Combinations - 1st time LSD + Rave + MDMA (Candyflip)

[xtzy]

SWIM whats to try lsd for the FIRST TIME at a rave a few weeks from now. Hes planning on dropping half blotter, 40 mins later the mdma pill (2hrs aprox another pill....) and dance all night . Any comments advices etc. would be appreciated .
Is it a rave a good place for SWIM to have his first lsd trip ?
Candiflipping for the first time ?

[dancingbear]

Has SWIY any experiences on psychedelics from before, other than MDMA?

SWIY should be careful, consume enough water, not take alcohol, make sure there's someone SWIY knows and who can give a shoulder if SWIYS unicorn gallops into too obscure meadows.

Half a tab does not sound too much. But, set and setting apply here too. Make sure SWIY can exit quickly to a safe place if trainwreck occurs.

Enjoy!

[Swimster]

indeed, swiy must be carefull, if it's his first time dropping. Has also had any experience with MDMA?

[raven3davis]

Half a hit probably isnt going to do much unless the blotter is really strong. SWIM thinks you would have a great time. It's up to you whether you want to take lsd by itself the first time or with mdma. SWIM thinks there will be minimal effects from the lsd and the MDMA will probably overpower it. The environment shouldn't be too important on such a low dose. Just be safe and have a good time.

[rodent]

LSD at a rave for the first time? Not really a good idea in my opinion. Combining something/anything with it for the first time... also not a good idea in my opinion.

Raven is right, half a hit prolly won't be overwhelming but what is SWIM going to do if it is overwhelming? What will SWIM do if they feel nothing from the hit after 40 mins? Take another hit because SWIY thinks it's weak and also dose the mdma? What if it turns out that 1.5 hits of "LSD" isn't LSD and it turns out to be 3-5 mgs DOI or something similar?

Maybe I'm getting old but... my monkey would err on the side of caution and try the LSD by itself when in a comfortable setting maybe with a trusted friend.

Is it a rave a good place for SWIM to have his first lsd trip ?
Candiflipping for the first time ?

I think SWIY knows the answer to these questions..... SWIM has done his research hasn't he?

[Heretic.Ape.]

SWim agrees with the average above verdict: half a tab should be ok, but he recommends you don't go for any more. SWIM says acid can be very overwhelming in itself, and the vast sensory overload of a rave can be a lot to handle. Swim used to dose at raves but in the end decided that the X by itself was more fitting for that particular venue. (SWIM took 10 hits at a rave once and it was crazy, he was afraid to go to the portapotties because they looked like giant goblins/monsters eating the people who went into them, he just felt totally lost drifting through an ocean of undulating flesh and faces.) But Swim was never known (back when he went to raves) to be moderate, taking anything less than 3 or 4 doses, so such a low dose may be much more fitting. Have fun and be safe .

[Flimmar]

The following comment is due to harm reduction.

For starters, it's never a very bright idea to try anything new with another drug. It may be, that SWIM is familiar with the MDMA feeling, it's effects and dangers, but when SWIM combines it with LSD, he ends up with something far beyond what he could expect. Have SWIM put enough thought into this?

To give SWIM a little example; SWIM was doing mushrooms, his homegrown ones, for like the 15th time, and he decided he wanted to intensify the trip with a bit of cannabis. One of SWIM's friends rolled him up a joint, and they lit it. He inhaled about 8 times, and universe simply exploded. Colours blended together, and lights were emerging from the ground. It was a nice trip, but SWIM hadn't forseen this, so he was shocked at first, and being thundershocked by a trip can make SWIY work against the feeling, instead of just going with flow, which is what SWIM'll want.

When it comes to a rave, SWIM really wouldn't recommend it. Not at all. It all depends on who SWIM is. SWIM likes progressive- and techhouse, but when tripping on a psychedelic drug, the music becomes somewhat strange to him, and he is in need of something more gentle - something which hasn't got this, sort of "aggressive" touch to it. SWIM don't want to be freaking out in the middle of a rave, being struck with terror, and having a massive body overload - SWIM could risk being traumatised for the rest of his life.

Anyway - what SWIM would recommend SWIY doing is to get together with a handful of close friends. Go camping, simply set up a tent somewhere, if the weather is nice, that is. Otherwise, just stay at his friends house. Put some relaxing cloth on, be rested and have a good time.

Have fun!

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[Heretic.Ape.]

Swim agrees with Flimmer, techno can be abrasive when tripping, and comfort is a BIG deal while frying. Camping is awsome! (as long as you feel safe).

[Swimster]

"comfort is a BIG deal while frying" Especially!

[brighteyes88]

swim thinks that if swiy is comfortable in the rave environment, and the people dont make swiy upset, and swiy generally feels safe then all should be well.

swim was candyflipping on his 1st (actual) time, in a club, and it was very nice. he also thinks it all changes frm person to person, a rave environment might freak one out, while another would like that environment the most.

if swiy is worried about dosage and mixing, that fear itself might sabotage swiy's whole experience, and then swim would advise to not mix. swims first time, he wasnt worried about mixing, and had a great time.

[dancingbear]

Yes, if SWIY is used to noisy rave environments and has good social skills then little harm should be expected.

SWIM went clubbing after dosing on acid for the 2nd time in his life. This was something like 11 years ago. It was strange at times, but it was also a good experience. If not dosing megaloads, it can be fun to experiment - to "acid test" - oneself on what kind of situations one can handle. Just look at what the Merry Pranksters did with their acid tests back in the 60's.

