Debating Research Chemicals Esp. The good, bad, and ugly.

[LysergicSound]

Let's start off with 2c-e..

Swim personally loves the chemical, It's just great all around but swim is a little burnt out on it and it seems as though everytime swim does it the physical struggle to literally live gets harder and harder. Recently, after snorting 20mgs or so it became very unpleasantly hard to breathe and swims pulse was ungodly high and it actually started off spiraling swim into a worried and unpleasant trip due to the fact that while on 2c-e its not fun to be worried about the slightest discomfort because 2c-e tends to magnify things to say the least. As swims heart rate went down the trip became very pleasant and enjoyable. It got swim thinking a little, maybe we had all been overdoing it a little by using 2c-e in high snorted doses at least once a weekend if not twice and maybe once during the week, as swim noticed a negative tolerance being built up such as the breathing problem, which generally didnt occurr to that magnitude.. it was litereally everything you could do to focus on taking in every single breath as deeply as possible and it actually began to wear you out.. Now swim is finding t21 to be more at ease and enjoyable but swim is still researching it to see what negative threats it poses.. but damn the 2c-e trip is an awesome and defying trip on all levels. Swim is still looking for that perfect chem but for a while he thought he had found it. Maybe RC's are just too hard on ones body after too much over use.

[grandbaby]

Your topic title is a little confusing — but reading your post, I think I know what you're getting at. Is it mostly that you want a place to relate SWIY's recent experiences without making the thread all about SWIY? Fair enough.

lecture ahead:

DON'T SNORT 2C's. That's just asking for trouble. Research is all right, but one doesn't want to be part of an LD50 study.

If someone is experiencing "the physical struggle to literally live" while on a chem, don't you think it's time for him to take a break? Take a walk, read a book, go see a play, whatever. Anything that's worth doing is worth doing sober (too).

On another forum there's a young fella, about 20 years old, that has developed serious physical difficulties because of excessive use of 2C-E (mainly because of throwing up so often).

RC's are hard on the body with overuse. So is everything else. Keep your usage moderate (and keep your moderation moderate, too) and you'll find your experiences are more pleasant — and more rewarding.

/dadspeak

[Nagognog2]

The only death on RC's reported (5-MeO-AMT is not technically an RC - or debatable) were from snorting them. 2-CT-7. Don't do it.

[nanobrain]

^while the other was from fingerlickin 2C-T-21, so be very careful there as well, cowboy.

[Nicaine]

"RC's" just means "research chemicals," and there are potentially many different types (although in practice it seems mainly stimulants and hallucinogens/dissociatives).

Re: hallucinogens, SWIM has never cared for them in the first place. As for stimulants, he's really getting tired of this substance category -- it's starting to feel like sh*t to him to be under the influence of anything stronger than caffeine. So SWIM's career as a researcher is probably nearing its end, just 6 months or so after it started.

If SWIY feels like it, just give it an extended break. Granted, getting connected again after being away for awhile presents a challenge, but it's hardly insurmountable.

[LysergicSound]

Swim snorted some of the t21 last night.. swim would say about 18mgs or so
and it was a pretty good trip but yet again swim was feeling like complete shit for a good hour or so right after and it is one of the longer hours in your life but once its over with its blast off straight to the moon. But, after swim does 2c-t-x products swim finds that he starts off the trip in a bad mindset due to the fact that swim has a hard time trusting the t-x's. After last night though swim decided to end the snorting of the rc's cause swim doesnt like what its doin to the body, and the headache the next day is unbearable esp. with 2c-e. not to change subject off of rc's but swim got a nice big ole amanita cap.. any experiences with those?.. Swim has done many of mushrooms but not the amanitas.

[Nacumen]

2C's will hurt you if you use them too often. The thing is, they seem to hurt people in different ways, and it's hard to know exactly what's going to happen with any given person. In SWIM's case, 2C-I/2C-E caused long-lasting hppd where lights easily create an afterburned image in his eyesight. VERY annoying. But it wasn't until about 2 months ago that this started practically out of nowhere. It had never been a problem before, and SWIM had been using 2C's bi-monthly at the least for a few months beforehand. SWIM stopped using 2C's about 5 weeks ago, but the after-effects are still very present.

2C's are dangerous enough without snorting them. Just don't do it. It's not worth it. Plus they burn like battery acid.

[LysergicSound]

yeah the hppd has come and gone a few times with swim and swim has been doing research with rc's for quite a while. sometimes it comes in a bad wave to where for a few weeks or even months it stays strong and then when swim gets stoned its even worse.. for a while swim couldnt even get good and stoned without havin to deal with annoying hppd issues.

[Nacumen]

Originally Posted by LysergicSound

yeah the hppd has come and gone a few times with swim and swim has been doing research with rc's for quite a while. sometimes it comes in a bad wave to where for a few weeks or even months it stays strong and then when swim gets stoned its even worse.. for a while swim couldnt even get good and stoned without havin to deal with annoying hppd issues.

SWIM can also report severe hppd issues while stoned. The weed seems to make the hppd much more apparent... even when the hppd would otherwise be only slight or even unnoticeable.

[rodent]

Goddamn... I hope you are taking a break for real. Your 19 and putting extremely powerful chems up SWIY's nose that have been known to KILL people.

wow, didnt realize t21 was bad. swim knew t7 was bad and everything.

and apparently, SWIY was doing this without doing any research beforehand.

You have reported extended negative body load and hppd...

Stop now. Take that break. Before ever starting again, READ READ & READ more about what you may put into SWIY's body.

Dammit it makes me angry.... kids like yerself are the reason these chems are diffucult to get and won't be used to heal & explore the mind for years to come, if ever. /end rant

[nanobrain]

Do Not Snort 2c-t-21!

This practice is specifically contraindicated with said material and will not result in a positive experience. It may result in your demise.

[LysergicSound]

wow, didnt realize t21 was bad. swim knew t7 was bad and everything. swim will need to take a break for a while.

[LysergicSound]

no actually swim has researched extensively. its hard finding very useful information on t21 and rarer chems, erowid is swims notebook but swim finds some of there information to be a little misleading and doses to be off a little. there is no trip like a high rc dose nasally.. sorry but it is the trip of the future. swim has recently decided to refrain from nasal usage but will start doing research by ingesting in higher doses as swim use to do.. but for those who like intense.. well there ya go but swim wouldnt advise it as far as being dangerous. swim has been snorting rc's for quite a while now, and just recently its started giving problems but swims still at a healthy point so its time to take a break from rc's and research some of the more naturals for a while. lets hear some information on the 21 my friend.. what do you know about it? i have my opinions and factual knowledge on the chem but let me hear yours so we can see how much i do or dont know?

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[waxhorse]

Your behavior verges on Troll-like activity.

FYI, T-21 is about twice as potent as T-2. (It's precursor.)

Continue on your "Heroic dose" aganda and you will either **DIE** or suffer real downregulation.

I would suggest that the mods shut this one down.

WH

[Nagognog2]

Your ideas and such are more than troll-like. You might well serve as an example to our more naive readers and cause deaths.

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