Overdose - I.V. Cocaine Overdose

[Beltane]

SWIM is a bit ashamed to type this up, but maybe it will belp someone else and that would be worth it.

SWIM snorted coke for a year before starting to slam (injecting intravenously) it. After the needle, going back wasn't an option. So for the next year on and off, mostly on, he would spend much of his days slamming coke.

He kept a journal and was specific about dosage schedules. In the end he found it most efficient to make up 3 shots at once. But this one time he miscalculated slightly and that's when the real problems started.

Backing up: Slamming coke for SWIM had 2 distinct phases: the rush and the high. The high is cool and good for writing, cleaning and doing shit one normally finds boring. The rush is what kept SWIM coming back for more. It would last on average from 3 to 6 minutes and could be very intense.

As time went on, SWIM began to inlude in his journal a score of 1 - 10 as a rating of the rush. He became concerned as he realized that he was consistently aiming for about a 9.5 to 9.6 (10 being where he estimated death would be very likely.) He was looking for and getting off on what could be described as a death trip.

Often SWIM had sitters, and uless he tried to move or talk, they wouldn't notice the slightest difference in his behavior, even at 9.7 doses. SWIM tried to explain what was actally happening to them and ended up one time hitting about a 9.6 and then deciding to walk from the bean bag to the bed. He stumbled so bad the sitter knew instantly what SWIM had been talking about.

Side note, SWIM's pulse was always steady and his blood pressure today is the same as it was when he was captain of the Swim team in high school.

Anyway, the real overdose part. SWIM miscalculates a little and ends up getting off so hard sitting in the bathroom that he actually loses consciousness and somehow rolls/gyrates/falls into the (empty) bathtub. Sitter said other than the vacant stare and uncontrollable gyrations there didn't seem much to be done.

So that's the worst of it. Since then SWIM has layed down the spike. He would be very curious to hear from a medical-type person how serious this actually was. A normal "death-rush" that included uncontrollable shaking and gryations was scary as hell. The thought that there's something beyond that where a user can actually lose consdciousness leaves SWIM wondering just what happened.

Again, not proud, but hopefuly helped someone.

- Beltane

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	good one
	never be ashamed your information could save someones life. gr8 post. :)

[Alicia]

Im sure it will help people know far there going beltane. it is useful.
Maybe there should be section dedicated to physical overdoses on psycho-actives so people could compare maybe or understand more the risks

swia finds cocaine in i.v preparations very unpredictable she has seen people fall down dead just like that from it regardless of weather they are experienced with there use or not.
Like the constant desire to push and push, glory fleeting, living for that sensation. before its to late. Sadly a lot of people who get like this forget in there last moments they had a life,family etc.

dangerous road but a fun brief one non the less..

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great

[old hippie 56]

Great words of wisdom, swim been down that road before. Get tingles just reading these two posts.

[Beltane]

Originally Posted by old hippie 56

Great words of wisdom, swim been down that road before. Get tingles just reading these two posts.

Means a lot coming from you as SWIM has gotten much from your past contributions.

- Beltante

[Fantasian]

I think in some ways this is what keeps SWIF from IV use. It'd be a road he doesnt think he'd ever turn back down.

[Beltane]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

I think in some ways this is what keeps SWIF from IV use. It'd be a road he doesnt think he'd ever turn back down.

It's funny, but SWIM says the exact same thing about smoking cocaine/crack. With I.V. use the method itself is somewhat time consuming and complicated, which serves to slow a user down. SWIM's heard tales of people smoking rocks just one after the other until they got blisters from the pipe being so hot.

Smoking coke is the road SWIM fears he'd never turn back on, and that's why he won't do it. Ever.

- Beltane

[svenghali]

Smoking coke is the road SWIM fears he'd never turn back on, and that's why he won't do it. Ever.

- Beltane

This is exactly the reason SWIM will never smoke coke, either. He's seen people who are totally unable to stop, consumed by the time they spend hitting the crack pipe. He is willing to try a lot of things, and has tried many, but freebase cocaine/crack cocaine is not once of them.

[rex24u]

This SWIM started out sniffing coke for years before he ever slammed. Like you said, once you start there is no turning back. Next thing you know this SWIM is convulsing every time he shoots coke.

It was good (the coke, not the seizures), living in South Florida, one thing they have is good yayo. Like Alicia says I.V. coke IS VERY UNPREDICTABLE!!! SWIM seen people OD on 1/8 of a gram. If SWIY is sniffing 1/8 is nothing but going the I.V. road is totally different.

[SwanSushi]

Swim has experienced the same and has friends that have died from cocaine seizures.

Swia, please be careful.

Continuous and habitual use of cocaine, or cocaine based substances creates a predisposition of seizures in the user, particularly in crack cocaine or IV users.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by SwanSushi

Swim has experienced the same and has friends that have died from cocaine seizures.

