Ecstasy Death - Dangerous Pill?

[namooP]

Woman dies after taking ecstasy The pill was white with two cherries hanging from two leaves A woman has died in Hampshire after taking ecstasy. The 37-year-old woman from Bursledon died at Southampton General Hospital on Saturday after taking a tablet the previous night. Police have warned people to be wary of tablets described as round and white with an image of two cherries hanging from two leaves. A 51-year-old Bursledon man has been arrested on suspicion of supplying drugs. He remains in custody. Det Insp Linda Howard said: \"These tablets should be treated with extreme caution. \"We are awaiting chemical analysis of the tablets, but people should exercise extreme care.\" Found limp The reverse side of the tablet is plain with a line through the centre. The woman, who has not been identified, took ecstasy at about 2300 BST on Friday, police said. By 0100 BST she was vomiting. She was found limp at 0400 and was taken to hospital where she died at 0600 BST. From the BBC

[namooP]

My browser seems to have spazed out with this post. It was divided into paragraphs when I posted it. If a mod could fix it? It was copied directly from the link.

[Paracelsus]

Can't fix the post (not my forum), so I posted it again. I hope (but doubt) that the chemical analysis will be made public.


A woman has died in Hampshire after taking ecstasy.


The 37-year-old woman from Bursledon died at Southampton General Hospital on Saturday after taking a tablet the previous night.

Police have warned people to be wary of tablets described as round and white with an image of two cherries hanging from two leaves.

A 51-year-old Bursledon man has been arrested on suspicion of supplying drugs. He remains in custody.

Det Insp Linda Howard said: "These tablets should be treated with extreme caution.

"We are awaiting chemical analysis of the tablets, but people should exercise extreme care."

Found limp

The reverse side of the tablet is plain with a line through the centre.

The woman, who has not been identified, took ecstasy at about 2300 BST on Friday, police said. By 0100 BST she was vomiting.
She was found limp at 0400 and was taken to hospital where she died at 0600 BST.



May an admin please delete this post after fixing the original one?

[kumar]

Very Sad. They didnt mention how she died! May not have been due to the pill itself. One believes if a certain type of pill is deadly then there would be more then the one death due to the amount of people in which would have purchase that particular ecstasy. Maybe a one of pill? Im thinking it may have been a physical condition the women may have had that caused the death. Again very very sad.

[Peace Frog]

None of them mentioned the fact that it was the pill that killed any of those victims, nor did anyone mention any problems they might have had, OR any other substances that they may have consumed previous or after taking the E.

[grandbaby]

Also that the woman "died after taking ecstasy", not that she "died after taking 'ecstasy'", if you get the distinction. The media rarely makes a distinction between MDMA and the loads of crap that are nowadays often passed off as such.

[radiometer]

Det Insp Linda Howard said: "These tablets should be treated with extreme caution.

"We are awaiting chemical analysis of the tablets, but people should exercise extreme care."

So, are they saying that people do not need to exercise caution when taking other 'ecstasy' pills?

[Nargyle]

It's really indignating that they wouldn't make the results from the chemical analysis public, it's like the police nor the government really care about people knowing just how dangerous adulterated pills can be!!! his makes SWIM extremely mad!!!!

[Nagognog2]

They'd like nothing better than to declare it was pure MDMA which is abbreviated PMA manufactured by terrorists to support the downfall of GOD and country! Or some such total nonesense. For all we'll ever know she could have been run over by a train in Surrey.

[Nargyle]

Yes Nag, that's totally true, they would love to say that it was pure mdma, like such a thing could still be found, haaaaa!

[Swimster]

Yea, hope no-one gets discouraged about X upon this.
I mean, sure exersise cation, due to impurity, but
disscouragement propaganda bullshit is way over the top.

If you talk to a youngster in school, or an average
drug-free son, all theyl tell you is- "drugs is bad, drugs is bad".

The government is manipulating all the death situations, in
that every drug-related death is looked upon as the cause
of death when it's really because of Overdoses and missuse,
or unknown adulteration of substances.

[namooP]

Jesus you people jump to some conclusions. Propaganda? What? Did you even read the article? The fact is this woman took an ecstasy pill and died. What did the police do? The intelligent thing - describe the tablet as further tests are carried out, warning people that it could be dangerous. Police know people are taking ecstasy anyway but they are not concerned with that right now. Whats important is people know that these pills could be seriously contaminated. You are really plucking at straws when you say the media should have seid \"ecstasy\" instead of ecstasy. They are the same word! If they had said MDMA you would have a point, now your just being paranoid. The entire media isnt out to get you. And of course they didnt say what problems she had or what else she took. The article is from the day after it happened. Nor did they saw the pill killed her. It said she died after taking a pill. Which she did. Everybody take a deep breath. I am sure the test results and any other relevant information will be made available in due course.

