Poppy Tea Preparation

PLEASE POST SWIM'S FAVORITE TEA RECIPE HERE




P. som. Tazmanian are supposed to be the strongest with up to 20 % M. The strain was "made" for pharmaceutical use. Seeds do work in theory, but you need very large amounts, way more than using grinded poppy pods.


About california poppy pods the opinions differ, i would not spend my money on those. Favoured are tazmanians, gigantheums, nigrums, persian whites, hen&chickens.


For tea its best to mix water and alcohol in a ratio 3:1. you can also use wodka or some other 40% alcohol. put your grinded pods into a cooking pot or whatever, cover it with your wodka and heat it up for 20 minutes (some prefer longer brews but 20 minutes are ok). do not exceed 80 C because Morphine starts to break down at temperatures higher than 85 C. Let it filter through a normal coffee filter then or a kitchen towel (the kitchen towel tea will be stronger, because more plant material will pass). drink it. it will taste gross. but the good medicine always tates gross...

[msimm]

What about just eating the plant matter? SWIM always boiled his first,
strained to make a small cup of tea (hate the taste) then ate all the
remaining plant material. Seemed to work well (even when he got around
to eating the then re-dried material the next day).







Anyone else? Seems more efficient then the double extraction (and all that tea drinking).







There was a good thread at poppies.org about fungicides/pesticides and the importance (or perceived importance) of washing them.

Washing is a must. you never know. and also: when you get your pods, grind them all and put it together because some pods always contain more m or thebaine than others, while low m is only annoying, high thebaine really sucks. by mixing you have a steady level of all alkaloids. success!

[msimm]

I'll second mixing them all together. Its a good way to standardize
your material, then you can begin by dosing carefully to establish a
baseline and know every time you make tea from that batch your not
going to get too much of anything. Getting sick really isn't any fun
and we all know how much variation there can be in plant material.

[tippsy25]

so how many pods does SWIM need to make this tea, just enuff for him? do they have to be dried pods or are they suppoested to be fresh? can someone plz give him proper direction on how to make the tea from scratch....He has the plant in the back yard, its ready to be used......plz help

Its always difficult to tell how much someone needs. i dont want to tell you something that makes you overdose. that wont kill you and make you throw up when it gets really bad but still. it depends on so many things: quality, size of the pods, your weight, youre tolerance to opies. for me when i havent consumed in a while 5 are enough. just take your bunch and look what the average size is. of those you take 4 grind them and messure that with a teaspoon - this wayyou know how much you need next time. have fun. and report us.

tippsy i dont know what you mean by "from scratch" (you know..my english) butlet me guess:


option 1: you want to scratch the latex from your pods. depending on how many plants you have the stuff is definately the best. but usually you get far less than one gr. per plant especially when youre not used to harvesting and when you dont have many plants it isnt worth the work. if you do, you can still keep the plant and make tea out of that. using harvested o an over the thumb rule is that about 2 gr. kill someone who isnt used to it. i would use 1 gr.


option 2: "from the scratch" is a very cool way to say in english that you take your plant right from the place, fresh and green style. then you can just messure it like with dried poppies. although opinions differ also about that, if fresh plants are better. some say yes some say no. i once only needed 2 pods for a good bang from freshies but another time 5 had almost no effect.


so... i hope that helped you some.

[tippsy25]

well SWIM means the second one there....yes he has plants in the "back yard" and he wanna know how to make it after he pic them, as in, does he let them dry or fresh, but u asnwered that above, so he is gonna let them dry first as he is in no such hurry.

You dont really need to dry them, i think the effect is pretty much the same. at least drying them doesnt make them stronger. just make sure you get all the stuff out of the grinder, it will pretty much stick on the walls. yes start with 3, 4 pods. only if you want to dry them for storing make sure that you dont cut them too early - the pods will shrink really bad. a golf ball can become a penny i can tell you. wait until the pod has hardened out then hang them upside down so the goodies can run in the pod. you can also use the stems so dont throw those away, youll just need more of them, maybe x3. but when you built in your garden i guess you want to make as much as possible of your plant.





so success!