Swia, please be careful.

Continuous and habitual use of cocaine, or cocaine based substances creates a predisposition of seizures in the user, particularly in crack cocaine or IV users.

Swia hardly toys with coke anymore if u ment swia. but thanks for the concern hun.

[sterling77]

Smoking rock is rough. It's not fun and once you do it you don't want to even think of doing coke again- it doesn't compare. Swim strongly urges against ever trying crack. If you are one of those people who are curious and like to experiment to try something just once, it is one of those things that is much much better left undiscovered. Swim has seen people very close to him have their lives ruined and completely changing as a person. I repeat it can get very rough and ugly and swim has seen some people really reach some hellish depths.

[Beltane]

SWIM's more curious than your average cat, but had no trouble resisting all his old "friends" who kept urging him to try it "just once" so he knew what it felt like. No rocks for SWIM.

BTW, regarding the unpredictability of I.V. cocaine, SWIM's experience was quite different. SWIM kept detailed notes almost all the time and until a few months ago had a scale accurate to .01mg that he used to measure doses. The one that almost did him in was a careless mistake. He was making up 3 syringes at once and miscalculated what each should be drawn to. He ended up with something like 65/65/75 units respectively. He did a 65 and got a huge rush and should have stopped to realize that the 75 was too much. But he forgot and was careless.

Still, over time, SWIM's found measured doses to have very predictable effects, taking into account of course that each batch may be different from the others. SWIM's talking about shots made from the same batch.

- Beltane

[sterling77]

It would be interesting to hear from someone who has experience with both IV coke and smoking crack. Such as are they very similar? Is one more compulsive or more of a rush? Are there any distinct differences?

[Beltane]

SWIM used to use with a guy who did both. He preferred I.V. by far, but his veins were shot so when he got frustrated he'd hit the rock.

I don't know about the difference in the rush, but the thing I've always noticed is that when a user smokes a rock, they want another immediately. When SWIM and his friend would I.V. coke, SWIM would often go an hour or two before wanting more. He would find himself getting absorbed in projects, writing, etc. Didn't notice with friend too much, but I don't think he'd shoot more than once or twice an hour.

Plus, SWIM has seen people on crack, and SWIM has seen people on I.V. coke. Now the sample group is not large, but by far he preferred the company of I.V. users to smokers, who always seemed super paranoid and jumpy.

- Beltane

- Beltane

[rex24u]

This SWIM has smoked crack and I.V.'ed coke. Swim prefered to boot it any day. SWIM always felt like blowing out smoke was a waste and wasn't good at holding it in for three minutes until no smoke was left. SWIM was shooting boatloads of meth, heroin, O.C.'s whatever. Then SWIM found out you could boot hard (crack). Water doesn't dissolve it. Takes lemon juice or vinegar. That made SWIM feel like TOOOO much of a crackhead though. Besides, SWIM use to get that fire raw when he was in Florida.

[Beltane]

Careful, a while back there was a big thread about booting crack where SWIM was berated for suggesting that crack be prepared for injection by dissolving with vinegar. He heard from many of the higher-ups how dangerous this is.

The proper way to prepare crack for I.V. injection is to dissolve with citric acid or vitamin C.

For more info the combined I.V. crack thread can be found here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...shooting+crack

BTW, as far as I know, there's no significant chemical difference between crack disscolved in citric acid and regular coke mixed with water.

- Beltane

[Fantasian]

So in SWIBeltanes oppinon, does he think one could try mainlining cocaine and not feel an overwhelming desire to do it again. SWIF doesnt have a problem not insufflating again and he has overcome an opiate IV addiction sometime ago in the past. Any thoughts?

[rex24u]

I'm not SWIMBeltane but in SWIM's I.V.'ing experience he's only known a handful of people that have ever tried mainlining coke that haven't felt the overwhelming desire to do it again.

Insufflating coke and I.V.'ing it is like apples and oranges.

With I.V. opiate experience you should know this (no disrespect intended).

In SWIM's opinion it all depends on the individual and where they stand in relationship with their willpower and decision making skills. With SWIM, once starting there was no stopping.

Luckily SWIM doesn't I.V. anything anymore but it is a huge struggle everyday.

Thanks for the info Beltane. And yes, you are right. Cocaine is cocaine is cocaine. Doesn't matter if it is powdered or crack.

[Alicia]

Yes there will be a urge to try it again. swia felt like she end up pin cushion iv coke seems to be much more rewarding then previous methods on a par with crack smoking, but more godlike specially h mixtures.

[Fantasian]

If SWIF were to undertake in IV use which he thinks he will how much saline should he dissolve the cocaine in and roughly what ratio should he use to insufflation. SWIF understands that nooen can give him an exact answer due to the impurity of cocaine but an estimate or ratio would point him in the right direction. Or maybe a method of use that would help him being a first time user.