Poppy Tea Preparation

[nEone]

SWIM has read a lot of these posts on teas and is confused by the sheer variance in number of pods that SWIYS are using. Some say 3-4 pods, some say 15-20!

SWIM walks to work and noticed some poppy flowers growing...he watched them grow and then used information he found to identify them, globular pod? check, lettuce-like foliage? check. Hairy foliage? check. Swim thinks that these are the indicators that best identify an unknown source of pods.

On his way to work one day, he sliced off the pods plus about 2" of stem from four poppy flowers The pods range in size from the size of a grape to the size just shy of a golf ball.

They sat in his desk drawer for a day.

SWIM wonders: If he chopped the semi-fresh pods up and steeped them in a cup of water with lemon juice, strained and repeated in fresh lemon water, combined and imbibed....is that sufficient? Does the pod need to be fully dried and ground up? Does the plant material need to be consumed with the tea?

Obviously, SWIM has spent the day UTFSE. There's so much information...but so much of it is conflicting and/or murky - people concocting many doses at once, or preparing opium with ice water, etc. It's all a little overwhelming.

nEone added 10 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...

Aha - SWIM just found this link in one of the many posts in this forum:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_info2.shtml

And that seems to have fairly explicit directions. Erowid is usually pretty decent for accuracy, no? SWIM is not an opiate user, so he'll start with two. If that's not sufficient, so be it.

[shikaka]

ok so swim has question :

can swim just take like 40 pods and grind them with cofee grinder to a fine powder and put them in air-tight container and store it ???? and when swim is ready just measure 5g and make a tea ??


Papaver somniferum giga----- something pods those are are those good ??

[Nesthead]

Originally Posted by shikaka

ok so swim has question :

can swim just take like 40 pods and grind them with cofee grinder to a fine powder and put them in air-tight container and store it ???? and when swim is ready just measure 5g and make a tea ??


Papaver somniferum giga----- something pods those are are those good ??

I haven't seen this method get the props it deserves--but yes.
I would go so far as to say that anyone who is new to pod t NEEDS, for safety's sake, to take the entire batch and grind them, then mix them in a blender until it's a homogeneous mass. That way the potency is standardized for the whole batch of poppy straw. My cat says you should start with 5 grams and make a tea of that, then you may adjust from there. Otherwise one may find that he's foolishly established a baseline based on a number of pods, which can vary wildly with potency. If one of my cat's friends were to make a tea and decide that he needs twelve pods, then when it's time for the next batch the twelve pods he selects from the box happen to be much more potent, bad things could happen to that cat.
Seriously, I read some of the recipes using "x number of pods" to my cat, and she put her ears back and hissed in alarm.
She asked me to say that she highly recommends that other felines should make a large homogenized batch of poppy straw with their pods. She wishes to add that they ought to make a new batch each time they get a box of pods, and test the potency of each new batch using five grams of poppy straw. Every time.
She says that it will store fine. As an added benefit, if she wishes to toss and wash some of the poppy straw because she doesn't want to go to the trouble of making tea, it's already prepared and she knows exactly how much to measure out based on her assays with the material when she first ground it up. She said that she always uses this method now, and has never looked back.

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[jwantbeer]

Thanks Nesthead I was going post the same thing. Being very new to tea my dog took his whole shipment of jumbos and put them through the blender. He made his first batch using the info found here including using fresh ginger root and had a good buzz and no upset ( damn dog has GERD ). Next batch was without ginger and not so good.

[hamhat]

a freind of a freind fancies getting some opim tea in the UK, he is happy to make it himself but would love to know where he can get the dried poppy pods from, and also if all poppy pods are the same or if he needs to get specific ones.

thanks in advance

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by hamhat

a freind of a freind fancies getting some opim tea in the UK, he is happy to make it himself but would love to know where he can get the dried poppy pods from, and also if all poppy pods are the same or if he needs to get specific ones.

thanks in advance

Ebay is your friend.
I don't think your friend needs to get any particular variety, all P. somniferum, and also P. giganthemum, contain morphine and codeine. Obviously he should start with a small dose and work up because the concentrations can vary quiet a bit. Oh, and he should make sure the pods aren't coated or chemically treated in any way, just dried.

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Originally Posted by herostyle

Would a blender be appropriate for breaking up the pods into a fine powder?
Also do you guys recommend the use of lemon juice or vinegar in your tea?
SWIM has heard it does the potency good.