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[Nargyle]

You do have a point there Namoop, the problem is that this is not the first time something like this happens and we can't help but jump to conclusions by remembering how the previous cases have been handled, why should this time be any different than all the previous cases?

[Swimster]

Originally Posted by Nargyle

You do have a point there Namoop, the problem is that
this is not the first time something like this happens and we can't help but jump
to conclusions by remembering how the previous cases have been handled, why
should this time be any different than all the previous cases?

No joke! It's not like this would be a random alligation or something. youth's believe
harshly in propaganda, in that they believe everyone who touches "illicit" substances
will be addicted, or something similar. They don't just look at research, hell they don't
believe they have to.

...But.. Let's try to get back on to topic here now..

If the government has any real brains, then they will inform us of the OBVIOUS impurities
of the Tablet! Istead they possibly won't. I guess we will have to see.

[snowsie1221]

Originally Posted by Swimster

No joke! It's not like this would be a random alligation or something. youth's believe harshly in propaganda, in that they believe everyone who touches "illicit" substances will be addicted, or something similar. They don't just look at research, hell they don't believe they have to.

...But.. Let's try to get back on to topic here now..

If the government has any real brains, then they will inform us of the OBVIOUS impurities of the Tablet! Istead they possibly won't. I guess we will have to see.

Propaganda? I don't believe that teaching people that drugs lead to addiction is propaganda... The truth is that yes some people just experiment with drugs, or use them with some sort of caution... but to say that anyone who does research will not develope an addiction... isn't that some sort of twisted propaganda? I am sure you didn't mean for your idea to come out like that. In no way does this journalist come off as someone shoving the evils of drugs down our throats.

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by snowsie1221

Propaganda? I don't believe that teaching people that drugs lead to addiction is propaganda... The truth is that yes some people just experiment with drugs, or use them with some sort of caution... but to say that anyone who does research will not develope an addiction... isn't that some sort of twisted propaganda? I am sure you didn't mean for your idea to come out like that. In no way does this journalist come off as someone shoving the evils of drugs down our throats.

they don´t care about getting into addiction with nicotine (which is developed in the same brain regions and even harder to drop as opiates)
and they don´t care about alcoholics, no problem drinking (a lot!) while being employed and having "social" acceptance all around and getting pretty damn old (sick, too, but old).

Compared to a "clean" addiction like heroin with legal -and a like alcohol, "take-away" price, or cocaine addiction, most of any of other addiction seem to be and really are, less hazradous and detrimental to the addicts enviroment if clean stuff is provided and nearly all addicitons are less harmful to the addict himself, so what´s the problem (not to say, that those genetically predisposed to addiction will get there, by starting it with their first cup of coffee and a cigarette and the first bottle of wine...).

it´s even more so, that a diversity of drugs leads to a more satisfied use and lesser problem of abuse in the society, so one might consider this argument first, to see it as a whole, before trying to fight the now existing system of half-assing on drugs as the non-plus-ultra of policy and never having tried the true alternative, that could be provided these day, with all that power that we posess to provide things to the people, instead of providing jail-time, awful laws, ugly propaganda and poisned, over-priced, impure, "I´ll guess what it is by taking it" drugs.

look at africa, where illegal alcohol is sold in the slums... they´d rather use heroin and keep their kidneys, eyelight, liver (must be a cruel death by losing the liver), limbs and lives, than drinking methanol laced and other impurities in one´s alcohol.

[namooP]

The media has its issues (as someone demonstrated to me in a thread dealing with that issue), but it makes us look like rowdy children to attack moderate pieces of journalism when we come across it, just for the sake of fighting \"the Man\". People will treat us more seriously if we deal with things in a rational light.

[Nagognog2]

Lighten up, namooP. We're just expressing dissatisfaction with the police and tabloid media that passes for news in the UK. Now back to the train: Do you think she fell on the tracks in Surrey? Or was she pushed by Rupert Murdoch? I think he slipped her some Ecstasy and pushed her in front of the Local...

[Nacumen]

The journalist could've at least said that the ecstasy was 'possibly adulterated with another substance other than traditional MDMA' or something along those lines.

The problem is, the average reader probably believes that there is only one 'active ingredient' in ecstasy, but the journalist does not clarify this.