[msimm]

SWIM has always just used the pods and thrown the stems and seed out. You
might get more alkaloids using them. he would start low with 2-3 pods,
you might want to start with 2 using the whole thing just in case there
are a lot of alkaloids in there. Its always better to be careful then
to end up in the ER trying to explain yourself. Thats also why its good
to buy a lot, spend the extra time grinding it all up before you use
it, mixing it all together so you have a safe, standardised batch.
People have died from tea, so don't go getting all reckless on us. =)

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Here's SWIMS recipe for poppy head tea. If made with plain water it
usually tastes like ass. Make it this way for a beverage that
tastes as good as it feels:



SWIM usually has a fairly easy time of coming across P. Somniferum v.
giganthemum pods at the local flower shop. The nice little old
lady in there sells them, 3-4 inches around, already drilled and the
seeds gone, and the stems are only 1-2 inches long. Not the long
stem ones you usually find at flower shops. They "must be for tea"
instead of arrangements She sells
them for $0.25 per pod, and these big pods, on average, weigh 5 grams
each. That makes SWIMS tea buzzes a quarter, or 50 cents each,
depending on how strong he wants it.



Anyway, from this source I find that 5 grams is usually a good starting
point for a buzz. It's always better to specify a weight rather
than how many pods, because different type pods weigh differrently each
one. You can get a nice digital kitchen scale that weighs up to
1KG, and can be selected for grams or ounces, at those kitchen supply
stores for around $20.



Now you need to find some Yogi Tea (available from on-line herb shops,
or your local health food store). Yogi Tea consists of a mix of
cinnamon, black pepper, cardamom, ginger, cloves, fennel, and licorice
root. Put about 1 teaspoon of yogi tea in 12 ounces of water (per
serving), bring to a boil, and simmer for 20 minutes.



While the yogi tea is cooking, break up your pods by hand and place in
a coffee grinder, grind it to a powder. After the 20 minutes of cooking
the yogi tea, and with the heat still on the pot, add all the poppy
head powder, and stir while heating for 2 minutes. Now turn off
the heat and let it steep for 15-20 minutes more.



Run the whole mess through one of those wire-mesh kitchen strainers and
into your cup. The wire mesh strainer will catch all the yogi tea
bits, and the coarser pieces of poppy. Sweeten to taste with
honey, drink and enjoy. A shot of Bailey's Irish Creme in there
is nice too, but not needed. Either way it will be quite tasty.



Do not filter with coffee filters or the like, just use the coarse wire
mesh strainer. It's OK and even desireable to have the fine poppy
powder sludge in your cup, there's good stuff to make you happy in that
sludge. So remember to keep stirring your cup as you drink it, to
get all that sludge down the hatch.



As peeps have mentioned above, you CAN OD on poppy head tea. And
to specify how many pods to use can be dangerous. In my
experience, most of the pods have roughly the same strength to them by
weight. But pods can be small, 1-1.5 inches diameter, and pods
can be large, 3-4 inches diameter, or anything in between. 3-4
small pods can be the same buzz as one giant one. So I urge
anyone who wants to do this to buy a cheap digital kitchen food scale,
and use it like a religion. Peeps who are not regular opiate users
should start off with 5 grams by weight of pod material. You can
always work your way up from there.



Don't be drinking or already drunk, and then decide to have poppy
tea. The synergistic action of alcohol and opiates can kill
you. Also as mentioned above, the buzz can take a while to come
on, and it will last a long time, 8 hours easily. So if you take
your tea made from 5 grams of pod material (defined as the dry pod flesh without any seeds or stems), and you think it might not
be enough, wait 90-120 minutes after the first cup to be sure it isn't
enough before you prepare a "booster" cup of tea. Please be safe,
and enjoy



If you are using seeds and or stems, you'll need more than 5 grams dry
weight material, as they are weaker than the pods. The entire
plant, rooots, stems, leaves, seeds and pods contains opium, but the
highest concentration is in the fleshy part of the pods.


Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo

Reputation Comments on this post:

Nice informing tea recipe, SWIM is going to enjoy some later !

[Richard_smoker]

You can also make an opium resin by chopping up the dried pods and then soaking them your choice of solvent: SWIM prefers ethanol (everclear) mixed with water. He also throws in lemon juice and vitamin C tablets--as these supposedly activate more alkaloids... (?not sure... he's only done it in an acidic environment with lemon juice and vitamin C.)

SWIM has soaked the ground pods from several days to several weeks... he hasn't noticed much difference after a couple of days soaking.

you filter out the solids (through a t-shirt or whatever)

and then you evaporate off the water/ethanol over low heat using multiple pans. you don't want to boil the water/ethanol because you could ruin the good stuff.

Use some big capsules (size-OO or OOO) and cram the resin junk in there. If it's too hard to work with, you can throw back some fresh ground pods to soak up the gooey-ness.

but as far as smoking vs. eating--SWIM says EAT in capsules. it will blow your brains out!

