Health - Psychedelics and back problems

[trptamene]

SWIM has had back problems for a few years now & has found psychedelics a few times. He experimented with mushrooms & LSD with little body load, but has come across a few 2c's. The last two times SWIM has taken these chemicals he had pretty bad back problems (w/ 2ce @16 mg this back problem outweighed any good effects from the drug, w. 2ci @ 15mg (t=0) plus a 5mg bump (t=1.5hr) he had the same problems as well, but laid on his heating pad for a while and the effects of the drug were worth the discomfort). SWIM was curious if this is common for people w/ a bad back/other bodily injuries @ particularly w/ 2ci/2ce...as he does not recall these problems on tryptamines, but it could be that the condition worsened after the injestion of these tryptamines. He will soon get his hands on 2ct2 & 2ct7 and is interested to see if he has the same problem, He will also be getting some 4-ho-dmt (yes, synthetic psilocin) soon and will post about whether the problem is seen there as well. SWIM is also curious if others have experiences w/ similar problems and what kind of remedies/pre-trip precautions can be employed in order to decrease the body load. SWIM had a script for tramadol but never tried it along w/ psychedelics as the timings did not match @ he learned that the tramadol fucked up some very good rolls he apparantly had. SWIM may be able to aquire some vicoden and/or soma & may try those along w/ low doses of the 2c's to see how it works. If initial results go well he will cautiously increase the psychedelic dose and see if the problems subside. But SWIM may not be able to aquire these, so for now he is thinking he may just try some OTC pain meds (ibuprofen, naproxen, acetomenophen). Any body have any experiences with any of this? Anyone recommend a particularly OTC pain med over another? Anyone have any advice for SWIM in general?

Also, I am a newbie so I may have put this in the wrong place, if a mod could move me if I have done so that would be great. Input is much appreciated.

[enquirewithin]

Possibly SWIM is getting tense.

[svenghali]

SWIY experiments with a lot of RC's. They have unforseen consequences in taking them.
Have SWItrptamene go to a doctor, and neglect to tell the doctor about the RC/psychedelic usage, that's what SWIM would probably do.

[samadhi_smiles]

What is SWIY's physical shape like? Is he in or out of shape would you say? If he's in relatively bad shape, I would suggest he get himself into shape (through cardio) before exploring psychedelics (at least at higher doses).

If he's in good shape, I'd suggest dedicating some of his day to a regular yoga/stretching routine. Nothing new-age or whatever, just stretching and contracting the muscles. It helps a lot. Also while tripping remember to occassionally stretch and move around (otherwise he will get stiff).

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good advice

[trptamene]

I would not say swim is out of shape (~130 lbs 5'5''), but as he has already had back problems he could get in better shape....the idea of some sort of yoga/physical therapy sounds like a good idea, but swim is not sure where he should go about getting into this. He does not have the best medical insurance and a lot of health care is not much of an option to him. He will probably search online though and see if there is anything he can come across as far as strengthening his back muscles and seeing if this works.

[samadhi_smiles]

research sun salutations and perhaps visit a yoga studio once or twice to get the basics down. You can do 10-15 sun salutations a day which is a really good idea to help your back. The poses involved are not complex in any way and you can learn them pretty easily.

[trptamene]

SWIM tried some 4-ho-dmt on friday last and noticed that although the same problems were somewhat present...they were not nearly as noticable as with the 2cx's..on another note...the trip was awesome)

[vantranist]

Are u possitive the pain isnt pleacebo caused by the natural Paranoia that Drugs can give?

SWIM thought he was getting kidney pains do to drug use, and everytime he would take this certain drug (that was infact bad for the kidneys) he would get kidney pains.

SWIM later discoverd that where the pain was coming from wassent even where ur kidneys are located. After he discoved that the pain that only came when high mystrously just whent away.

The mind can play some mighty tricks on you.

[trptamene]

SWIM can never be positive, and does realize that a placebo effect can be powerful at times, but is fairly confident the intensification of the back pain is correlated with the psychedelics.

SWIM thinks that the problems are always there during his routine day, but just has become accustomed to it and it is less noticable during the day, then when psychedelics are used this feeling may become noticable and intensified as psychedelics seem to have a way of intensifying the senses.

[trptamene]

hmm...SWIM thought about the placebo thing and tried the 2ci (16mg) tonight, the back problems are not near as intense...but def still noticable..

Maybe was that swim had the problem once and then was placebo effect other times took 2c-x's after that

but swim also decided trying taking some old school 325mg aspirin 15 min into the trip..so maybe that was it, but then w/ that idea...maybe the aspirin gave a placebo effect that he wouldnt have the back pain? Either way, SWIM will take the relief

Swim will run more experiments w/ 2ci with and without aspirin and as well w/ psilocin and see how things go...he is waiting on 2ct2 and 2ct7 as well and if and when those come through...more experiments will be conducted to maybe get a more broad spectrum. SWIM may still look into the yoga idea tho, some good physical therapy could do him good.

SWIM will update as things proceed.

