First Time: High-Power Salvia D.

[visage]

Hello.

SWIM has been researching salvia for a while now and educating himself about it, and SWIM and a friend are going to try it for their first time in a few days. SWIM tried to talk his friend out of it, but he is pretty set on getting the highest extract that the shop sells, SWIMs not sure what this is it could be 40x, maybe just 20x. Either way SWIM knows this could be way too much for their first time.
SWIM has tripped on shrooms several times before with small doses between 1 and 2 grams, so he has a little experience with hallucinogens. SWIM's friend has never done anything more than weed. anway,

Exactly how potentially bad could it be to take 40x or even 20x for a first time?

Also, SWIM realizes salvia has a short duration. But does it have the same effect as shrooms where a single minute can feel as if it takes much longer to pass?

thanks.

[boogieboo]

It's possible that 40x could be too much, as it can be easy to overestimate how much swiy actually has to smoke. also, there is usually time dilation on a salvia trip. however, that being said, swim's first time smoking salvia he had 60x and he didn't know what to expect. He only took one hit and got blasted out of this world just long enough to forget who he was, but it was also an intensely beautiful trip in which he felt connected with everyone in the room.

swiy's friend may want to start with leaves or a low extract, but if he properly researches the sacrament and feels very comfortable around his sitter (very important to have) he should be fine.

good luck

[Salvinorin A]

SWIM highly advises against taking 40X for the first time. 20X is high enough. SWIY doesn't know his/her sensitivity to salvia if SWIY hasn't tried it at all. Some of SWIM's friends get a full blown trip off of leaves. Try 10X first, it's usually very strong for most people. And it's cheaper.

As for the effects, it is definitely much much much shorter than that of shrooms, but yes some people do report time distortion. And usually, if one get's to the point where time distortion takes place (pretty intense experience), SWIY wouldn't wanna be there that long anyways.

But yeah, start out slow. 40X is very strong stuff, and so is 20 for that matter.

[Nagognog2]

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[HabitualCriminal]

Swim has aquried some salvia 15x. This is not swims first time with salvia, he originally had some normal leaves but couldn't get anything off it. The main problem is swim isn't a smoker so finds it hard to inhale and hold in long enough to get the effects. This was a few years ago and swim wasn't to pleased so left it at that but after he's saw what others have been saying he's desperate to try it hence the reason for getting the 15x stuff. Swim hasnt tried it yet but is keen to hear other non smokers advice?

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by HabitualCriminal

Swim has aquried some salvia 15x. This is not swims first time with salvia, he originally had some normal leaves but couldn't get anything off it. The main problem is swim isn't a smoker so finds it hard to inhale and hold in long enough to get the effects. This was a few years ago and swim wasn't to pleased so left it at that but after he's saw what others have been saying he's desperate to try it hence the reason for getting the 15x stuff. Swim hasnt tried it yet but is keen to hear other non smokers advice?

One could make a quid and chews the extract and keep it for as long as possible under the tongue, this method would allow the effects to come on gradually with a slighty longer duration. Be advised some people do move around while there not really in the shell so to speak. So having someone around preferably being sober to supervise potential issues from high dose extracts for the first time or not. Experince is a building thing with Salvia and it still occasionally takes swia by surprise.

NOT a good idea for a first time user to be doing a 20 extract should start on leaves. to get an idea on sensitivity which has already been discussed.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM was under the impression that any salvia extract above 20x should be considered no more than a marketing gimmick seeing as these high extractions ultimately cannot produce much over the effects of a certain level. Perhaps it would be best to test the waters with a 5x or something, even then is it quite intense. At the end of the day however, salvia divinorum doesn't produce any significant health risks therefore ploughing straight into 40x will probably only scare one senseless and do no more than that.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

salvia divinorum doesn't produce any significant health risks therefore ploughing straight into 40x will probably only scare one senseless and do no more than that.

Apart from being with out a sitter and remembering everyone is different both physically and mentally. I suppose another health risk would be being so dissociated that one would do something to harm themselves ie: walk into a busy road etc.

[Salvinorin A]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

SWIM was under the impression that any salvia extract above 20x should be considered no more than a marketing gimmick seeing as these high extractions ultimately cannot produce much over the effects of a certain level. Perhaps it would be best to test the waters with a 5x or something, even then is it quite intense. At the end of the day however, salvia divinorum doesn't produce any significant health risks therefore ploughing straight into 40x will probably only scare one senseless and do no more than that.

SWIM just wanted to say that it really depends on the user. SWIM gets mild effects from 20X. Some people, SWIM and many other semi-hardheads, need 40X to get powerful effects.

But in a sense SWIY is right, if one get's extreme effects from 20X (which most people), then there is no sense in going into 40X.