The above-describe autoexperimenting is not, however, recommended for a first timer. Anyhow, SWIY should keep in mind that LSD is, after all, a chemical that will wear off, always. But, what should be kept in mind too, is that it's ultimately a sacrament, not a party drug.

[podge]

Candyflipping before tripping?...dont be stupid. Swiy should be fully comfortable with both drugs before swiy even considers mixing them. What if it turn's out LSD isnt swiy's thing and swiy is stuck bad tripping around hundred's or thousands of people swiy doesnt know for hours ? Does swiy realise that LSD lasts around 12 hour's while a pure MDMA pill ( has swiy gotten pure MDMA pill's....has swiy tested them? ) will last around 4 hour's .....what is swiy gonna do when he is coming down off MDMA and peaking on LSD at the same time? This idea is stupid. Perhap's swiy would have a great night but more than likely not. Swiy would'nt advise this idea at all.

[brighteyes88]

Originally Posted by podge

Candyflipping before tripping?...dont be stupid. Swiy should be fully comfortable with both drugs before swiy even considers mixing them. What if it turn's out LSD isnt swiy's thing and swiy is stuck bad tripping around hundred's or thousands of people swiy doesnt know for hours ? Does swiy realise that LSD lasts around 12 hour's while a pure MDMA pill ( has swiy gotten pure MDMA pill's....has swiy tested them? ) will last around 4 hour's .....what is swiy gonna do when he is coming down off MDMA and peaking on LSD at the same time? This idea is stupid. Perhap's swiy would have a great night but more than likely not. Swiy would'nt advise this idea at all.

in swims experience, the ecstasy comedown is less noticed when on lsd - not enhanced. but i see where swiys coming from, and the comedown can lead to a horrible trip.

but, this has never happened to swim. althoughl, thinking back, and thinking more in terms of "mabye things affect other people differently from swim" - i would now advise against mixing. not because i believe swiy would have a bad trip, but because i beleive its possible, and might put swiy off lsd.

it wouldnt hurt to try lsd by itself first.....

[dancingbear]

Plus, SWIM cannot emphasize this more: NO alcohol with MDMA, preferrably none with acid, either. SWIM once took an MDMA pill after swigging a half a bottle of red wine. Horrible comeup, lost his eyesight for 15 minutes, went all blue in the body (according to witnesses). SWIM thought he was gonna die.

Oh well, that's another thread, mixing alcohol with psychedelics. Anyway comboing is always a risk, SWIM'd say.

[chAos]

Swim first time lsd (and all the others that followed ) was on a party. He wrote a trip report about it. Looking back to it, swim told me his first blotters were rather strong.

In case you want to read it:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26023

About candyflipping: Swim hasn't tried it yet. He recently tried MDMA for the first time and he thinks it would be a great combo. But since it's swiys first time on lsd, swim advises him to wait with the MDMA untill the lsd is wearing off.

edit: In case swiy has never taken another psychedelic before swim advises stronly against it. Maybe it won't go wrong, but psychedelics are very powerfull substances which should be used (semi- ) responsible.

[Bassic]

If you in England then i reccomend to do acid at an event for the first time at Glade festival. The sound sytems are absoloutely brilliant and the festival has the nicest atmosphere you will ever come across at ANY festival. Everyone is mashed... Makes you feel really comfortable and safe, plus psytrance is trippy as.

[FrankenChrist]

Swim's thoughts:
get familiar with any drug in a safe setting before doing it at a large public event.

Also choose your public wisely. Try to be somewhere with people in similar states of mind. Not as much fun being the only candyflipper if everyone else is just drunk.

Acid = long
Dancing makes tired
Tired & acid still going strong: probably not so good

[xtzy]

ok first of all thank you as always for your quick replies .
I've done some thinking/researching. SWIM will take half blotter and wait for at least 45 mins. then drop the mdma pill, depending in how he feels will decide on what to take next (having another pill and the half blotter left in his pocket)... the rave is 2 weeks, as soon as i have the time i will tell you how everything went like a mini trip report to help others !

"My Flamingo" is still open for suggestions !

[dancingbear]

Fair enough, brother. Just remember that you're not taking any drugs. SWIY might be, but that's a whole different ballpark eh? SWIM and SWIY, those naughty, naughty people!

[lysergic diethylamide]

about a month and a half ago " My Flamingo" went out with a load of mates to another city to go to a rave, 'tribe of frog' (have a search and youll see how stupid she was being) anyways, we went pubbin and "My flmanigo" was pretty drunk then went to this rave...its a psytrance rave and everything is in UV bearing in mind. "My flamingo" did 125mites of lsd, a bomb of mdma, cannabis and laughing gas.. not to mention She's already pissed and She's never tryed lsd or md in her life...

swims come up was out of this world, everything went totally off the wall, obvioulsy.
the comedown was fucking horrible and "My flamingo" thought she was insane for 2 days and got quite scared.
all is fine now
didnt affect swim long term watso ever, was a fuckin insane experience

ps. dont take this as advise to do alice of mdma in raves, swim was being real fucking stupid and swim holds no responsiblity if you actually do loose your mind

[Jatelka]

^^^ And let that be a cautionary tale. (INSANE combination)

Even if SWIY is comfortable taking various drugs, the environment can sometines screw SWIY over completely. SWIJ (an experienced psychonaut) has more than one bad experience on psychedelics, and she has taken them in clubs many times.

First time ANYTHING'S are NOT recommended in unfamiliar environments.

BTW: Tribe of Frog is a wonderful event that has it's home in a wonderful city, in a fairly intimate and friendly venue that is never over-crowded. It's full of astonishly happy and shiny people and is HIGHLY recommended. (although it can get a little messy on occasion).