Anything to lower the pH (i.e. make the water more acidic) would work, but bear in mind someone's gonna have to drink the stuff...SWIM finds lemon juice is bearable if he adds some honey or sugar at the end to counter the sourness of the lemons and bitterness of the poppies.

Edit: yeah, a blender is fine. SWIM uses a hand-blender in a tall jug that came with it to stop all the stuff flying out during blending - he just has to make sure he's using warm but not hot water at this stage as some of it is bound to get splashed up against his hand.

[herostyle]

Would a blender be appropriate for breaking up the pods into a fine powder?
Also do you guys recommend the use of lemon juice or vinegar in your tea?
SWIM has heard it does the potency good.

[Tyler_Durden]

I live in Australia a recently discovered some poppies around the corner from me the are pink and the pods are very small the "*" on the top of the pod is almost a reddish brown. Do youthink these would contain opiate qualities? I really want to make some tea but dont want to get sick if they are the wrong ones is that possible?

[PsychoActivist]

Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden

I live in Australia a recently discovered some poppies around the corner from me the are pink and the pods are very small the "*" on the top of the pod is almost a reddish brown. Do youthink these would contain opiate qualities? I really want to make some tea but dont want to get sick if they are the wrong ones is that possible?

I'm sure this is something your friend said right? Or maybe you are asking for a friend who is interested in pod tea? Because the forum rules clearly state that self incrimination is not allowed.

[jbnugget]

SWIM used to make tea by . . . making tea!! Heating the water and letting the pod dust infuse. The stuff does taste awful and chugging can make the experience of consumption a little less shitty. But, chugging HOT tea is not easy. As previously mentioned in this thread, adding honey (or whatever) to tea make palatable doesn't work very well.

Turns out, just about any tea infusion can be brewed cold. It just takes a little longer. Now, SWIM lets the crud sit at room temp for about an hour, filters and chugs! No heat, no sweet, just gulp it down & take a seat!

If SWIY's impatient, just use more pods and the brew will intensify faster. This is just a 'lazy cook's' method. The number of pods (as always) is an individualized number.

PS - A search for Papaver Somniferum pods will turn up online purveyors of dries flowers. (Hope this isn't against posting rools.)

[PsychoActivist]

SWIM was wondering, would adding some kind of alcohol based extract like vanilla or almond extract help in aiding the extraction of the alkaloids from pods? He guesses if so quite a bit would have to be used though right?

He knows the citric acid/lemon/lime juice works but he is out of lemons and didn't really feel like running up to the store right now and was curious about the above question anyway.

[Jessica_R]

Say SWIM is about 95 lbs. SWIM has a slight opiate tolerance now. About 20 mgs a day give or take 5 mg. What should SWIM start out with?

[538wireman]

Originally Posted by Jessica_R

Say SWIM is about 95 lbs. SWIM has a slight opiate tolerance now. About 20 mgs a day give or take 5 mg. What should SWIM start out with?

If swim were swiy, he said he would start with 7g. of pod material.
After making the tea with whichever method swiy decides to use, he then would only drink 1 maybe 2 gulps. Wait for 1hr. minimum (1 1/2hrs. would be better) before drinking anymore so swiy knows how it will affect swiy.
The most IMPORTANT thing to remember is to start LOW and drink SLOW.
Swiy can always use more pod material LATER and drink a larger amount LATER, but swiy CANNOT un-do too large of a dose AFTER already consuming it.
Be SAFE and swim hopes this helps.

[oldbulllee]

Originally Posted by Jessica_R

Say SWIM is about 95 lbs. SWIM has a slight opiate tolerance now. About 20 mgs a day give or take 5 mg. What should SWIM start out with?

20 mgs, +/- 5 mg of WHAT?
that is a necessary piece of info for any suggestion, my friend.

[538wireman]

Considering WHERE this question is posted at, swim thinks it can be safely taken to mean 15 to 25mgs. of Codeine, Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, or Morphine.
Swim would hope if swiyJessica_R was asking about anything else, it would be asked in the appropiate section of this Forum.
Good catch swiyOldbullee.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by 538wireman

Considering WHERE this question is posted at, swim thinks it can be safely taken to mean 15 to 25mgs. of Codeine, Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, or Morphine.
Swim would hope if swiyJessica_R was asking about anything else, it would be asked in the appropiate section of this Forum.
Good catch swiyOldbullee.

