4-aco-dmt and 5-meo-mipt (Moxy) combo?

[willkell420]

Swim has recently obtained an amount of 4-aco-dmt and 5-meo-mipt. Swim was wondering if the substances were nice in combination. If so how would swim take the compounds, amounts and in what order? Also any info on tolerance with both substances, swim would appreciate. Also swim was wondering if cannabis has an affect on the experiences of either compound.

-Peace

[Nagognog2]

It would be advised to learn about each separately before SWIM plays with combinations. There is information available here. Use the search engine.

[willkell420]

Swim has experimented with 15mg 4-aco-dmt one day after using 5-meo-mipt at 7mg oral. The meo mipt at 7mg was just a slightly trippy buzz with nice body high for about 4 hours. The next night 15mg aco dmt had only slight effect, almost no visuals but a nice relaxed body high. Swim doesn't know if the reason he was not impressed with the aco dmt was because of a cross tolerance from the prior night. If that is the case, would it take the typical 1 week to loose a meo mipt tolerance, even if it is a cross tolerance?

-Peace

[Nagognog2]

Yes, a cross-tolerance is quite likely even if one didn't use a significant amount of Y or Z when dealing with tryptamine-based psychedelics.

If you look around, you will find that 4-Acet-n,n-DMT is a powerful psychedelic similar to psilocin. Though the dosage may need to be adjusted upwards due to the bulky acetyl group. 10 days is optimal for the tolerance to run it's course.

[willkell420]

O.K this has nothing to do with a combo. But last night swim took 20mg 4-aco-dmt and within an hour was tripping simular to what you would expect from 2g of cubensis. What swim was wondering is if it is normal to itch like one was on opiates after insufflation of 4-aco-dmt. About 2 hours after the 20mg oral dose, swim insufflated 10mg more and within a half hour was itching like swim had taken an 80mg oxycontin. Is this normal? Do tryptamines cause histamine type reactions?

-Peace

[Beeker]

SWIM needs at least 7 days between any Tryptamine or it's kind of a waste. SWIM could do 5-meo-mipt every 4 days but SWIM almost never gets more then a body head buzz and shimmer from the chemical.

SWIM thinks two weeks is best really.

Oh an on topic, SWIM thinks 4-ho-mipt and 5-meo-mipt or shrooms and 5-meo-mipt, at 5mg 5-meo-mipt and a low level 2 OEV of the other, adds a very plesent body buzz element while lowering frame slipping / mindfuck / extremely heavy time distortions thus raising the recreational value for SWIM.

SWIM once said that 5-meo-mipt orally and any major spiritual 'alone time' seemed to get swallowed and pointless at the egoloss 'event horizon.' Sort of like putting a cheap rubber spare tire on a Ferrari or putting fancy huge bling/bling wheels on a rusty 1983 Yugo ... sure you could do it and get somewhere but you're only fooling yourself if you thought you got anything useful from it.

[willkell420]

So I suppose swim will try these in combo, though swim was hoping to get some feedback from a swim who had experince with these two first. Any suggestions to amount, method, and timing?
-Peace

[nanobrain]

5-MEO-MIPT has a log d/r curve and has humbled more robust rodents than any other chemical when the doses are carelessly scaled up.

my suggestion would be to thoroughly research the effective dose of each substance alone before venturing into combination territory. i reckon for these particular two compounds, the synergetics would not be particularly noteworthy, outweighed by negatives of the hypermanic stimulation of the 5-MEO-MIPT.

[vantranist]

SWIM doesnt understand why everyones tolerance gets so high... mabye SWIM is different but he can trip on 4-aco-dmt once every other day... with a dose as high as 30mg.

[joechip666]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

5-MEO-MIPT has a log d/r curve and has humbled more robust rodents than any other chemical when the doses are carelessly scaled up.

...the synergetics would not be particularly noteworthy, outweighed by negatives of the hypermanic stimulation of the 5-MEO-MIPT.

Agreed. SWIM once combined 4-HO-MIPT with a very small dose of 5-MEO-MIPT and was in fear for his life from the cardio-vascular symptoms (highly elevated pulse!). SWIM is convinced that this was an intensification of the effects ot the 5-MEO-MIPT rather than the 4-HO-MIPT since SWIM has never felt anything like them from even massive doses of 4-HO-MIPT when used alone. Scariest RC experience SWIM has ever had.

Also, be very careful with the 5-MEO-MIPT even if used alone. It's d/r curve is unpredictable in that the same dosages can have very different levels of intensity at different times.

[Nagognog2]

Absolutely! 5-MeO-MiPT is the most unpredictable one of the lot. Just a milligram or two can make all the difference between mild and horrific. Each person different.