiencing the psychedelic twinge for a good 12 hours after midnight (dosing at noon the previous day), although SWIM was smoking copious amounts of pot. SWIM and his associates did not note any particular speedy, amped feeling, the majority of the day was spent laying about.

Thoughts?

[Pinkavvy]

Sounds like DOI

[grandbaby]

Unless you have more of the same there's probably no way to tell. If you have more blotters left over, you can use Ehrlich's Reagent to test for LSD & other tryptamines, or something like Marquis to test for DOx substances & others. Otherwise it's a guessing game only; the effects you described could be any number of chems.

[Nagognog2]

The time-distortion, along with the bitter taste, does point in the direction of DOI. But without testing, of course we are only able to speculate.

[trip.more]

It's a do* compound most likely but you can never really be sure which one.When swim takes them it takes 1 1/2 to 4 hours just to come up.

[fatal]

this needs to be said again to prevent a misunderstanding... just because you come up in the first hour does not make it LSD. DOC will hit you faster than you would gather from reading what people say about several hour come ups. its not true. it can hit you hard in a half hour under the right circumstances. here is a new idea. the rule of thumb from now on is to just go ahead and assume that any paper you find is probably not acid and any liquid you find is definitely not acid. just assume it is fake. that seems the best way these days. at least the fake blotters dont seem to be causing to much in the way of commotion because there sure seems to be a lot of them.

Reputation Comments on this post:

so true. blotter does not = lsd and DOC has effected SWIM in 20 minutes. it was going strong too!

[Toltec]

I miss the 70's where life was slower and acid was acid.
As Fatal said >for now on; one should just go ahead and assume that any paper you find is probably not acid

[tone3721]

op? Part of this discussion was how to tell if it is real lsd. Their are only a few ways to truly know, this is one of them. afaik 1. reagent tests, 2. a spectrometer, 3. put it down yourself. Most anything to do with lsd is not attainable for most, so what is your point?


BUS CAME BY I GOT ON

[Psych0naut]

SWIM has has something similar as well yesterday evening.
He dropped one papertrip with a friend, the papertrips where just plain blue, no blotter art on it.
SWIMs friend saw his first effects after half an hour, he saw 2 lamps hanging on the sealing move towards eacht other.
He also saw the carpet move away to the right and a red lamp throwing out green worm shaped things.
SWIM only had a big grim on his face the first hour and did notice a slight alternation of his vision, but nothing moving or changing yet.
SWIM and his friend smoked some weed with his bong with 30 minute intervals which seemed to boost the effects a tiny bit more for SWIM.
After one and a half hour SWIM still didn't see much and SWIMs friend was tired and wanted to go to bed, but SWIM persisted that he stayed some longer because the weren't even on the plateau yet.
SWIM was also pretty tired, it made SWIM wonder if the papertrips were really LSD because of the lack of stimulation, something SWIM normally has from LSD, and the very slow come-up and the bitter taste.
SWIM and his friend then went to bed and put the lights out.
Shortly after SWIMs mind began to race and a dark feeling was felt in the room, and SWIM felt like his brain was controlled by it and he started to get pretty uncomfortable.
He remembered that he just had to let go and don't struggle against it as it would only make it worse, so SWIM just tried to relax.
It didn't work and SWIM was getting more afraid, and started to make some weird noizes trying to fight the dark and sinister feeling that possesed him.
The friend laying in the bed next to him heard SWIM and asked what he was doing, and SWIM told him he wasn't alright, which he kep repeating for a while.
SWIMs friend then told him he was afraid as well, and SWIM asked him to come over to his bed which he did, SWIMs friend was breathing very heavy of fear.
A couple minutes later SWIM rememberd that he took 2 Remerons and a bunch of 3 mg melatonine with him for on the come down.
SWIM told it to his friend that they should make a run for it and grab the remeron and melatonine and retreat to their bed and take it their so they would calm down.
It worked great and probaply 5 minutes later they were sleeping, and SWIM woke up the next morning while his friend was cleening up the apartment.
SWIM did't have any bad feelings from the evening before, but he was wondering himself what went wrong the evening before and why it turned out like that.

[Nagognog2]

That also sounds like DOI from it's "The Fear" effect. Such seems to be rather common with this particular molecule. Could be that DOI is close to being a specific in triggering the "Fight or Flight" instinct in the two-legged animals.

People who put this out without proper marking are, in my opinion, like rugs: They should be taken out back now and then and given a good beating.

Thanks for the report.

[Psych0naut]