Unfortunately thats a HUGE spectrum of dosage . . .
Since each opiate has a totally different analgesic equivalency it can be a misleading or even dangerous observation.

(One is not trying to offend or discredit, the majority of readers will realize that SWIyou just ment "an opiate, because it is the appropriate section for opiates")

20mg (average) of Codeine is not even metabolized into 5mg of Morphine. (One thinks it is 30mg Codeine metabolizes into 5mg Morphine?) And in turn 20mg of Morphine is far weaker than 20mg of Oxycodone (about 50-30% depending on the efficiency of ones metabolism).

Just mentioning this so that any newbs do not get the wrong impression (even though SWIwe and most others will already know what SWIyou ment)

Peace.

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[538wireman]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

20mg (average) of Codeine is not even metabolized into 5mg of Morphine. (One thinks it is 30mg Codeine metabolizes into 5mg Morphine?) And in turn 20mg of Morphine is far weaker than 20mg of Oxycodone (about 50-30% depending on the efficiency of ones metabolism).

Just mentioning this so that any newbs do not get the wrong impression (even though SWIwe and most others will already know what SWIyou ment)

Peace.

Swim thanks swiSamuraigecko for understanding what swim was trying to say.
In the future swim will try very hard to explain what he means, and will keep in mind that not everyone will post their questions in the proper forum.
Swim also thanks swiOldbullee for pointing out his mistake of taking what swiJessica_R at "face value" and will be more careful next time.

[oldbulllee]

ql, man, you are very decent and thoughtful about what you say. nice.
now, SWIM just has little time to search threads so he'll just ask : what is CFO?
thank you.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by oldbulllee

ql, man, you are very decent and thoughtful about what you say. nice.
now, SWIM just has little time to search threads so he'll just ask : what is CFO?
thank you.

cooked opium or flake opium (Cooked Flake Opium) as per the "improved guide" thread.

[dirt]

After reading a lot of these posts it seems that there is no way to really not get the desired affects but swim just wanted to post the way she found that works awesome. she had no coffee grinder so she just smashed the p. somniferum pods with the butt of a knife in a cup with a little water so she wouldn't loose all the good dust. she dumped what she had in a coffee pot with some hot water and let it sit on the coffee pot warmer for about 1.5 to 2 hours. using this method 1 large pod is good 2 large pods and you might wanna stay home and 3 large pods is a little to much.

[cunt-monkey]

Swim has just "brewed" her first batch of tea for two. SWIM took 3 lg emptied trimmed pods and ground them in a food processor. The kettle came to a boil and SWIM removed it from the boil for a few minutes then added 1 tablespoon or so of the grounds plus one lemon zinger tea bag and two sugar cubes to each cup. Let steep for 15-20 mins and SWIus seems to enjoy the flavor very much. I will report back on SWIM's behalf on the experience when there is more to report.

cheers
Dean

[Synesthesiac]

For those with a knowledge of certain Strains of pods, how many Hen and Chicken pods would one expect to use in a single opium tea? I hear they are quite strong, as varieties go.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM would put them at about number 5 or 6 as far as potency goes. A lot of people seem to use 3 to 5 medium to large sized pods. This is not to say that this will be the correct dosage for any one person. When first experimenting with dosages one needs to CAREFULLY find ones own comfortable dosage by having small amounts and building it up remembering to wait a significant time for the initial dosage to kick in.

Peace

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

When first experimenting with dosages one needs to CAREFULLY find ones own comfortable dosage by having small amounts and building it up remembering to wait a significant time for the initial dosage to kick in.

Peace

So how long should you leave between your sips to notice how strongit is? We talking 10 minutes here, or longer?

BAsically how quickly can you tell the full effects in the tea, so you know if you need to redose.

[oldbulllee]

brewing some after a loooooong time. swim has found a source in his new town. took him just a year and a half (!). nothing special, as here you can't get any WHOA species; no persians etc... just government approved strains for seed cropping.they're pretty weak compared to the persians or turks, but still, if you get enough of them it works just fine.
swim has to travel and wan't be in a position to cook for 3 days. he is taking a 0.5 L bottle with him of decently concentrated brew, with some alcohol for preservation.