1,3-dimethylamylamine (geranamine)

[Nagognog2]

Further experiments are not planned. One has a feeling that trying to ramp-up an adrenergic compound such as this would likely do nothing better than cause a pounding headache. Useful, though limited, for waking one up on a long drive or something.

[Desertfox]

as far as i can tell i'd have to agree with nagognog

[kailey_elise]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

SWIM acquired a gram of the pure 1,3-dimethylamylamine, which is used in a bodybuilding product called "Amp" by Ergopharm. It is ostensibly a relatively unknown stimulant, discovered in the 1950s and abandoned at some point (others can elaborate if they want, I'm a bit sketchy on details).

Some quick research in a favorite search engine brings one to a page where a sample of the product mentioned above is available. The forms were filled out, and some aquaintances are now awaiting their samples.

The product is described thusly:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

So, I suppose the question is, if one were to skip the usual morning cup of coffee, would one get a good idea if this compound (1,3-dimethylamylamine) would be beneficial by the use of xxxxxxxxxxxxx? I know people that are interested in this chemical that would like to get an idea of it's effects before making a larger purchase...

~Kailey

DON'T POST SOURCE INFO!

[Nagognog2]

Ahem...

That material was against the rules as it directed one to a source/name etc.

It also was extremely misleading in not breaking down quantities of the 1,3-dimethylamylamine itself. Someone out there could have concluded that 650mg of this material would be a dose - and gotten really sick. Or worse.

Last Analysis - when it wears off it can make you sleepy. As a replacement for morning coffee? Not for most people. Unless your job is as a mattress-tester in a department store.

[sam o]

A bit confused here, the first couple of post had nothing but positive things to say about it,one reffering to "the best legal chem. available" the next thing you know ,it's hardly being compared, to a cup of coffee.

I don't understand, how the ones that said it was a pretty good stim., can make a total 360, and say it's not worth the bother. I guess,you'll have to take the "suck it up, and see for yourself" approach. with this one!!

Keep posting!!!!!

[kailey_elise]

I'm terribly sorry; as the the product name and manufacturer had been mentioned previously, I didn't think it qualified as a "source", as I didn't post a link, just the info I found after searching on the name provided...

Please excuse the misstep, I really didn't think it was against the rules.

The question regarding the coffee was because the product alledges that it has the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee (140mg), so if one skipped their usual coffee, it could maybe give a more accuate picture of the product.

I was also going to comment on the mg issue, asking if anyone knew more about how much of the other products it contained (or knew how to find out - I think I'll just try emailing the manufacturer), as only 140mg was devoted to the caffeine, leaving 510mg for other stuff which seemed FAAAR too large to be just the 1,3-dimethylamylamine, or even half! heh.

I wonder if caffeine helps overcome the sleepy effects upon comedown?

Anyway, the people I know willing to try it will let me know; one in particular has become reasonably sensitive to most stimulants in the last few years, that perspective will be interesting. Curious as to whether it would be worth it to anyone I know to procure the solitary chemical.

Again, sorry about posting source info! I really didn't intend to!

~Kailey

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Ahem...

That material was against the rules as it directed one to a source/name etc.

It also was extremely misleading in not breaking down quantities of the 1,3-dimethylamylamine itself. Someone out there could have concluded that 650mg of this material would be a dose - and gotten really sick. Or worse.

Last Analysis - when it wears off it can make you sleepy. As a replacement for morning coffee? Not for most people. Unless your job is as a mattress-tester in a department store.

[Nagognog2]

Don't worry about it. You didn't get a warning. We all misss a few things. Anywho - don't believe the hype from companies on the net. I looked through older chatter out there from body-builder groups. There is so much dis-information out there it's pathetic. And people trying to sell geranamine for figures around the price of a car per gram! Pure hookum.

The solitary molecule can be found - and dirt cheap, too. For about the price of a jar of instant coffee. Bongo is running low on coffee...

[nanobrain]

so the Great Quest/ion stands to be rephrased - has a stimulant in fact been invented that consistently beats a cup of good coffee?

[kailey_elise]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Don't worry about it. You didn't get a warning. We all miss a few things.

And that is appreciated, by the way - thank you.

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Anywho - don't believe the hype from companies on the net. I looked through older chatter out there from body-builder groups. There is so much dis-information out there it's pathetic. And people trying to sell geranamine for figures around the price of a car per gram! Pure hookum.

Ah, I rarely believe company hype, just here and there I've heard decent things regarding geranamine, so I told my friends I didn't see any harm in trying it out, just not to expect much, heh heh heh. And people are just @ssh0les...as well as gullible. *sigh*

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

The solitary molecule can be found - and dirt cheap, too. For about the price of a jar of instant coffee. Bongo is running low on coffee...

Yeah, but what's dirt cheap compared to free? *grin* They even pay shipping! *LOL* *evil grin*

Thanks again for your help, and for everyone's opinions and experience reports - keep 'em coming!

~Kailey

[Davidbell]

seems that thread to be over.

Any SWIM still have had experiment with mixed substance to give great hight than Geranamine alone ?