[AceOvArts]

take 20 dried pods (of your common or garden Papaver somniferum) split them and empty pods of seed. Grind up the pods in a coffee grinder to make as fine a powder as possible. boil up some water (3 parts water to 1 part powder) in a pan when the water has boiled turn the heat down so the water is simmering and add in the powder. Give it a stir and leave to simmer for 30 mins.
Strain the mixture through a seive to remove the larger plant material and put the resulting liquid back in the pan to simmer for a further 20 mins. filter the liquid through a coffee filter (this might take a few filtering sessions as the filters tend to clog up). Once the finer plant material is filtered the resulting liquid should be dark brown in colour and should also not be very thick in consistancy (if it is you used wither too little water or you havend simmered for long enough). The resulting liquid can be simmered to reduce amount even further down (you should leave yourself enough for 2 cups of tea). After this, add sugar or honey to taste and neck it. There are other methods, some people add lemon juice to make the liquid more potent, but if youve done this right you should get a good buzz.
SWIM is writing this now with a warm fuzzy from some tea he made earlier (in fact he is feeling a little nausious cos it was a bit too strong)
So it does work and works well.

[AceOvArts]

Its a great way to get an opium buzz (if you dont have a heavy tolerance to opiates that is). In SWIMs experience its good to read up on methods of making the tea and follw to the letter http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_info2.shtml

but you should experiment, SWIM finds adding more water and simmering longer seems to be a bit better.
But dont rush it cos you will get a thick liiqud thats real hard to stomach.

[Richard_smoker]

SWIM prefers the Ice-O-Lation technique.

I'm sure it's here somewhere, but just to give the quick rundown, here's what you do:
1. take dry pods from (source) and grind them up to powder in blender or coffee grinder.
2. place powder in a large plastic jug from walmart.
3. fill up jug with with water. Fill to exactly 4X the amount of powdered pods.
4. leave water/pods at room temp for 2-4 hours. shake periodically.
5. decant/pour liquid from from podwater into another container (SWIM pours thru a wire mesh collander thing. just don't pour pieces of powder into the new bottle if you can help it.)
6. replace the pod vegetable material and refill original jug with water.
7. Take new bottle and put in freezer. leave it there for several hours, until ice begins forming... now, watch ice-formation until about 1/3 or 1/2 of the water has turned to ice. When this happens...
8. Strain out ice and solids thru metal wire collander thing again and throw out ice and solids.
9. return ice-o-lated liquid to freezer.
10. take your original jug of plant material and water and repeat steps 5 & 6 a couple more times, always adding to the original freezer bottle.
11. keep pouring out bottle from freezer and tossing ice that has collected. Do this about 3-4 times...
12. when you've pretty much exctracted everything from vegtable material (you'll know, the water is not nearly as brown), then toss out the chopped pod material.
13. Once pods are tossed into trash, you can take your cold water from an ice-removal step, and actually run it ONCE through a coffee filter to remove those tiny bits of pod dust. this will take forever, and I usually cheat by stirring the shit around on the filter or by getting new filters out because the tiny particles clog and clump up around the filter.
14. Now that you have clean brown water, you might want to try and freeze it one more time--it doesn't matter. as you'll notice, the ice is slower and slower to form, as result of the high concentration of alkaloids, morphine in particular.
15. pour out your cold liquid onto glass pans and place in oven set at 150. If you want to be fast, leave oven open and set up fans blowing into and around oven to circulate out the humid air and to re-introduce 'dry air' to the oven.
16. eventually, you'll have nothing but dried-on shit in your pans. Take a razor blade and scrape it all up. Now you've got nothing but great brown powder full of morphine or whatever it is that makes you feel good and itch like crazy. do whatever you want with this powder. eat it, smoke it, add it to your drinks, press into resin, whatever. it's yours. just don't shoot it!

[tooktomuch]

do a search.

swim has done this.

take 2 oz. of hens and chickens seeds and place in a jar. add lemon juice to just cover the seeds. swin lets this sit for about 2 to 3 hours stirring often. strain. and drink some of the juice if not all. but all the swims out there need to be warned that each dose can be different. sometimes just a little is needed and sometimes swim needs to drink all the juice.


you can also use to poppie pods. take a good variety ( swim uses hens and chicks ) crush up the pods, boil to pods in water then strain. the remaining juice can be drunk or, swim can pour the juice in a glass container , like a cake pan BUT made of glass. let all the water evaporate off. use a razor to scrape up the crystals and smoke them.

