Spiritual - Did John C Lilly have it right? Is there something else...?

[Optimus]

SWIM has been a recreational drug user for around 10 years, he has played around with everything aside from the big H and has never once hurt himself, anyone else, lost a job, done anything stupid, OD'd, or even burnt the toast while enjoying all manner of experiences. You could say that SWIM has looked to push the boundaries on a fair few occasions and has happily spent the odd day or three alone in various states locked in his mind and mulling everything over from whether athletes foot is an irritation or a mild pleasure. Anyways, SWIM is comfortable with drugs, he knows his limits, (which to many people would be frighteningly high) but he is sensible and he always makes sure his activities do not effect those around him in a negative manner and that his life does not fall on to the long slippery slope to big issue salesmanship...

However, SWIM has in the last 6 months discovered a new love affair with K. It has affected SWIM in ways that no other recreational drug over the years ever has and at first he thought perhaps it was his mind playing tricks on him, and a few folk around him seemed dubious that SWIM was perhaps taking a little too much interest in K and was giving it more credit that it deserved.

SWIM had tried K a few times before but only around last xmas did he have a proper solo session with K, and has since had numerous solo sessions with it. After the first few meetings with the K-Hole proper SWIM found himself being able to see his life as if it was a timeline but one that he could visualise possible future occurances, while linking their reasoning to the past. SWIM also felt a new peace and calm with himself as if realising some kind of inner peace or understanding that the existance SWIM thought of as normal was in fact nothing of the sort and SWIM had been allowed to glimpse a quick moment of what really is.

But surely this is nonsense SWIM asked himself? SWIM after all has been a highly cynacle individual for most of his adult life.. Surely K is merely a recreational drug that was discovered out of its use in medicenal arenas?

WRONG

SWIM likes to know what he his taking, he likes to understand it and realise any potential that might be there, so it alarmed SWIM to realise upon a little research that K has been reported to have cured depression and alcoholism. This is perhaps no great surprise SWIM thought to himself, a mind dissasociative surely is a powerful tool and to be left alone with just ones mind can only result in certain realistions.

Anyway, after a couple of visits to the K-Hole proper SWIM noticed a feeling of complete ego loss. As if the things that usually bothered SWIM were just menial trivial little things and that SWIM was now able to realise the bigger picture of what life is actually about. Its about this time that I should mention that SWIM had spent some time researching 9/11 and the numerous pieces of evidence that suggest we were lied to and that what we see and think as being real or true is precisely just that.. what we THINK as being real or true..

Now you may be wandering where this is going, but please bear with me, this is the first tim I have written all this out, and I hope that maybe there are one or two others who have experienced similar.

Continuing on with his use of K, SWIM started to realise a number of new abilities, the realisation of patterns and coincidence in SWIM;'s life became even more pronounced to the piont where everything that was happening around him almost seemed to be pointing in a direction as if acting as some kind of sign. Metaphors and patterns and coincidence litterally seeping out of ever moment as SWIM's K use became almost daily.

SWIM had a few K-Hole proper experiences and came out of them uttering words that he had no control over, as if being passed back to the normal world with a tit bit of evidence to work with.. "Trust me" and the rather strange "Theres something else" being two of the more prominant utterings.

SWIM began to realise that the 9/11 issue was not really about proving an individuals culpability, it was about realising the manner in which SWIM as a speicies had been manipulated and indoctrinated since birth by being force fed knowledge of events that he never experienced and therefore could never really justify the integrity of such knowledge.

We dont see things as they are, we see things as we are! (Anais Nin)

Despite having this interest in 9/11 well before his new found love affair with K SWIM was now seeing how 9/11 was working as a message and a metaphor for his own life while all this time being continually amazed at the amount of coincidences and strange little happenings that had been taking place in his life over a few short months, and all since SWIM had been using K. It seemed as if everything made sense, and that while on K SWIM was able to see the truth in everything and especially other people. SWIM is able to see through people while on K, see their motivations and understand their actions and see the unwritten consensual rules that we as people have no words for.

SWIM began having feelings that somehow music and sound is intrinsically related to the essence of life and what we really are beyond the flesh and bones. SWIM did not mention this to anyone as SWIM knew it was something that people around him would not be prepared to take on given SWIM's previous character as a miserable sod who thought death was the final end.

