Xtc Users =Low IQ?

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim use to do xtc back in the 1990s, as the drug grew to become more popular swim grew increasing frustrated with the users and their level of knowledge on the drug. Swim became so tired of people making claims that their roll had heroin in it or this or that that he eventually stopped talking to most people who do x or at least about it. Why does this drug attract stupid users.. What are your thought on it. Swim thinks its because it has become mainstream

[Nacumen]

A lot of XTC users act like 12 year old irresponsible princesses, and it's almost embarassing sometimes. I hope by saying that comment I didn't just ruin someone's future roll when the someone starts questioning whether he acts like a 12 year old girl . It's funny to me how obvious some of these people's selfishness (whether they act upon it or not) becomes while rolling.

I'd hate to think what an actual 12 year old princess would be like on rolls!

[namooP]

Drug use in general, due mainly to its negative hype (deserved or otherwise), tends to attract the lower echelons of society. Present company probably excluded. Therefore, drug users are more likely to abuse drugs, for example, because they are mostly idiots to start with - while alcohol abuse is comparatively small. Negativity breeds negativity.

[The Doors]

The general mediatic perception of drug users are people of low class when in reality, it is completely untrue. People from every different kind of economical classes do drugs, and everyone does them for different reasons. SWIM happens to believe that drugs can make one smarter if used with the right intentions.

SWIM has discovered many things about himself and the world, the universe and just a lot of knowledge in general through the usage of psychoactives.

What it really comes down to is if one has the thirst to gain as much as knowledge as he possibly can.

[fnord]

i dont belive heroin/coke has ever been found in xtc.swim notices alot of girls tend to use extacy as an excuse to be promiscus and has seen even more girls getting topless at partys because tehy took a roll.for some reason this opffends swim when it happens,dont know why.

[The Doors]

Originally Posted by fnord

i dont belive heroin/coke has ever been found in xtc.swim notices alot of girls tend to use extacy as an excuse to be promiscus and has seen even more girls getting topless at partys because tehy took a roll.for some reason this opffends swim when it happens,dont know why.

SWIM understands your view on the situation. First, it is degrading that woman do that just to get attention. Second, people like to use drugs and alcohol to excuse their stupid behavior.

[Spare Chaynge]

Much to swims dismay... swim belives that 2 tablets of xtc were found to contain heroin during the entire screening process of ecstacy.org. Swim does not belive how ever that it contained enough to be orally active.

Drugs in general do all that yall say . attracting lower classes. But xtc seems to attract lower classes that are just not informed about the drug they are taking.

swim asks people if he were to sell a random bag of powder with a symbol on the bag would they buy it???

[Mona Lisa]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

A lot of XTC users act like 12 year old irresponsible princesses, and it's almost embarassing sometimes. I hope by saying that comment I didn't just ruin someone's future roll when the someone starts questioning whether he acts like a 12 year old girl . It's funny to me how obvious some of these people's selfishness (whether they act upon it or not) becomes while rolling.

I'd hate to think what an actual 12 year old princess would be like on rolls!

If she were a real life princess, she'd be rich enough to just stick with good coke and champagne

Reputation Comments on this post:

LOL! Nice one

[flyinghamster]

Someone I don't know does the 3,4 and he is a supergenius

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM found it affected her short term memory and ability to think laterally. Fortunately the ability to think laterally and clearly returned after use stopped, though this took over two years to get 90% back. SWIM found that she suffered from this frustrating problem while undertaking postgraduate study.

And yet, swim has found that her visual memory has improved, making the study of decorative arts and art history easier for her; essay writing has also improved. Short term memory is still damaged though, especially verbally, though visual short memory is still intact.

SWIM gives daily thanks to the Lord for diaries and Word documents! Mobile phones are also a godsend so it looks as though she was born at the right time, LOL

But in all seriousness, SWIM's intellect couldn't have been too badly affected or she wouldn't have been able to successfully complete postgraduate work.

[chAos]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

It's funny to me how obvious some of these people's selfishness (whether they act upon it or not) becomes while rolling.

Strange, swim doesn't have a lot of experience with mdma/xtc but all the people he saw on it were very social and caring about other people.

[Nacumen]

Originally Posted by chAos

Strange, swim doesn't have a lot of experience with mdma/xtc but all the people he saw on it were very social and caring about other people.

Yes, I have also overwhelmingly found people to be very caring while rolling. But sometimes there are those who become blatantly uncaring and selfish. It is blatant because these people act in sharp contrast to those who are overtly empathic.

Also, sometimes you can see inner battles inside people, when a person's selfish nature is fighting his or her generous nature. From what SWIM has seen, the generous nature always wins these observable battles, probably thanks to the rolls. People who have such conflicts I would not characterize as selfish, but rather, normal. Perhaps it is the kind of person who does not struggle at all against his or her selfish nature that is truly the maliciously selfish kind.

[eltimmy]

quote: SWIM found it affected her short term memory and ability to think laterally.

Can you ascribe this for sure to use of MDMA? Was there polydrug use for the duration of "recovery"? Marijuana? Were there any illnesses? Depression? (a notorious cognitive fucker-upper) Was SWIM exercising?

[fnord]

Strange, swim doesn't have a lot of experience with mdma/xtc but all the people he saw on it were very social and caring about other people.


yes some peoiple are like that,it means swiy has good mature friends.but other people take extacy and turn into self degrading morons,these are the people that whoever started this post was talking about.not everyone acts like a moron on extacy *most* of swims friends act fine on drugs/trippping those that dont he looses respect for

[raven3davis]

Some pills have had cocaine tested....who knows why. A few pills have been tested for fentanyl. SWIM remembers claims of opiate based (heroin possibly) tabs and everyone was telling everyone else to shut the fuck up and there was not such a thing as an opiate based tab. Anyways....

