Drug info - Brown coloured ketamine?

[k-explorer]

SWIM is a semi-regular ketamine user and he always gets ketamine from the same guy and it's always a bright white powder. He gets it as liquid and heats it/reduces it down. SWIM can't really say how good the quality is as he has nothing to compare it with but he seems honest and SWIM's always had a very good experience with what he's sold him.

Thing is, today he sold SWIM some that's light brown in colour and SWIM is a bit paranoid about trying it. He says it's fine and that ketamine is often "off-white" but SWIM suspects he burnt it a bit when reducing it down and SWIM is wondering if that's a problem. Is it safe? Will it affect the trip?

[Paracelsus]

SWIY is probably right, the ketamine could've been heated a bit too much during cooking it down. I don't know how sensible ketamine is to heat, but it a part of it could have decomposed into something. I do not know if this something is safe, so I do not suggest consuming the product.

Maybe SWIY could ask his dealer to sell him ketamine in liquid form. SWIY can cook this down by himself (use the search engine to find the procedure) or use it for injection.

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[k-explorer]

SWIM used the ketamine yesterday and reports it was fine - perhaps a little weaker than usual, but SWIM had plenty of it so that wasn't a problem.

[Beltane]

There's a brand SWIM comes across in Tijuana called "Relax."

The liquid varies in color from clear to dark brown, straight from the vial. SWIM guesses that if the dark brown liquid were dried into crystals, said crystals may turn out to be brown-ish. SWIM's never dried them.

The liquid is always top notch, regardless of color variations, in SWIM's professional opinion.

- Beltane

[k-explorer]

SWIM is exploring IM for future trips.

[Beltane]

SWIM added some info to another post concerning the basics of IM Ketamine injection here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31433

Report back. Also, once a users tries K IM, they rarely return to snorting it.

- Beltane

[sleedje]

Swim had loads of orange/yellowish Ketamine from Mexico for awhile and it was decent...plenty of nice IM/IV experiences. However over time it began to decay and turn sludgy as though a die were coagulating and forming sediment. Not sure what this was and being cautious, Swim powdered it.

Beltane is mostly accurate with the one way trip to IM, however...depending on needs, Swim does occasionally insufflate instead of IM or IV as the results are different for each. Insufflating (IS) comes off rather hectic and mild but with a windy static experience, usefull for doing audio work...IM is like taking a bath under pressure...IV is a paradigm shift in experience. Of course, these are subjective and subject to change based on set, setting, quality.

[Twiglet]

[quote=sleedje;285095]plenty of nice IM/IV experiences.
Just wanted to make a note that to I.V Ket. is VERY dangerous, swim knows someone who did that (this brought on asthma attack) when swim used ventalin inhaler he died, it was a reaction between ventalin + K
apparantly most fatal ketamine cases are through I.V

[k-explorer]

It's funny to re-read this. SWIM hasn't found any ketamine since that time and would be happy now whatever colour it was!!

[sleedje]

Hey twiglet,

Swim understands your concern. Swim uses a case by case/modular model of reality to navigate through. IV for some can certainly mean death depending on dosage, quality, setting and physiology. For Swim and wife of Swim, however, IV is preferred...as by many friends....For YEARS.
On that note: SWIM DOES NOT ADVOCATE ANY form of ingestion, be it liquid, solid, or air....do as thou wilt. Swim is simply relating a story.

In addition, unless current research has proven this wrong(highly probable), there have been no fatal doses of ketamine. Of course an LD50 or fixed dose toxicity of ketamine does exist...so does it exist for H2O, B12, C6H8O6 or whatever swiy might want to shove into swiy's self.

