Opinions - Does What You Fear Manifest As Hallucinations?

[Eridani]

Hi all, new to the forums. I just have a few questions. I have read through the rules and did my best to search for this topic, and didn't quite find the answer I wanted.

So SWIM is thinking about taking sleeping pills for a trip. It would be his/her first time with any sort of hallucinogenic drug. He/she read the reports at Erowid and found that a lot of people reported seeing, of all things, spiders.

Now SWIM is really afraid of spiders, and is afraid that taking enough sleeping pills to trip might produce rather...undesirable results.

So I guess the real question is with diphenhydramine is...does what you fear most come out in hallucinations? Or what you're thinking about at the moment also manifest as a hallucination? It's a silly question I know, but an answer would really be helpful. Like, cause, SWIM is prepared to see a few unpleasant things, but doesn't want a totally bad trip. Thanks in advance.

[Nagognog2]

Aside from posting this in the wrong forum for diphenhydramine:

From the rules:

• Use descriptive Topic Subject. This will help others find what they want to read. Topics with bad Topic subjects may be deleted! - there's nothing more annoying than looking at all those stupid "A stupid question" subject lines. I mean, I'm damn lazy, but how hard is it to type "A stupid question about (insert something here)"? As a rule of thumb, most thread titles should include the full name of the drug discussed.

A rule many tend to forget will cause a mass of warnings soon...Rules are here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann...t.php?f=43&a=1


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[Eridani]

Seeing as how diphenhydramine is in sleeping pills, and how this topic was in the forum titled "sleeping pills" you'll have to forgive my stupidity for assuming it went there...

[Nacumen]

"does what you fear most come out in hallucinations?"

Depends on how much fear you have. This might actually be true to a very small extent.

Deleriant antihistamine hallucinations are very different than LSD/Mushroom hallucinations. I assume you've gathered this already from previous readings.

2 pills (50mg) might knock you out, especially if you have no tolerance to diphenhydramine. With 3 or 4 pills, things will begin to move a bit. For instance, a piece of fuzz over the horizon of someone's back may begin to jerk unpredictably in any direction. The more one increases the dose, the more unpredictable things will become. With 5 pills or more, one begins to slowly enter a dreamlike state where reality becomes increasingly difficult to ascertain. Real hallucinations may begin around 8 or 10 pills for some people. For most it will take more. If you are sick, diphenhydramine will be far stronger in its effects. I personally would not take more than 50mg of diphenhydramine while sick unless I didn't mind some chemical-induced paranoia.

Don't take my word for it, though; it's been quite some time since my pet brine shrimp have been given diphenhydramine, and when they were given it they took 30 of the 25 mg pills, where delerium becomes the rule.

[Nagognog2]

Bongo finds 200mg of diphenhydramine a good dose for insomnia - with no hallucinogenic effects. Bongo never tried for more to get that effect. Not interested was the ape. But on another deleriant he did try when much younger, he noted many little jumping-spiders everywhere. As did his friends, except the one who thought he was with his girlfriend and began fucking Bongo's sleeping-bag...but that's another sordid and soggy story.

I'm not cheering SWIM up here, am I...?

[donkey rhubarb]

Well, there is no way of knowing what SWIY would see as everyone reacts differently. SWIM knows of a tiny little lepoard who takes the normal dosage and achives the deleriant effects. This lepoards mate a long while back took many many many more and had very unpleasant physical hallucinations and never ever wanted to repeat the experience.

It may be noted that since you are afraid of spiders and this little bit of info about spider hallucinations has been entered into your brain that it may well be likely that you would see such a thing.

But who knows.

As a first time with any halluc SWIM wonders why SWIY picked diphenhydramine?

[Eridani]

SWIM picked diphenhydramine for a first time trip because it's cheap, readily available, and best of all, not illegal. True the effects may not be for "beginners", but getting one's hands on acid or shrooms is significantly more difficult, especially since SWIM has no contacts for that sort of thing.

[Nacumen]

Hah, call me naieve if you will but I thought you were trying to just knock yourself out for the duration of a car trip or plane trip. In SWIM's experience, lower-end doses will knock SWIM out, whereas higher doses will not necessarily.

For someone's first time hallucinations, diphenhydramine probably isn't the best way to go. It's not anything like the traditional hallucinogens. If SWIY were to live in a country where Research Chemicals were legal for consumption, then I would suggest SWIY start out with some of those if SWIY were unable to find some other substances. Sources for such chemicals are not allowed to be given on this forum, but I can tell you that many vendors can be found if one uses logic and has a decent amount of time at one's disposal.

[Eridani]

What do you mean "research chemicals?" Do you mean the stuff that SWIM (acid, shrooms) wanted to take?

[Nacumen]

Oh, another thing. My sea monkeys used to be afraid of spiders too, until they were given high doses of diphenhydramine. After seeing several foot-long johny-quest-like spiders in their house and thousands of other insects of all kinds, the brine shrimp pretty much lost all fear of the little eight-legged creatures. In fact, they think they're terribly interesting now.