Instead, the journalist communicated to the average reader that ecstasy killed this person - and that therefore any and all forms of ecstasy could be fatal when taken - even though this was not actually written.

This article is a good example of either propaganda 101 or very poor journalism.

[Swimster]

^^ Atleast! indeed. Like has been pointed out MANY times,
is how purity of ECSTACY is never pointed out. Same with
similar problem substances!

[stoneinfocus]

Three recreartonal/amateur marathonisti died in the berlin marathon some years ago.... be careful, don´t run marathons or sportive extreme competition, until you know for sure you won´t die of a heart-attack.Remeber heart-attacks are so uncommon as a reason for dying. *lol*

Well, sport is just going to get a bad reputation, for the rest of the majority getting fat and lazy and did you know that some of the sportsmen take
stuff that enhances performance? -(which really works unlike my diets and my sport schedule that´s hanging on the fridge) -so proud of my land, politics took action and have signed a anti-doping law right away, to clean society from ths awful desease -and did you know, that soccer is the most honest sport, because you don´t need doping you just need to shoot a goal?

[Swimster]

Originally Posted by co-incidence

Three recreartonal/amateur marathonisti died
in the berlin marathon some years ago.... be careful, don´t run marathons
or sportive extreme competition, until you know for sure you won´t die of a
heart-attack.Remeber heart-attacks are so uncommon as a reason for dying. *lol*

Well, sport is just going to get a bad reputation, for the rest of the majority
getting fat and lazy and did you know that some of the sportsmen take stuff
that enhances performance? -(which really works unlike my diets and my sport
schedule that´s hanging on the fridge) -so proud of my land, politics took action
and have signed a anti-doping law right away, to clean society from ths awful
desease -and did you know, that soccer is the most honest sport, because you
don´t need doping you just need to shoot a goal?

Actually hyper-activity, while on MDMA, and a-like substances can be risky,
do to dehydration! One should Dwink, lot's of water! (serotonin goes all crazy while on MDMA)

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by Swimster

Actually hyper-activity, while on MDMA, and a-like substances can be risky, do to dehydration! One should Dwink, lot's of water! (serotonin goes all crazy while on MDMA)

One should not drink lots of water at all - one should drink enough to stay hydrated (approx ½ litre an hour). Much more & one risks hyponatraemia (sodium depletion) & water intoxication (as in toxicity) which is a major killer in Ecstasy related deaths. Look up Leah Betts. Also, what has water got to do with Serotonin?

[Nacumen]

"\"These tablets should be treated with extreme caution. \"We are awaiting chemical analysis of the tablets, but people should exercise extreme care.\""

To the average person, this means very little, if anything. Chemical analysis of what? Does the average person know what a chemical analysis of ecstasy will entail? Are we sure that we do? Chemical analysis determining whether MDMA was the only active substance in the pill? Chemical analysis determining how potent the ecstasy was? Any or all of the above? We don't know, because these details were not given.

The average person does not know that ecstasy is a drug that varies in contents. The journalist failed to remind the reader that the pill may have been adulterated with a substance other than traditional MDMA. That is my viewpoint and for the time being I am standing to it.

This article is neutral in the aspect that it does not obviously take a side. But it is written is such a way that the average reader comes away from the story thinking that ecstasy probably killed yet another person.

If the journalist is going to scare the public by alerting them about a possible death due to ecstasy use, it is his responsibility to remind the public that the pill may have been adulterated with something other than what is traditionally contained in an ecstasy pill, i.e., something that should not be considered to engender ecstasy at all.

"A woman ... died after taking ecstasy"? Come on. Sure, technically that doesn't necessarily mean that ecstasy killed her. But what do you think that communicates?

[namooP]

Possibly adulterated? They did say that, when they said it was going for \"chemical analysis\". They further emphasis the fact that that it probably wasnt 100% MDMA when they say they are awaiting chemical analysis, and people should treat these pills with care (in the meantime). Read as: If they chemical analysis comes back clear, then munch on. People believe that there is only one active ingredient of ecstasy? What about the propaganda saying there is rat poison, sarin or maybe Al Quaeda in most ecstasy pills? I think this is either Journalism 101 or very poor propaganda. In fact, I think the journalist went out of his way not to say that ecstasy killed this woman. Read the article again. She died after taking ecstasy. Which she did. I think we can all agree that ecstasy was very likely a catalyst in her death, be it in conjunction with a medical condition/ adverse reastion/ mixed drugs. But we inferred this. I know the media has its faults, but this struck me as an especially fair piece.