SWIM began to question whether he was in too deep, whether he was in the middle of an addiction and whether it was getting dangerous, so SWIM decided to look seriously in to Ketamine's history and try and gain an understanding of why so much monumental change and understanding of everything around him was able to come about with use of what was originally tried as a "clubbing drug".

SWIM cannot stress enough how many strange coincidences and patterns he had been experiencing in the last few months, it had become ridiculous, like something out of a movie.

It culminated with SWIM coming home from a club last week and while on K having the unmistakeable feeling that an old friend was not in a good way. SWIM couldnt do anything about it, it was 4am and this old friend was never the type to admit to anything being wrong even if it was.

SWIM called her the following morning just to say hi and found she had been in a car crash the previous night.

It had all become stupid, SWIM felt he was living in his own Matrix like film, where reality was playing games with him, and he could not even blame the drugs as when he told his friends about these weird happenings they all agreed that it was just too strange, too many things, too many petterns and coincidences.

So a couple of days ago SWIM looked in to the history of K and discovered the name John C Lilly, a respected scientist who pioneered the use of Ketamine and its abilities in reprogramming the brain. SWIM read in amazement as Lilly explained his ideas on the consious being a frequency, almost like soundwaves (explaining why music is so important to the human race). Lilly then went on to discuss ECCO (The Earth Coincidence Control Office) and how our lives as humans really are just that, its our frequency, our essence having a little shot at being human, and all these coincidences and patterns we see in our life have a force behind them orchestrating them so that our life is not actually this random existance we believe it to be.

All these thoughts and ideas and conclusions that SWIM had come to on his own through experiencing the K-Hole were all down in front of him, as if to validate his experience so he needn't feel he was going mad.

John C Lilly also pioneered communication with Dolphins (Thus the game ECCO the Dolphin) Its about frequency, our spirit, our essence could actually be a frequency that never dies and that mind dissacociatives like K are able to release and open us up to understand.

SWIM is not a particularly well educated guy, but he feels almost to have knowledge beyond his means, its a strange world we live in and SWIM suspects its far stranger than any of us could comprehend.

If you are still reading, I thank you for not slipping in to a coma.

Sapere Aude

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	Excellent post and well written. Facts are the truth, not information which can be twisted.
	good post man
	insightful

[little carrot]

If you are still reading, I thank you for not slipping in to a coma.

Sapere Aude[/quote]

It wasn't particularly easy not to nod off during the 9/11 parts...

[MrG]

Nice post there. Whilst I agree totally on the nature of Facts V (mis)information which is one of the most important elements of our society but also one of the most easily manipulated, I would always question "spiritual" drug experiences as most of it can be proven to just be chemical reactions in the brain causing these intense states.

As for K, it has already been proven as an excellent remedy for depression, probably through this whole "brain reprogramming" experience.

SWIM is currently toying with the idea of giving it a try though as he has yet to experience it first hand.

As for our "essences" it is a nice idea but then our essence (id) is more likely just a result of brain evolution. That we are simply "of ourselves".

Organic Intelligence.

[k-skywalker]

Yes, swim has been lookin about to see if anyone else had got all that you just said. Same has happened to swim. Some sort of enlightemnment, became at one with everything, seen his whole youth and what it meant. Not talking about the mad little experiences of K, this was different. Found the God in his self which is in everyone, not some seperate entity. We are all part of one god, one conscience. Everything is connected, lots of coincidences now (that are too much to be chance), total focus now(lost urge for drugs or drink ... funny statement), swim can see how we should be living and not this world we have created. Society is wrong (tribes may be right), humans have went wrong somewhere down the line. The animals live right and we are animals just like them, but we dont want to believe that. When swim finished reading his Ket book he was wondering where to go from there. He was lookin for John C Lilly's book or that doll who died in the forest.
Just remembered swim had a book called "the power of now". He had it years, never bothered about it. It is nothin to do with ket but directly related to it. It's about freeing your mind, path to enlightenment and how we are supposed to live which K actually does (handier way huh). Also mentions you can create an energy field ... and with group activity u can feed on your friends energy .. but one person has to be well established in it to hold the frequency of the energy and everyone can feel it with their hands etc and give each other more .... swim got this on k with few of his friends .,.. they cant get this on their own ... they keep feelin compeled to come to swim house all the time for more of this feelin..l crazy things are happenin .... its amazing ...u feel it around the whole room and u can move ur hands toward ur friends and it pushes them ... lots more happenin but dont like writin too much at one time ha ... k could save the planet .... either that or global warmin will .... if it is global warmin that is ... could be just a point in the planets usuall cycle .... ... chat soon