In any case, use caution, research, wisdom and intuition. A proper discussion of IV use is perhaps now obliged...yes?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

[quote=twiglet;285103]

Originally Posted by sleedje

plenty of nice IM/IV experiences.
Just wanted to make a note that to I.V Ket. is VERY dangerous, swim knows someone who did that (this brought on asthma attack) when swim used ventalin inhaler he died, it was a reaction between ventalin + K
apparantly most fatal ketamine cases are through I.V

Switwiglet used the ketamine in combination of another drug that is probably what made the experience so frightening and dangerous.Ketamine can be dangerous on its own but still far safer than in combination with other things.However one can probably IV or IM ketamine with relative safety if done with caution If switwiglet just used ketamine on this experience it most likely would have turned out differently.Not that swim is saying that even that is 100% safe.Alot of drugs aren't completely safe no matter how they are ingested or how much.

Swim is not sure if ketamine is more dangerous to people with asthma so he can't comment on that part.

[Twiglet]

[quote=Orchid_Suspiria;287650]

Originally Posted by twiglet

However one can probably IV or IM ketamine with relative safety if done with caution If switwiglet just used ketamine on this experience it most likely would have turned out differently.

oh, so you can 'probably' do it safely, well swims good friend is dead.
ketamine is an I.M drug.
There has been a no. of ketamine (alone) deaths with I.V.
which is why i posted it cos i don't want swim's and swiy's to die

[Twiglet]

Of two known deaths by pure ketamine overdose, one was described as 'a homicide for homosexual ends' (Licata et al. 1994) and the other was a woman of 49, a New Age company owner, who took ketamine daily for 7 months. She believed that she had an Angel lover 'on the other side' who sent her messages (e.g. by forming clouds into heart shapes). One day she put on her finest clothes, lay down on her bed, and took a huge ketamine overdose so that she could 'join her angel lover'. At post-mortem, she weighed 6 stone and had a minimum of 600mg of ketamine per litre of blood (Jansen 2000).
http://ecstasy.org/info/kket6.html

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim has heard of it being iv'd for burn victims in hospitals.Swim knows a few people that have IV'd it a good number of times and are still living.Swim is not reccomending IV'ing ketamine he is just trying to say that it isn't going to make every single person od when they do it.

[Twiglet]

There is a risk that rapid i.v. injection will suppress breathing (Zsigmond et al. 1976), although ketamine does not usually suppress breathing when injected into a muscle in an adult

[Twiglet]

oh sorry swim agrees.
it wont kill you as soon as you I.V, it
just if this is a forum for information for swim's to decide what there doing then it needs to be bluntly pointed out how dangerous it is
well thats what swim thinks, but as i said before , he's a nutter

[Twiglet]

http://labanimals.case.edu/Anesthesi...for%20Cats.htm
This link will show swiy's how much k vets give to cats
You'll notice it's i.m

[Paracelsus]

IV ketamine is generally safe in clinical settings, as long as the dose is carefullyadjusted and administration prolongued (like a blood transfusion). But even if it's safe clinically, with recreational use there are some things that can go wrong. With an intramuscular injection, the injected liquid is absorbed gradually into the bloodstream. With intravenous use, the injected liquid gets into the blood instantly and to the brain in a couple of seconds. So with IV use, the possibility of fatal overdose through respiratory depression is many times higher. Be careful, you have only one life.

[toe]

Originally Posted by twiglet

Of two known deaths by pure ketamine overdose, one was described as 'a homicide for homosexual ends' (Licata et al. 1994) and the other was a woman of 49, a New Age company owner, who took ketamine daily for 7 months. She believed that she had an Angel lover 'on the other side' who sent her messages (e.g. by forming clouds into heart shapes). One day she put on her finest clothes, lay down on her bed, and took a huge ketamine overdose so that she could 'join her angel lover'. At post-mortem, she weighed 6 stone and had a minimum of 600mg of ketamine per litre of blood (Jansen 2000).
http://ecstasy.org/info/kket6.html

Okay, but this is clearly a description of a suicide. It would take an enormous amount of effort- and an equally voluminous syringe- to inject that much ketamine.

[river]

SWIM recently aquired some brown ketamine too and wonders if there is any more to say on the subject. the bloke who gave SWIM the brown ketamine said that when he used to do k, it was always brown. most importantly SWIM wants to know if it could be dangerous. also does ketamine in powder form change in any way if left for a long time? thanks