Injecting - How to IM inject Ketamine

[Lettish]

Where are the best locations on the body to IM?

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by Lettish

Where are the best locations on the body to IM?

SWIM prefers thigh, buttocks and deltoid, in that order.

Edit: He also prefers 25G (x 25mm) needles for IM, although he has never seen it happen he has heard that thinner needles suited for IV might break in muscles. 25G is thin enough to penetrate skin tissue etc. without much pain so he sees no reason to use 28G as someone mentioned.

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Ty for info, Lettish's SWIM

[Beltane]

21-23 gauge is pointless and ridiculous for a a situation like this, and SWIM speak speaks from vast experience. 29g is fairly easy to bend, but in thousands of experiences SWIM's never snapped on nor seen on snap. 28g is the perfect size being very unlikely to even bend under normal IM usage conditions, especially if one only uses each needle once but even if SWIY uses them several times apiece, though not recommended.

The other point SWIY makes about IM vs. subQ has merit on the surface. SWIM used to IM a lot of ketamine with a registered nurse and they talked about this. SWIM experimented with a 23g 1.5" needle to various muscles _assuring_ that the injection was IM even according to the nurses standards. SWIM and the nurse noticed absolutely no different between this type of injection and a 28g/29g 1" needle in any muscle at all. Although technically it's possible that this is a subQ injection, SWIM assures you there's no difference in effect. Both the nurse and SWIM, after experimenting extensively, would consistently go with 28g/29g, 1" injections, usually to deltoid or glute muscles. It's the gold standard in SWIM's very considered opinion.

- Beltane

[Spamuel]

Point taken.
If the effects didn't seem any different, then maybe SWIM will get some 28's to try in the future.
Cheers.

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Good contribution and an open mind

[Beltane]

Way to keep an open mind. Let SWIM know how it goes. SWIM promises that once you try the 28's SWIY will never go back!

- Beltane

Originally Posted by Spamuel

Point taken.
If the effects didn't seem any different, then maybe SWIM will get some 28's to try in the future.
Cheers.

[enquirewithin]

Thicker needles certainly tend to cause more soreness than thinner ones. I would be very hard -- and painful-- to snap a needle.

[englishkid]

intra-muscular injecting of ketamine is relatively safe in very low doses. also only use pharma-quality. never cook up with powdered. you never know whats in it.best advice? snort it.better advice than that. dont do it at all.

[Hyperspaceblastoff]

30 gaguge is the best for IM Ketamine

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Nice pic

[enquirewithin]

^That's pornographic!

[empr0]

what of the crystals SYIM gets are not pure ? would it be wise to IM inject them after dissolving them in water ?

[FistyCuffs]

SWIM is considering IMing k. He's always thought that sliding into a hole without the unpleasant sensation in his nose and throat would be a winner.

SWIM's never come across k in liquid form tho, only ever power. So his main reservation is regards purity. Some powered stuff appears to be 'totally pure' ie, largish crystals, like salt, straight evapped down from liquid, uncut. But the batch he has lined up for shooting is fine crystals, possibly already cooked up (recrystallised). It's impossible to tell if it's been cut with something.

So SWIM wonders if there is a way to purify k to remove impurities, like can be done for heroin? He doesn't want a talc embolism or somesuch. At the very least, just dossilving in water to check there's nothing insoluble there.

Also, are there any methods out there for sterilising powers? SWIM was thinking of dissolving a hit in distilled water, in shot glass, tin foil on top; then sitting it in a pressure cooker for 45mins with a bit of water on the bottom. Thinking this would kill most/all bacteria etc. Any ideas?

[enquirewithin]

It's hard to tell if it's cut or not. Good racemic k does seem to be in the form of largish shiny crystals. Generally cutting agents are benign enough (such as dextrose). There are no guarantees thanks to prohibition, but my horse has IMed powdered K (which should, of course, be water soluble) many times without any real problems if that's any help. The main problem is that it's more compulsive in the long run and starts losing it;s more exotic effects eventually.

[Bojangles]

i wouldn't reccomend shooting anything wether iv or im...I am a vet tech an we ketamine mixed with glyco and xylazine to give im to cats before knocking them out with gas anestesia. I was always taught ketamine im burns like a bitch and i believe it b/c the cats scream murder...needles just arent my thing but if you do decide to that just remember its gonna burn

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

i wouldn't reccomend shooting anything wether iv or im...I am a vet tech an we ketamine mixed with glyco and xylazine to give im to cats before knocking them out with gas anestesia. I was always taught ketamine im burns like a bitch and i believe it b/c the cats scream murder...needles just arent my thing but if you do decide to that just remember its gonna burn

Ketamine does not really burn when injected, only when insufflated. There is some pain from injecting fluid into the muscle. The cats are probably scared.

[dave-o]

This guide suggests distilled water. Others have suggested "saline solution". Would that contact lens cleaner solution be suitable?

[FistyCuffs]

SWIM finally got round to IMing k a few weeks ago...

Wow!! Just... yeah. A k-hole like no other. Did it about 20 times over a 3 week period until swim's stash ran out. SWIM found 150mg to be the ideal k-holing dose (swim is above average build). Didn't go much over that, but hopes to push the limits in future ventures.

The way it comes on is kinda special. Feels so clean infact, without having a bunch of powder in ur face, and without that nasty k drip that has a tendancy to ruin or cut short the k-hole experience. Btw.. anyone get some crazy high-pitched noise when coming up? I've noticed it a few times with IM.

SWIM also loved 'playing about' with needles. (SWIM is a trained medical professional). Kinda fun in a geeky sciency kinda way!