[Forthesevenlakes]

First time users may not want to use more than 3 pods, and increasing the amount should be done gradually since its impossible to know the alkaloid content before one inbibes the tea. So be careful and dont overdo it because an overdose CAN happen with tea!

[peregrin23]

Originally Posted by bass

never boil (don't exceed 80 degrees c.) and use more than 3 pods

Swim once made a sizeable amount of tar through first adding vinegar to water and pods till it could be smelt,than boiling till pods crumpled,than simmering and reducing,this produced a product swim has yet to try rhe better of,did he make a mistake in boiling?

[Forthesevenlakes]

Boiling seems to damage the opium alkaloids, so SWIY may have destroyed some of the desirable product. If SWIY ends up assaying the tea, go slow with it anyway, and please report if there was any effect!

[Alicia]

strange swia ages ago did something with a smokeable evaporation using vinegar for the acid it contains seem to create a different effect when smoked but boiling must be avoided as forth said it degrade the alkaloids that are worth while.

[Bajeda]

If swim can get opium tar but not the actual pods how easy would it be for him to make tea? He enjoys opium quite a bit but would like to try something other than smoking some time. Any advice?

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

If swim can get opium tar but not the actual pods how easy would it be for him to make tea? He enjoys opium quite a bit but would like to try something other than smoking some time. Any advice?

Its the same principle with making poppy pod tea only use an empty tea bag with dry powdered opium. be aware thou it is more potent then pods alone.
may find this helpful Bajeda
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...658#post190658

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Alicia

strange swia ages ago did something with a smokeable evaporation using vinegar for the acid it contains seem to create a different effect when smoked but boiling must be avoided as forth said it degrade the alkaloids that are worth while.

In theory, SWIA might have acetylated the morphine in SWIA's opium to heroin, which ofcourse makes it stronger.

[johnny_socko]

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Swim had ordered a bunch of pods (50) with stems and seeds off e**y. (legal) They are smallish/medium. Swim has read some posts about brewing here: (Swim thanks Swialicia)

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...658#post190658

First he twisted the pods off the stems, which leaves the bottom open and makes it easier to shake out the seeds. (for planting later) Next, popped the heads in batches into the krups coffee grinder. It did make powder out of the pods, but, some of the tougher pieces needed to be broken smaller by hand and grinded a second time to finish them proper. Due to the size, he chose 13 (for luck ) as the correct # of pods. The water (2 cups) was brought to a boil in which He dumped the powdered pods into to scald them and then removed the heat. Stirring on occasion, the tea was allowed to steep for approx 20min. Swim has a auto-drip style coffee pot w/a pop up lid for loading. He took advantage of this for filtering the leftover silt. Pouring slowly till full, waiting (patiently) for the majority to drain. He found the need to lift the filter out and squeeze to remove the final quantities of remaining tea. The filter ripped a little, so he popped a fresh one in its place and finished squeezing into that.

The resultant fluid was a brownish/amber color. The flavor seemed decent and he couldn't figure out why so many others thought it grotesque. He started by consuming half the liquid that evening. Swim was pleasantly surprised to find the effects smoothly coming on and at the end of the 1st hour decided to tip half the remaining nectar for further enhancment. Low and behold the beverage was working well, yet, He waited another hour and guess what ?, Yessss, he finished the tea. (who would have thunk it !) Swim's buzz for that evening was very nice, no real nodding or such, the itching started <1hr and didn't cease until the next day wake up. He was trying for a heavier style buzz and never really got there. The effects did seem to linger though. Swim woke up still buzzing, which made for slow going initially. Next time Swim will brew a few extra pods and consume all right away for a more severe impact. Note; that he has heard other types of pods may be stronger, and that Swiy may need fewer for same results. My first experiment was taking the incremental doses to test potency. Swim suggests you do the same.

Cheers !

JS
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[Forthesevenlakes]

Some strains are bred to be more potent than others, the tasmanian variety comes to mind. Apparently 2-4 pods are used with these ones. Given that pods themselves have varying potency, so 1/2 a pod might be a place to start to test the potency...although SWIM doubts it would get someone high. 13 pods of a decent strain would be too much though. Best to err on the side of caution with opiates though, its easy to forget that just because its tea that it can be lethal. Personally SWIM would start with a few pods but take it slowly. Just SWIM's opinion though.