[trptamene]

update:

Well, SWIM ran an experiment with the psilocin (23mg) last nite. Results were good. Visuals were intense, the grass looked very prismy and green and full of billions of crystalline frogs. SWIM liked it alot.

As for the backpain, swim decided that maybe the aspirin helped w/ his last trip, so he tried it again. It did not give the same effect(; the pain was still there, but not as noticable during the peak of the trip & definately worth the positive effects. During the end of the trip, the positive effects began to wain and the problems with his back became noticable and unpleasent, but tolerable & a back massager set him straight.

This is all for now.

[Bajeda]

It may just be a case of enhanced sensory perceptions from the psychedelics making swiy's back problems more noticeable, rather than outright placebo. Or maybe a combination of the two, hard to say...

[Psych0naut]

A while ago SWIM planned on doing 2C-E with 2 friends. The whole evening he had back problems which were getting worse and worse.
After a while it was so bad SWIM was almost screaming in pain. Because SWIM and his friends had make a lot of effort to make that trip possible, they all snorted their dose of 2C-E, and it hit SWIM within a minute or so, he was tripping hard within 10 minutes. After 10 minutes he noticed his backpain was completely gone! Since then he hasn't had any serious back pains anymore. Though SWIM experienced the opposite, he thought it would be worth mentioning his experience.

[chAos]

I have read other reports about people who had cramps or other problems after taking psychedelics. I thought it was believed the main reason for this is that, while on psychedelics one can be in a uncomfortable position for hours without really noticing it.

[trptamene]

hmmm...well that makes sense...but the problems usually manifest when swim is coming up on the trip and are such that it is difficult for swim to stay in anyone position (other than on a heating pad) for very long.

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM normally doesn't suffer from back trouble, apart from an occassional dull ache when the mattress hasn't been turned over for too long. She, however, has suffered from back pain during both PEAs and Tryptamines (MDXX, mushrooms, LSD, HBWR seeds). She suspects that kidney strain could explain part of the problem, plus mild toxicity causing general aches and pains in the joints which could also affect the spine. SWIM has found that the problem naturally eventually alleviates itself after recovery. (She has also noticed similar aches when drinking too much alcohol). Just some theories from SWIM.

[trptamene]

well swim has tripped a few times since last post here (mostly psilocin) and has taken a aspirin each time and the back probs seem to be less noticably...but it should also be noted that swim has used whipits repeatedly during the peak of these trips which would probably all but dull any pain. So these results are not valid.

SWIM took 13mg 2ci and did not take an aspirin and had no noticable pain w/ it, but this is a low dose also.

His back is still not in the best condition and thinks he should start doing some kind of therapy/yoga for this. He just needs to get in the routine tho...

[tayo]

The problem could be that the effects of psychedelics on bodily awareness(posture included) are creating issues. Skeletal muscle constriction is also common for a body load.

SWIM experiences back pain during psychedelic sessions usually due to lack of awareness/care of bodily posture. But also after sessions SWIM finds the back of hir neck extremely fatigued. This is due to the increased flow of blood to the brain through the cerebral cortex.. or so SWIM believes.

[Expat98]

It sounds like the OP's back problems may have a physical basis, but based on a 2C-T-2 experience, SWIM believes that back pain and other body load symptoms may sometimes be exhibited as psychosomatic effects caused by anxiety when tripping.

SWIM had previously taken 2C-T-2 several times, with the highest dose being 25mg, and never got any body load problems to speak of. On a recent occasion, SWIM took 30mg, and his whole body was tense, with the main problem being back pain. SWIM also did not have a very strong mental trip and had very weak visuals. He believes the problem was that he was not that comfortable tripping with the person he was with on this occasion.

It is possible that the step from 25mg to 30mg brought on the body load, but that would not explain the decrease in mental effects.

[God_Albino]

my friends bro is like hunched over from all the e he took, i know he did amt for a little while, dont know why his backs fucked

[dr ACE]

could be kidney stones??,or could be the due to the strain placed upon you kidneys and liver when processing thesetoxic compounds,psychosomatic body discomforts sound like the most obvious cause if you do not have get this pain on a regular basis when not 'tripping'

[trptamene]

Just want to keep people updated.

Research is still underway, but progress has been slow as many other obligations have been active in my lab rats life.

It should be noted that swim is taking a weight training course and specifically has been using a machine that strengthens the muscles in the back, hopefully this will help during swims next trips.

[TheWorldwideTryptanem]

Back problems are most likely posture related. Be aware of posture at all times. Strengthen lower back (erector spinae) and abdominal muscles. Remember, chest out, shoulders back and back straight at all times. Ears, shoulders and hips must be in line. Stand/sit up tall. Will be challenging to do at first but body will adapt and posture will improve, and back pains will go away as posterior(back) muscles will be stronger. Wouldn't hurt to do pull ups, rows, hyper-extensions and even deadlifts if barbell is available. Then say goodbye to back problems.

[Nagognog2]

Ever see those films from the 1960's of the Hippies on LSD doing dances? Those weren't dances, per se. That was Tai Chi. A form of martial arts. Learn it. It works.

[TheWorldwideTryptanem]

Tai Chi works wonders.