SWIM read the DOI entry from PIKHAL, and saw at the different dosages tested by Dr. Shulgin that he also had an unpleasant feeling with some of the experiments.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 0.6 mg) There was a nice spacey light-headedness for a few hours, and time seemed to move quite slowly. Then a generic sadness came over me, as I reminisced about earlier days (recalling pleasures now gone) and wondered if I would be allowed to be here on the Farm when I am old and not important. There is so much to be done, and I cannot do it all, and no one else cares. My mood became present-day and healthy by about the seventh hour.
(with 1.6 mg) The general nature of the experience was depressing, with a sad view of life. There was no way I could connect with my emotions. Even my sadness was vague. At about the ninth hour I decided that enough was enough, and this strangely disappointing about-plus-two was aborted with 125 micrograms of LSD. The emotions became present and living within a half hour. I was greatly relieved. The erotic was not a mechanical attempt but a deeply involved feeling with an archetype of orgasm easily available. It was shaped like a flower, richly colored, with an unusual "S" shape to it. This was a lovely end to a difficult day.
(with 3.0 mg) This is a clear, clean psychedelic. The eyes-closed imagery is excellent, with clearly delineated patterns, pictures, and colors. Perfect for an artist, and next time I'll devote some time to painting. Total ease for the body, but no help for my smoking problem. I still want to smoke. And at sixteen hours into this I am still at 1.5+ but I'll try to go to bed anyway, and sleep.
(with 3.5 mg) I was at a full crashing +++ for about three or four hours. There was none of the LSD sparkle, but there were moments of `light-headedness' where one could move sideways with reality. I could leave where I was right over there, and come over here and get a strange but authentic view of where the `there' was that I had left. It would be out-of-body, except that the body came over here with me rather than staying there. This doesn't make sense now, but it sure did then. There was no trace of body impact, and I slept late that evening, but with some guardedness due to the intense imagery. This was no more intense than with 3.0 milligrams, but it was a little bit more to the unreal side.
(with 1.0 mg of the "R" isomer) There was a clear ++ from the second to the eighth hour, but somehow there was not quite the elegance or the push of the racemate. I was sensible, and managed to do several technical chores in a reasonable way. Easy sleep at 15 hours into it.
(with 2.3 mg of the "R" isomer) The water solution of the hydrochloride salt has a slightly sweetish taste! I was at a +++ without question, but there was a slight down mood towards the end. And it lasted a really long time; I was distinctly aware of residual stuff going on, well into the next day.
(with 6.3 mg of the "S" isomer) I was at a benign one-and-a-half plus at about two hours, and finally flattened out at a ++. Would I double this dose? Probably not, but half again (to 9 or 10 milligrams) would feel safe for a plus 3. By evening I was near enough baseline to drive into town for a social obligation, but even when trying to sleep later that night there was some residue of imagery; remarkably, it was all in slow motion. The fantasies were slow-paced and sluggish. It would have been interesting to have explored eyes-closed during the day.

[IntrepidTraveler]

Are they definitely not LSD? Or have some SWIYs encountered blitter tasting hits that were definitely LSD?

[Nagognog2]

Unless containing a DOx chemical, there would be no other reason for blotter to have a bitter taste. LSD-25, in pure form, has a VERY SLIGHT bitterish taste. But one is not likely to ever encounter a dose of LSD large enough for this to be perceived (1,000mcg+). So chances are any bitter-tasting blotter is actually a DOx chemical.

[mr. strawberry]

I took a chemestry class in high school and i remember this exparement we did with this strip of paper (which ironicly looked like an uncut 5 strip of blotter) anyway, we put it on our toungue and some people could taste the bitterness and others couldnt. The teacher said that some people have that trait and others didnt. swim has always tasted a bitterness on every blotter swim can remember doing and figured it was like that chemistry experiment. some of swims friends tasted the bitterness some didnt. I dont recall swim ever telling me that any of them were overly bitter though.

[Nagognog2]

A DOx is unmistakably bitter. Not mild - YUCK! Everyone would notice.

[Pinkavvy]

strawberry, good looking out. more people should use the forum search engine. lsd test kits can be found pretty easily, as can DOx substances as in this case. :P

If the blotter is bitter it could be a DOx substance. Swip has noticed that many blotters contain 1mg or less of DOx, so if it's really bitter it's likely DOI which is the MOST bitter of the DOx substances. Swip has found that small ammounts of DOC and DOM have little bitter taste, sometimes unnoticable, where as DOI and DOB are very bitter and hard to miss.

[tayo]

Maybe it was BR-DFLY

[TitusCrow]

I would definitely say by how youve described the taste it was a DOx chemical. Ive run into those a few times, terrible trips. I noticed the liquid wasnt acid once i put it in my mouth, OH and the 4 hour come-up.

Terrible experiences with that stuff.

Reputation Comments on this post:

No self-incrimination please

[terrordemon]

so swim just put 2 tabs in his mouth and tasted bitterness

i've been worried about this coming up to this day, so i guess it COULD be mental? but i kinda doubt it

is there any way its not a DOB or DOM?

[fnord]

it could be many things,my friends have never noticed a bitter taste from lsd,probly a rc of some sort,dom dob amt etc etc etc.my good buddy wishes he could go out and buy lsd and later find out it was something that lasted 16+ hours!! lucky fellow if you ask me,others would disagree with me though.

[redpoppy]

SWIM never thougth aboutteh taste of LSD until it was hammered into SWIM thatthere is none form websites such as these. But SWIM has most defitely noticed a bitter taste to liquid in somewhat recent times. SWIM was told thsi was because alcohol was used to dilute teh crystal into liquid. Maybe this is a plausible reason? Alcohol is bitter afterall.

[KBLSD]

real lsd shouldnt taste the best swim has had was always taste and a very good trip he hates fucking rc's

[fnord]

my best gusse is if it had a bitter taste it wasent lsd,that dosent mean that it might not feel like lsd,and the user would have one hell of a time,my friend some times would prefer a nice rc over lsd anyday!!

[redpoppy]

Originally Posted by fnord

my best gusse is if it had a bitter taste it wasent lsd,that dosent mean that it might not feel like lsd,and the user would have one hell of a time,my friend some times would prefer a nice rc over lsd anyday!!

BUt isn't alcohol used to break the crystal to liquid?

[fnord]

yea but that alcohol wouldent still be on the paper,the only time youd taste it is with liquid or paper that was dosed under 20 mins ago,even then i dont think youd taste it on the paper.