Health - Psychedelics and back problems

[dr ACE]

you could try detoxing by fasting and drining lots of water,yoga is supposed to be good for your internal organs aswell

[Solipsis]

Personally I think back pains are a result of Kundalini energy. SWIM encountered it when he started doing acid, it seemed in the beginning he didn't know how to channel it, and it cramped him up. Now, using meditation let's this energy flow freely and deepens SWIMs trip as a direct result.
Now hear me: I'm a scientist and didn't use to believe in these kinds of terms but these phenomenon are just something that are too complex too understand scientifically yet, you'll just have to not be bothered with it and let SWIY experience it for him- or herself and work with it as it appears...

[gizmokata]

swim has recently indulged into some psychedelics and have found the same type of problems you are talking about. On LSD swim experienced pretty minor back problems. swim was laying on the floor for awhile which was thought to be the problem that night but recently swim has taken 2c-b at a concert and had the same back problems. It isn't terrible pain though but it's unformfortable. Swim has only gotten this from lsd and 2c-b so far and had absolutely no pain on mushrooms. swims friend also complained about jaw tension and an intense headache on 2c-b.

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Thank you for posting swiys experience

[imyourlittlebare]

most pain isnt the placebo effect. in fact. placebo comes from latin word to please. it has to do with using medicine that shouldnt make you feel better. but it actually does through endorphin action. lsd effects serotonin. If one is predisposed to certain pain syndromes that are certainly painful and real, but are neurological in origin, than this is the explanation. tricyclic antidepressants are mainly used for this. but 5htp can be tried first. this may explain. pharmocology is a bitch. its so complex.

[Xanthippus]

SWIM reports rather the opposite effect; psychedelics give him impeccable, bullet straight, positive posture where in everyday life it is very poor.

[EntheogenicTruth]

swim had the same problem one day at a psychedelic party. he had indulged in about 3-4 tabs of lsd and 10mgs of 2c-e. he found it to be an uncomfortable but not intolerable back pain in his lower back. he also found a solution: have someone crack your back. if you have ever had someone do this to you while on psychedelics it can be quite intense and enjoyable. simply having this done gave swim the stamina to dance for about 24 hours without sleep

Peace

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by EntheogenicTruth

swim had the same problem one day at a psychedelic party. he had indulged in about 3-4 tabs of lsd and 10mgs of 2c-e.

This sounds like a combo that would give more than back pain, more a royal headache and uber-trip.

Swim has noticed 2c-i, 5-meo-mipt (doses above 10mg) and 2c-t-7 have back issues. more 2c-t-7 than the others.

Back problems can be alleviated by taking a warm bath... thats swims opinion... and plus, you've not felt amazing till you've been in a hot tub watching fireworks under the infuence of 8mg DOM. (drools) those were the days.

[nightless]

I have a back problem in the lower back. The pain were massively worsened those times I took psychoactive drugs that had psychedelic serotonine-agonism of any sort, and several days after slowly fading back to its normal pain-level.

This was a serious issue for me and made me stop experimenting with those kinds of drugs. The thought of those drugs themselves causing the back-problem is occuring to me also because I do not clearly remember when they started.

All I know is I am certain they were intensified by theese kind of drugs, and it that it seems neither be a placebo nor tension, but effects from the drugs themselves somehow.

I am puzzled.

[Songcycle67]

Due to the nature of psychedelics, any problems (physical or mental) are going to be intensified. SWIM has never used any phenethylamines besides DOM and Mescaline, so he doesn't know if these necessarily *cause* pain (especially in people with pre-existing conditions such as SWIY's) or carry a bodyload that results in pain. SWIM takes LSD on regular occasion, however, and his long-standing back pain is always magnified threefold or so. He has found that the best thing to do is develop a regimen for easing the pain--avoiding opiates or benzos. The heating pad and the warm bath are both excellent solutions, but they can obviously limit your activity.

SWIM finds that concentrating on the pain itself, getting "inside" of it, results in a significant reduction as, with concentration, the pain becomes more of an "abstract" feeling.

LSD (and I think a few phenethylamines) is a noted pain-killer--with LSD killing pain for upwards of 97 hours in some people--at least in the clinical research done with LSD and terminal cancer patients. Whether this pain reduction was a result of the ecstasy and displacement the patients felt or actual chemical effects on pain is, of course, unknown.

Whatever the case; SWIM is with SWIY, buddy. Back problems are the worst.

Happy trails.

[Metomni]

Ever see those films from the 1960's of the Hippies on LSD doing dances? Those weren't dances, per se. That was Tai Chi. A form of martial arts. Learn it. It works.

Does anyone know of a guide to learning forms and such which will be accurately representative of traditional Tai Chi? I am not interested in some Americanized version or anything like that, I want to be sure I'm learning it the way it was meant to be done.

Thanks.

[Songcycle67]

Originally Posted by Metomni

Does anyone know of a guide to learning forms and such which will be accurately representative of traditional Tai Chi? I am not interested in some Americanized version or anything like that, I want to be sure I'm learning it the way it was meant to be done.

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WA4V5RE8As

this should get you started, there are lots of good videos on youtube with specific techniques.

[Metomni]

While that is much appreciated, I was more hoping to get a written guide. I do learn best by seeing it done, but I'd really like to read in depth about it and the different forms before trying to do it. I searched the obvious basic sites and found background information, but no real guide to actually starting the art.

[Songcycle67]

Check your local library. These books are obscure even in printed form, but especially online. I don't know if there are any particularly good books that cover the various poses and movements or I would be more specific.

Most people take lessons with an instructor, but t'ai chi has become the yoga of the 21st century it seems so there should be lots of books out there--unfortunately most of them are just trying to profit from its popularity.

[nightless]

I have consulted a physician who examined my back and interviewed me.
He concluded that my back pains were due to mental stress and weakening of the muscles from inactivity and lack of proper exercise.
I was suggested no medecin, and he in fact withdrew my previous muscle relaxants that a former physician prescribed.
Instead he adviced me to regularly swim for exercise, at least twice every week to strengthen the muscles in my back.
I trust him, he is an expert in orthopedics after all.

As for the drugs, I've been thinking and reading the new feedback in this thread.
It seems probable that drugs were acting as pain-killers in my own case, so that the back-pain were for some time relieved and I would perhaps sit or lie down in positions not good for my back which in fact worsened the problem.
When the pain-killing effect faded, the pain would of course come back magnified and worse.

Take care all.

nightless added 5 Minutes and 0 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by nightless

I have consulted a physician who examined my back and interviewed me.
He concluded that my back pains were due to mental stress and weakening of the muscles from inactivity and lack of proper exercise.
I was suggested no medecin, and he in fact withdrew my previous muscle relaxants that a former physician prescribed.
Instead he adviced me to regularly swim for exercise, at least twice every week to strengthen the muscles in my back.
I trust him, he is an expert in orthopedics after all.

As for the drugs, I've been thinking and reading the new feedback in this thread.
It seems probable that drugs were acting as pain-killers in my own case, so that the back-pain were for some time relieved and I would perhaps sit or lie down in positions not good for my back which in fact worsened the problem.
When the pain-killing effect faded, the pain would of course come back magnified and worse.

Take care all.

Oh, I forgot to mention, the mention of any administration of any drugs in my previous posts in this thread is of course fictional.

[Rhin]

SWIM wouldn't classify E as a psychedelic but when he did E he had back problems for days. Not knowing if it was directly caused by the E or if he did something while he was on the E to make his back hurt.