As expected, this is likely to be a lifetime hobby for SWIM, something he's always wanted to get into, and now was the right time in his life to get going with it. Gonna write up a full report, mostly for friends to read, but will post in the forum sometime. Shud be quite a good read methinks.

And a final thankyou to Beltane for writing this little guide and providing the spark for me to get on and try this devilishly good delight. Big up urself badman! I'm sure in time to come i'll also be a k-shot veteran.

SWIM is also curious to try IV, ya know, just to see.. Might need a sitter for that one, rather than waking up after an our in a bloody mess with a needle still in SWIM's arm. I imagine IM to be more fitting for k anyway.

Oh and one little point. SWIM made his 1g/10ml solution and kept in a sterilised (with IPA) eye-drops container.. one of the 15ml single piece ones. From this SWIM wirthdrew his shots. Was mighty handy, and a good way of keeping it clean. Although a bigger sized one wud be better )

SWIM was also thinkin for next time making his solution twice as concentrated so as to inject a smaller volume and hopefully reduce post-injection soreness. I'm sure there wouldn't be any probs, although i understand k is quite basic, so if it was too concentrated it might irritate the tissues.. Hmm.. research in progress.

[macumba2009]

SWIM has been insufflating K for a number of years and is interested in IM soon for proper self exploration.
SWIM can only get hold of powdered K and is concerned at how to prepare it for IM’ing.
Can SWIM simply dilute 1g powder to 10 ml of water?
Does SWIM have to sterilize powder? Is this possible? How?
Can SWIM use normal boiled water?

SWIM is concerned with the danger of injecting impurities and causing problems.

Thanks!!!

[FistyCuffs]

Yeah man - get on it! But be sure to do it right tho. Very much worth it if u enjoy the state of ketamination. And it really is the healthier option if ur gonna binge - no blocked runny noses, no stomach cramps or sickness. Nice and clean (imo)!

Yes 1g in 10ml is cool, although SWIM prefers 2g in 10ml so you only have to inject the half the volume, which is more comfortable for the muscle. I mix up the solution in a shot glass (after giving it a wipe with an IPA swab), and then squirt into a eye-drops bottle from which i an draw out with needle (thru the tiny hole) into the syringe.

To sterilise the water (i always always use distilled) simply boil for a few minutes. I heard 3 mins @ >74 deg C is some standard, although the was only what i heard from a friend.

For sterilising equipment and power itself, i recommend you grab some IPA (isopropyl alcohol, check ebay). Dissolve to 70% with dH2O to make rubbing alcohol, which is useable on skin. Handy to put it in an atomiser spray thingy too.

SWIM's never bothered to sterilise the powder, only because he knows his source well, and that it hasnt been cut or manhandled. Although u can never be sure.

If u wanted to steilise the power, which may well be worth doing as getting an abscess would be such a bother to sort out. Method wud be to dissolve the k in a minimal amount of IPA/rubbing alcolhol, then allow to evaporate at room temp or with a bit of warmth. I've heard it's one of the few solvents not to leave a residue. Although may depend on how pure the IPA is (ie, use 99.9%)

So that's my 2 cents.... got forth fellow k explorer!

[dantesinfernoo]

Swim has taken ketamine for several years and it's a real addiction .. It will really fuck up your organism .. He started snorting it and then he tryied IM and never stoped from then on .. One big disadvantage is that after many hits you cannot sleep unless you are to tired .. Another disadvantage for long term use is that it will ruin your blood circulatory sistem , your body will feel the effect of cold more intense than a non-user , you will get cold feet and that is a really awfull feeling ( feeling like
your blood aint going through your all organism anymore ) . Swim told me
another thing your bones will hurt you , you wont piss and take a shit good and many other organs will give you pain .. I rememberd that swim said that his skin was affected too and your memory too ..

Swim was selling liquid form ketamine so he could'nt help doing it to itself .

The thread is right , it's better to IM ketamine that snort it but you better
watch it , the side effects for long time use are painfull .

Did I mention that swim couldnt even go to work when wokeing up without doing an IM dose ..

The good dosage for long time users is 1 ml per hit but swim tried even 1.5 ml and it really takes you good ..

For first time users just try 0.5 and it will give you a real good hit .. swim
did this dossage in the first year or two and then advanced to bigger
dossages becouse it didnt give the wanted effect .

If you are interested in more details mail me , and I will answer you as soon I can .

Thank you for reading Swim story !

dantesinfernoo added 11 Minutes and 23 Seconds later...

I have seen a reply just now , about how ketamine burns and the good vet right there has a point . Sometimes it really feels like a burn but it aint nothing you cant
handlle .. If you want to know more about the sideeffect or the high that ketamine
gives you mail me , becouse i've kinnda seen it all through the eyes of SWIM .

[enquirewithin]

It is certainly true that ketamine is more addictive IMed than sniffed so SWIdantesinfernoo is worth heeding. However, ketamine was designed to be injected and sniffing it is unpleasant and leads to a lot getting swallowed.

However, not everyone gets addicted or takes it on a daily basis. As with alcohol, overuse is dangerous and addictive. Occasional use is much safer. All drugs need to need taken in moderation.

[macumba2009]

When diluting powder, should SWIM crush it before or dilute in its original form in order to see any undiluted material easier?

Is it ok to use the water for injection, which is available at needle exchanges, which is used with heroin and other intravenous drugs?

Thanks
M

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by macumba2009

When diluting powder, should SWIM crush it before or dilute in its original form in order to see any undiluted material easier?

It can be dissolved in water easily. Anything which doesn't dissolve after a while is not ketamine. Crushing shouldn't be necessary.

Originally Posted by macumba2009

it ok to use the water for injection, which is available at needle exchanges, which is used with heroin and other intravenous drugs?

Thanks
M

Why not? So long as it's sterile.