[Nacumen]

How does one define a research chemical? There is much debate as to the definition, but my definition is this: a research chemical is a subjectively new chemical that is used as a psychoactive substance. LSD may have been considered a research chemical some time ago, but many would no longer consider it to be. Alcohol is not a research chemical, as it has a long history of human use. 2C-I, a hallucinogenic phenethylamine, is a relatively popular research chemical. It has not been intensely studied and its health effects are largely unknown. Because the health effects are unknown, RCs are potentially extremely dangerous to take. The rule of thumb though with some of the more popular research chemicals is to take everything in moderation. RCs should not be taken weekly. A moderately safe approach is to take once a month at the most. But no one can be sure how dangerous these chemicals really are. The jury is still out on most substances, even well-studied ones, such as MDMA (ecstasy), but one has to make his own judgment call as to whether he wants to risk taking a possibly damaging substance.

edit: I mention research chemicals, because many of them are unscheduled, though there are exceptions. 5-meo-dipt is a research chemical, but it was placed with emergency scheduling in 2003 (i believe) to schedule I. 2C-I and 2C-E are unscheduled research chemicals, but because they are close analogues to 2C-B, an empathogenic hallucinogen which was scheduled in 1995, they are considered illegal if intended for human consumption. 25mg of 2C-I in a gel capsule is essentially considered illegal, because it is reasonably considered to be for human consumption. However, 1000mg of 2C-I shipped to your house from a chemical supplier in its original package, is, practically 100% safe to say, legal to possess.

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Good explanation

[AntiAimer]

Smurf reports at doses 600mg or so(note it takes more then 300mg for him to even be considered a sleeping pill) after the sleep effect somewhat subsides he get's slight transparent hallucinations. Nothing more. Seeing transparent lines on his wall and other movieng things but not object like(IE spiders, people and so on) with the lights on. With the lights off, no visuals. Alsowhen he looked into a turned off T.V., the screen was almost liquid like and gave off clearer hallucinations. Still nothing special, but reflections warped alittle and the T.V. screen rippled like water. These only lasted 30 minutes or so, while the sleep effect slowly subsided. Strong at first(10-20minutes?), weak very quckly after. Smurf reported he'd rather just dose some DXM for better visuals(only CEV's for him tho) but still nothing intense nor intresting like mushrooms or LSD puts off.

Smurf assumes if people can see people who are not there and spiders and such...one should always assume they may get the same effect. Start off slow, also if one is scared they shouldn't do a hallucinogen period. One should be at ease and really should just take in all that the drug(s) has to offer. Really shouldn't have in mind, just to get high. That's when bad trips happen.

Also it seems, very slightly Diphenhydramine acted as a aphrodisiac for Smurf for a few minutes only, right before the sleepiness effect(very weird for Smurf, not sedation).

[Eridani]

You raise a good point AntiAimer. SWIM wants to take it, is afraid that he might be afraid (if that makes sense). Of course no one is going to say "haha this kid is such a pussy that he won't even take a hallucinogen! haha!". But still...

[Akewstick]

SWIM heard the spider stories and was scared, but SWIM rarely saw spiders, insects or animals (he saw imaginary birds quite regularly when outisde) and when he did, it wasn't ever undesirable. SWIM did discover that on diphenydramine, there are much scarier things to be scared of. Surfaces that are obviously hard (desks, walls etx) rippling, and rippling harder and faster and more violently until they're vibrating loudly. This always terriffies SWIM.

[Gozaggss]

maybe it should be clarified. when people say they saw spiders, they never see spiders in perfect detail. what they see are spidery like shadows. swim sees them all the time. they just look like little spindly legged shadows. no head, no fangs, no webs, nothing. it's just one of those things that diphen-ers need to keep in mind at all times. if there's a person around, he/she could be real, so always treat that person with respect. animals, bugs, spiders, birds etc that aren't kept as pets are not real and therefore, swiy shouldn't be concerned at all. also, if swiy is scared, be sure to have a trip buddy. have one even if swiy is confident on your first time.

this can be one of the most fun otc drugs in the world, but it can also be the most terrifying if swiy isn't careful

[Nacumen]

Actually when on diphenhydramine there's really no way to tell they're not spiders if you're too gone in the head. SWIM can attest to that fact. I've also read stories of others where users saw scorpions everywhere.

[chrisn]

SWIM has seen those shadowy spiders that you're talking about, Gozaggss. He finds it quite fun to chase them across the walls with his fingers, because they always step out of the way just before his finger gets there. However, just because you haven't seen realistic spiders doesn't mean other people have not. People can have very serious hallucinations and delusions on benedryl, and at high enough doses there is no way to tell what is real and what is not. I'd shy away from making sweeping statements to describe your reactions to a drug. They may not be the same as everyone's.

[Gozaggss]

true. i took a bit of a hard stance on it. my only goal was to reassure SWIEridani that when people say spiders, they rarely see spiders in great detail. they're more like spindley legged shadows that move around in the corners of your vision.

[jcdjinn]

Diphen gave SWIM very strong auditory hallucinations such as trains and elctric drills in his ears. Also made him super tired, cold, and have to pee alot. It's a pretty lame drug in my opinion.

[Gozaggss]

swiy felt cold? is this common for many people? swim has tripped many many times off of diphen and has always felt warm and cuddly, but completely unable to move because of the strong muscle relaxing properties.