Opinions - What similarities are there between DMT and Salvia divinorum?

[Jasper_Scotland]

Seems to me that there are quite a few similarities between the two. Can only be smoked through a pipe/bong, effect are almost instantaneous, both have powerful psychadelic effects, that are short lived.

Does anyone who knows SWIY who has tried both and can comment on the differences?

[johnronson]

swim has noticed that salvia has a very distinct hard plasticy feeling, and usually just descends into chaos. DMT on the otherhand has a plasticy taste and a much smoother visionary experiences.

Personally swim will never smoke salvia again, but loves dmt.

[JinxedSoul]

Swim Concurs, Salvia and dmt are somewhat alike but salvia's high is very chaotic were dmt is rather enjoyable. Not to mention people tend to forget what is going on when they smoke salvia. DMT tends to leave swim with a very clear mind.

[Swimster]

Salvia is a DISSOCIATIVE. This is a BIG difference! And who told SWIY
that one could only Smoke DMT. [It can be taken oraly with an MAOI]

Also. salvia hits you fast. while lsd has a long onset.

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[augentier]

Salvia..a dissociative? Really? I was always under the impression that it's a psychedelic. Neither seem like a correct classification to me..it's more under its own group - incredibly unpleasant mindfuck. Yeah, I don't like Salvia :P



I guess that wasn't really adding to the conversation, oops

[Swimster]

Originally Posted by augentier

Salvia..a dissociative? Really? I was always under the impression that it's a psychedelic. Neither seem like a correct classification to me..it's more under its own group - incredibly unpleasant mindfuck. Yeah, I don't like Salvia :P


I guess that wasn't really adding to the conversation, oops

Sure you were adding to the conversation, it's more than welcome to swim.

Their are multiple classifications. Just because i said it was a Dissosiative, doesn't mean it's not ALSO a Hallucinogen. Just like DXM, PCP, KETAMINE, and Nitrous Oxide - In which are ALL Hallucinogens. Dissociative is a SUB catagory of Hallucinogens.

EDIT: There are a number of Hallucinogens that have multiple SUB - classes.

[JinxedSoul]

And to sum everything up here is a quote from wikipedia.

A dissociative is a drug which reduces (or blocks) signals to the conscious mind from other parts of the brain, typically, but not necessarily, limited to the physical senses. Such a state of sensory deprivation and dissociation can facilitate self exploration, hallucinations, and dreamlike states of mind which may resemble some psychedelic mindstates. Essentially similar states of mind can be reached via contrasting paths—psychedelic or dissociative. That said, the entire experience, risks and benefits are markedly different.
The primary dissociatives are similar in action to phencyclidine (PCP), and include ketamine and dextromethorphan (DXM). Also included are nitrous oxide (laughing gas), salvia divinorum, and muscimol from the amanita muscaria (fly agaric) mushroom.
Many dissociatives also have central nervous system depressant effects, thereby carrying similar risks as opioids to slowing breathing or heart rate to levels resulting in death, when using very high doses.
Their effects are characterized by intense feelings of depersonalization, derealization, and analgesia.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by Swimster

Dissociative is a SUB catagory of Psychedelics.

Untrue, dissociative drugs are not a sub category of psychedelics. Hallucingoens are put into 3 categories. Psychedelics,dissociatives, and delieriants.

Salvia is a strange one though I must admit. It is psychedelic in SWIM's opinion, yet it does seem to have dissociative qualities. SWIM knows people that have had out of body experiences, and the 'gravity pull' from salvia has been known to render SWIM unable to move.

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by Swimster

Salvia is a DISSOCIATIVE. This is a BIG difference! And who told SWIY
that one could only Smoke DMT. [It can be taken oraly with an MAOI]

Also. salvia hits you out of the blue. while lsd has a long onset.

salvia is not a dissociative. Dissociatives are drugs that are nmda antagonists so your wrong. Salvias active ingredient is a kappa opiate receptor agonist. DMT effects a multitude of things and if im not mistaken dmt might already be an maoi but i could be wrong about that.

[imyourlittlebare]

also, i believe dmt is classified as a deleriant or hallucinagen. I believe its a very fine line? can someone post information on it? im gonna go look for sources for tomorrow too.

[WeDieLaughing]

Salvia does both for SWIM, but at different points during the trip. Once SWIMS ego goes, he's up and running about per usual, but with a crazy psychedelic mindfuck.

[zera]

To swim DMT feels like being wrapped in a cocoon of love, while salvia makes him feel like everything in his life that he loves has dissolved and he will never recover it.

[Swimster]

^^ Swim meant subcategory of hullucingens. ooop's....

Anyway, more clearly:
"
Many people have applied the term psychedelic to other drugs including dissociative NMDA Receptor Antagonists such as PCP and ketamine, tropane deliriants such as atropine, other psychoactives such as Amanita muscaria and Salvia divinorum.
"

[Salvinorin A]

I'd find it hard to compare salvia and dmt.

DMT is definitely more psychadelic while salvia really does act a lot more like a dissociative (but far from the typical NMDA receptor antagonists).

I agree with some of the other posts above. Most DMT trips are more fluid and easier to comprehend. Salvia for most people is just a mess, and most of the time during the trip SWIY will have no clue what's going on (since salvia's trip removes almost everything human about you).

Using salvia for enjoyment swim thinks can only exist in two ways. A great laughing sensation (and knowing) at small doses. Or being able to control/understand what's going on during the trip.

For swim, swim doesn't know what the hell goes on, but recognizes all the great things about it afterwards...it really is the teacher plant.

Let's discuss health effects...

Salvia has been shown to be very very un-addictive.
DMT isn't addictive either, but since it's a bit more enjoyable swim thinks it has a higher potential.

Any cases of psychological issues (such as psychosis) stemmed from DMT (salvia has none). Swim would think so since a lot of trips can be similar to that of LSD (yet this could be completely incorrect because of their massive pharmacological difference).

Sal-A

[Swimster]

here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative

[imyourlittlebare]

oh my! your right. i thought it was limited to nmda antagonists. but it makes sense considering kappa opiate receptors are part of a system with nmda receptors. great post. thank you for correcting me!