[sam o]

Yea, I was kind of disapointed ,after reading the first few posts about it,how positive it all sounded and now, NOTHING at all

Hopefully, this tread will continue

[snapper]

SWIM thinks that it is best left as a mild stimulant that combines with caffeine well but not so far with other stimulants (increases peripheral side effects). It is also useful for weight loss and does have a mild buzz to it. In higher doses, it is unpleasant (rapid heart rate, elevated bp, etc) and does not have that dopamine rush found with drugs like MDPV, meth, etc. SWIM does not want to push the dose higher than about 30 mg for fear of worsening side effects. SWIM's pretty much done with this substance and will finish it up in low doses as an adjunct to SWIM's morning coffee..
let the tread continue...

[Davidbell]

I'ts funny to see how swim's in some bodybuilding forum were comparing 8 Amp to be similar to cocaine... Guess I prefer some review from a drug forum. Thanks Snapper and everyone.

Keep swimming

[fastandbulbous]

Surely this should actually be called 2-amino-3-methylhexylamine (longest carbon chain denotes root name in IUPAC nomenclature)

[Nagognog2]

F&B: It was first synthesized and researched in the mid-1940's. Hence it's got a whole bunch of screwy designations! LOL.

[blinkKDX]

swim finds this chemical to cause adrenal burnout very quickly.. effects are also quiet short lived, but he gets insane rushes of adrenaline while working out while on "amp" compared to any other simulant.

[sam o]

Originally Posted by blinkKDX

swim finds this chemical to cause adrenal burnout very quickly.. effects are also quiet short lived, but he gets insane rushes of adrenaline while working out while on "amp" compared to any other simulant.

How short lived is it(hrs./ min.?) Did swim's get an insane adrenaline rush on 1,3-dimethylamylamine, or "amp".If it's the "amp" it's most likely due to the caffeine.(an ingredient in amp.)

[blinkKDX]

no.. its not the caffeine.. its the 1,3.. many people report it working great giving great focus, great energy, not good focus but insane mind muscle connection, etc.

from what swim has seen the results given from this chemical vary (of course) but for swim the effectslast only a good 2-3 hours followed by a very harsh crash...
these results are not typical of most users..

[sam o]

Originally Posted by blinkKDX

no.. its not the caffeine.. its the 1,3.. many people report it working great giving great focus, great energy, not good focus but insane mind muscle connection, etc.

from what swim has seen the results given from this chemical vary (of course) but for swim the effectslast only a good 2-3 hours followed by a very harsh crash...
these results are not typical of most users..

I wasn't trying to undermind you, I was just wondering if it was "amp" or 1,3-dimethylamine that was taken?

[Stuck]

its hard to tell if someone is talking about amp or 1,3. has any of SWIYs tried 1,3 and amp separately? different effects?

swim finds this very intriguing and is interested in purchasing some amp or 1,3.

[Stuck]

bah, i wish i could edit my post.

i also found this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050700913.html

swim is wondering, did they remove Methylhexaneamine from amp's production?

[bob_arctor]

Stuck: The 'formula' is unchanged according to the AMP manufacturer at least. Says the only difference is the geranamine is in smaller print as far as SWIM remembers...

SWIM has done some bioassying with 1,3-dimethylamine, nothing conclusive as of yet, but it is not a potent stimulant. Will post more later.

It is probable that the chocamine in AMP accounts for a sizeable portion of the stimulatory effects, with its methylxanthines.

[Nagognog2]

Also bear in mind that some stimulants act synergestically with one another. Such as the mixture of ephedrine and caffiene seem to compliment each other.

[Stuck]

SWIM's supply of AMP arrived today. He rushed home from school during second period to test it out. He swallowed 3 of the pills and he insufflated 1/3 of one pill. He felt an instant onset after the insufflation. He returned to school with 2 pills in his pocket. He noticed a decent euphoria and was quite content. He took 1 more pill. From then on it felt like he was walking on a trampoline for the rest of the day. Very pleasant for the most part. One positive effect of AMP is the EXTREME productivity. SWIM actually felt like doing some work. He sat down during study hall, wrote a paper and completed a spreadsheet project. Lunch came, and swim was not hungry at all, despite not having eaten anything today. He forced himself to eat. After lunch he noticed the effects were wearing off a bit. He then swallowed his 5th pill that day. Shortly after, he started to come down rapidly. CRASH. By far the worst comedown of any drug he has ever experienced. Its like that feeling SWIY gets when SWIY has too much caffeine, and SWIY is awake but SWIY just feels like shit. Perhaps some of the negative effects were due to the large dose SWIM consumed. All in all, the (positive) effects lasted a good 3 hours and he thinks 3 would be the magic number, maybe even 4. Good euphoria and productivity. It is definately worthwhile, just don't do too much.

[Davidbell]

ppl seems to prefer the AMP blend rather than Geranamine only. for sure 1,3-dimethylamylamine , was not the "Key" ingrediant in it, or it has simply good synergy with the cocamine and caffeine. Too bad, I guess 1,3-dimethylamylamine alone is not a relevant substance. Too much Side?