SWIM doesn't think drug users have a low IQ, they are just uninformed and tend to believe the propaganda that is fed to them. MDMA is a wonderful drug. XTC on the other hand is a whole different story. Who knows what the fuck will be in the next batch of (insert pill stamp here) that comes through your town. METH BOMBS ARE BAD. molly is gooood. SWIM is all for ridding the world of meth, or at least getting it far from any x PILL SWIM wants to ingest. MDA/MDMA/MDXX/caffeine are the only ingredients SWIM thinks should be put into XTC pills. You wanna make SWIM nod off, then give him fentanyl blotter (yummy) or a pill that is clearly identified as fentanyl.

SWIM has stopped trying to convince people that xtc tabs don't have heroin. Informing some people just isn't worth the effort. just leave them be with their triple stacked, heroin based blue dolphin pill.

[Spiffster]

Originally Posted by The Doors

The general mediatic perception of drug users are people of low class when in reality, it is completely untrue. People from every different kind of economical classes do drugs, and everyone does them for different reasons. SWIM happens to believe that drugs can make one smarter if used with the right intentions.

SWIM has discovered many things about himself and the world, the universe and just a lot of knowledge in general through the usage of psychoactives.

What it really comes down to is if one has the thirst to gain as much as knowledge as he possibly can.

I agree... swim gets really into thinking deeply and learning while doing things like ecstacy and marijuana... swim uses drugs to cure writers block ocassionally....

[Spiffster]

as for the subject... SWIM really enjoys playing around and acting like a 12 year old princess... its not that Swim has a low IQ its just that they like to have fun... but I agree most of the bull crap is because its gone so mainstream.

[Spare Chaynge]

Also the type of personality created by x is a huge problem. Many people dont talk about the after affects of x even though it has been mentioned on the thread. Swim felt like his brain was in a tube of some type limiting his reason and thoughts. This lasted for a while and swim did not realize that he was limited untill 2 years afterwards.

[Peace Frog]

SWIM hasn't experienced this after affect... More like a mental exhaustion that goes away after a day or two...

SWIM also has a semi-theory on why X attracts the uninformed youth to more of an extent than other drugs...

The idea of sniffing, inhaling, or injecting something can easily be un-attractive to someone.. but if you go to a teenager (troubled or not, they all have some sort of stress) and say "Take this pill and you'll feel good.", then the results must speak for themselves.

When you think of it that way, it would probably be a LOT easier to convince a kid to take E than to sniff coke or even smoke up! The obvious roll they would have would make you out to be a saint rather than a dealer, and they'd want that feeling all the time, because kids can over-induldge.

Thus, uninformed kids tend to abuse E....

[kumar]

Im not sure about others, but swim has relized he can lie to the bul#*it when on e's, making promises to people is always bad then relizing the next day youve done so, f#*k what has swim done!

[pickledsheep]

SWIM'd say one main reason is that it is an easy drug. It would be pretty hard in SWIMs opinion to have an unenjoyable or difficult experience. This makes it easy to over indulge, and also attracts a crowd that isn't neseccarily looking to explore oneself. It's an odd drug as it crosses between psychedelics and things like coke/speed.

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by namooP

Drugmostly idiots to start with - while alcohol abuse is comparatively small. Negativity breeds negativity.

Are you kidding?

Swim and his class was taught at school, that smokers usually are not so intelligent than non-smokers, no, not taught, the teacher said it was his expirience, but he was a kind of cool though, he said he had a friend that is able to use heroin since many years without getting addicted, so to swim this teacher combined a negative with a posistive imgaing/conditioning propaganda,... -while negating the stronger negative drug-impression, induced by the propaganda against the "deadly, poisenous and violently addictive" heroin and combining it with a socially accepted drug use of smoking cigarettes, inducing there another predjudice in claiming smokers are stupid, which can hardly be true, if one was to think about it, made swim think about it all a bit harder when he was about 13-14 years old, and this is exactly the way one should take to convince people of drugs, and all the predjudice, to make rthem doubt in what´s being said and supposed to be implanted into their brains

[namooP]

I dont really follow your point, but I\'ll have a go. You are saying that.... uh... the teachers friend didnt get addicted to heroin, which is positive reinforcement - so people should question what they are being told? In that case, you missed my point.

[stoneinfocus]

Could well be, that I missed yur point, but I just wrote this anecdote because I remebered it and it fits to the image, resp. this thread -let me reiterate: drug users are more likely to come from a lower class of society and are morons for using drugs to begin with, so within this breed it´s more likely having drug related fatalities?

In contrast, alcohol abuse isn´t widespread or did you mean drug-users don´t abuse alcohol the same time they´re (ab-)using drugs?

[namooP]

I mean that given the amount of people who use pills compared to the amount of people who use alcohol - I know more people who take too many pills than drink too much alcohol (to blatently dangerous extremes, not getting drunk). The reason I think this is the case is because most ecstasy users I know are idiots. Some or the most intelligent people I know take pills but they are the vast minority. I speculated that this is the case because these idiots are more likely to disregard the negative propaganda, not from knowing better - but rather a "fuck da law" mentality. Meanwhile, the law-abiding, straight-laced boys and girls (who are generally pretty up-standing and beneficial members of society) steer clear of the terrorist-funding, brain-rotting drug menace, much prefering their two alco-pops of a Saturday night.