Experiences - Help for first salvia divinorum experience.

[kinka]

I have ordered 1gram of 10x extract of salvia, and intend to have my
first salvia experience next week, but I just need to ask some
questions so I don't screw up.



I am not really a smoker. My lungs are clean. So how much of my 10x
extract do you think it will take for me to have a calm experience. I
intend to start off with light doses and then gradually reach higher
levels.

Also, at first I intend to smoke the extract in joints. I hear that
this is possible if you keep a lighter lit at the end of the joint. SO
how much do you think I should use? My guess is at 1 small pinch with
tobacco, but I really don't know.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

[nicholson_tyler]

I hope you realize smoking it in a "joint" is wasting MUCH of the salvia..

"Also by smoking it in a joint, it is not combusting at a hot enough temperature to vaporize the salvorin A (sp?). To get the best results, use either a pipe or bong,( a bong would be your best bet). Also, when lighting it, use a torch or butane lighter and keep it lit the whole time your inhaling.. Inhale the bigest hit possible, and count to 20, then exhale, then WITHOUT taking a "breather" of fresh air, take another hit as big as possible, count to 20, let out, and if needed, repeat one or two more times.. "

Make a simple bong out of a pop bottle and, if you lack supplies, tin foil and a needle.. If worst comes to worst, make a gravity bong( very simple instructions can be found on the net)..If you want a very light experience i would sujjest 1/15th of a gram(personaly, i just eyeball it and throw in a pinch which usualy works out to 1/4th - 1 gram, but this is because i enjoy intense trips and never liked "light" salvia trips).. Trust me, when i originaly started with salvia years ago i wanted to smoke in a joint, but it was SUCH a waste (even for me who was making my own extract).. Do yourself a HUGE favor and use a pipe or bong.. If you INSIST on smoking it in a damned joint, roll a nice fatty of *gasp* marijuana and before you roll it closed, "lace" the whole thing with the salvia extract.. I've done this and it ensured that much more vaporized.. but still, as i and many before me, have said before, use a bong.. My BEST salvia experiences have all been from bongs, beacuse once you try bonging salvia you realize what a fool you are to try and smoke it from a joint.

[kinka]

Ok then, I will use a bong.

I will buy a butane jet lighter today, and I have already made a bong.

Is it true that trip from bongs last a lot longer?

[nicholson_tyler]

Not necessarily longer, but definately more intense because you are getting more smoke in each "hit". To make my trips last longer i used to mix some weed in with the salvia when smoking it out of a bong, i don't know if this is some kind of placebo affect, (i am told it is), but it seems to make it go longer..

One time a bong gave me a nice hour long trip, i dont know how this is possible, but it did. Likely because the first 20 min was the most intense trip ive ever had in my life (smoked a few grams of 20x in a 2 L bong).. So perhaps it was just that because it was such an intense trip in the begining i was still coming down by the +60 min mark, but still tripping because it was so intense.. (if that makes sense)..If you knew how intense this trip was i think you would understand.. Right after my last hit, and rightwhen i came up, i got slapped in the face by an idiot freind and fell off a 5 foot cliff in his backyard into the marsh swamp.. You dont even want to know the things i saw/thought was happening when i fell..Aparently i was mumbling incoherantly to myself.. He aparently helped me back up but ask i stood up i thought my body ripped in half.. Leaving half of it in the swamp. My face then ripped apart and then thought i was a different person (ie. my hair color and eyes changed from dark brown to blond and blue).. Everything was making me paranoid and i realized the whole world was "in on it" and were going to kill me, including my freind who had a very strange grin.. I realized i was now one of "them" and couldnt let them know i knew what was happening.. We went to go back into his house abotu 10 min later in which i encountered his sister.. I then proceeded to start runnning away from here up the stairs to his room.. Then his mom called.. And still tripping as hard as i was i figured she some how KNEW i was trippinga nd was coming after me.. I then left his room and went to another where i kept walking in circles talking to myself to trya nd figure out what was going on. I sat down about 30 min later.. And realized his Zelda poster was waving at me and trying to kill me with his sword (was like a shroom trip at this point).. I was still getting visuals until about the +60 min mark and didnt feel completely baseline until about another hour later.. I am normaly a salvia hardhead, but i have a feeling something that contributed greatly to this bad trip was the fact i was kicked out of my house about 3 days prior and was staying with him. Even though it would be considered by most a "bad trip", it was worth it and i consider every trip, whether good or bad, worthwhile and a learnign experience.. *snaps out of rambling state*

Back to your question/comment. Use a bong, a nice butance "torch" lighter. I would recomend NOT doing as much as i did in the trip above, atleast for your first time hehe.. Instead do 1/10th or 1/4th of that 10x.. Then after you realize what salvia is like, go all out.. Well actualy just do what amount you think is good for you, i dont want to be responsible for someone ripping thier face off (not that you'd do that.. atleast i hope not.. lol jk).. If you trip hard, just take it in stride, the nice thing about salvia(also the bad thing) is the trip usualy doesnt last very long..I will end this post now or i could go on for another 10 paragraphs about nothing that answers your question.(In short, yes a bong probably does make it last somewhat longer because you get much higher.. Say for example you smoke in a jay and somehow get to a highness level of 3 out of 10.. well perhaps it only takes 20 min to baseline from a level 3.. If you do a bong and get to 6 out of 10,, it should take 40 min because it takes longer to come down from each level.. If you know what i mean, maybe you dont, maybe im to fried to explain or make sense..You will see what i mean though)

[kinka]

I'm making my own bong. Would it be possible to use something plastic
as the 'bowl' to put the mix in, or would the butane jet lighter just
melt the thing away?

[xplosiv]

that depends if u enjoy smoking plastic.
just use brass cone piece for the bowl.