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oh and swim has been takin it for 6 months also .... except for a couple of days few weeks ago he could not get his supply in time .... although he has only now got better control over the use of it ... this message is a refelection of that as he would usually have been on planet k by now ... but gets normal stuff done during the day these days to get them out the way .,...

[asplinteredfawn]

SWIM has been a heavy Ketamine user over the past 6 years. Everyone thinks SWIM is out of his mind because for most people Ketamine is a " club drug " similar to a more dissociated form of alcohol. SWIM NEVER saw it as that, SWIM has always noticed how " special " Ketamine is. SWIM is also a frequent user of LSD and DMT, or I should say was. Now he is more of a sparse user of anything but Ketamine, Methadone ( clinic ), Xanax ( Not when taking Ketamine ) and Dextrostat. SWIM COMPLETELY identify with you, especially with the point you made about " coincidences building up to a point where you know something BIG is bound to happen. " Sorry to say, part of this is just the grandiose nature of the drug, but don't think he doesn't believe what you say. Ketamine is like a back door, or a hidden line of code in the " programming " of the world and no SWIM is not going matrix on you. He hates that movies, but it is true. There is much more to be seen and Ketamine can help us explore those avenues. I'm not exactly sure if it's because of the ego loss it self and the removal of distraction and the ability the think with out any restraints of the human language or guidelines. Even if that happens to be the case, Ketamine is more sacred then any botanically substance in my opinion, much further than LSD also. If you would like to talk more about this, message me on AIM ( ASPLINTEREDFAWN ). I don't really feel like I should be telling these secrets to anyone who can find this forum. But if you really have seen the things SWIM has seen then you know why I wont type it on here.

[Nature Boy]

Ketamine is a powerful dissociative which focuses on the serotonergic system generating emotions that mimmick a sense of cosmic unity, transcendal meaning, and for some, religious ecstasy. SWIM was fascinated with it when he first used it in K-hole dosage. He did feel that sense of wonder, that everything was connected, that he could sum up everyone he knew in his life in one solitary second of thought. This isn't entirely true however. Humans are complex creatures with endless inconsistencies, talents and flaws. One mini-epiphany triggered as a direct result of using a dissociative does not explain it all but perhaps offers an interesting, short-lived insight all the same.

[asplinteredfawn]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Ketamine is a powerful dissociative which focuses on the serotonergic system generating emotions that mimmick a sense of cosmic unity, transcendal meaning, and for some, religious ecstasy. SWIM was fascinated with it when he first used it in K-hole dosage. He did feel that sense of wonder, that everything was connected, that he could sum up everyone he knew in his life in one solitary second of thought. This isn't entirely true however. Humans are complex creatures with endless inconsistencies, talents and flaws. One mini-epiphany triggered as a direct result of using a dissociative does not explain it all but perhaps offers an interesting, short-lived insight all the same.

I couldn't agree more, SWIM doesn't necessarily believe he is intercepting cosmic knowledge while under the influence of Ketamine; he believes just your thinking has changed and is no longer " filtered " by NMDA in a way he guesses, or whatever the direct mechanism of the chemical is. Then after the use of the substance SWIM ponders for days, weeks, months and years writing down his thoughts about different experiences he had while in a K hole then he writes about them while hes sober then again writes about the experience while hes under the influence again to see if he may grasp something and get it down on paper. He goes back and tries to untangle all of the intangible parts that seemed so clear and lucid back while under the influence of Ketamine, so clear when he was able to dissosoceate from the reality that fills his daily life and blockades his true ability of " Pure Thinking ". I could tell you some spooky things about SWIM, if your in the mood drop me a PM or AIM me at ASPLINTEREDFAWN

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Best of luck in getting some of those insights on paper! If you can grasp it, let us know.