Brainwave Generators - Computer Programs that gets you high?

[Buddah]

Well swims friend just sent him a program called IDose. It is suposed to get you high by messing with your brain waves or somthing (probaly totaly wrong cuz that sounds bad) Well swim was wondering if anyone else has tryed this or heard of it swim tried it but didnt listen to the whole session (30 min)

[D.U.M.B]

SWIM has tried it and has various postive effects with it

[pokeyjo304]

well it certainly sounds cool, a free high is a good high i guess, unless its bad...

[Micklemouse]

Buddah, is there any reason not to post a link here?

[Micklemouse]

Thank you for answering my question Zera - unfortunately links to commercial sites are not allowed, & Buddah, peddling cracked software or distributing non-free/GPL software treads a thin line of legality.

[zera]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Thank you for answering my question Zera - unfortunately links to commercial sites are not allowed, & Buddah, peddling cracked software or distributing non-free/GPL software treads a thin line of legality.

Okay, well then at least allow me to correct the original poster. The software is not called IDose, the actual name is I-Doser.

One other thing, before passing judgement on this program (it seems to work well for some people, and be inneffective for a lot others) make sure to try it with high quality STEREO headphones, not just your computer speakers.

[PingoTango]

I'm sorry, but can no-one else see that this nothing more than money-making bullshit? Scanning this product's forums, about 60% of users report that it has no effect, and the other 40% say that the effects that they have experienced are more akin to a deep meditative state rather than simulations of drug experiences. The phrase "False Advertising" seems to be being thrown around a bit on there too.


The fact that you have to repeatedly buy each one-use "dose" speakes volumes I think.

Nice idea, but I think SWIM's gonna stick to his real deal substances for now...

[BobTheGreat]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Thank you for answering my question Zera - unfortunately links to commercial sites are not allowed, & Buddah, peddling cracked software or distributing non-free/GPL software treads a thin line of legality.

I-Doser is freeware. Check the third link on a google search.

WTF?!? They charge for "doses." Thank god there are torrents readily avaliable not that I would break the law by doing such a thing

[Riconoen {UGC}]

the program wont even work for me. Oh well, a wizard told me he downloaded alot of the tracks it uses from p2p programs. I will post a report if anything happens tommorrow.

[darkglobe]

This software is similar (although in my opinion inferior) to Brainwave Generator by Noromaa Solutions. Google it for URL. The programs use Binaural beats (read about them here) to encourage the primary resonant frequency of the brain towards the desired frequency.

I won't go into too much detail, but the basis of my point is that, although on many entrainment software forums the drug-alternative use is described, these programs are much more useful in meditation, mental relaxation and self-hypnosis than any "digital drug" bullshit.

On the other hand, these type of programs can quite easily (in most people, some individuals just aren't compatible with it) induce meditative states which some may work on to experience a form of altered consciousness. Also, if sleep paralysis is enjoyable (for some it is) then you may find these programs useful for inducing the state.

A WARNING: Brainwave entrainment software which uses Binaural Beats (as the ones mentioned above do) are NOT suitable for use by those suffering from epilepsy, as seizures would be likely. Also, use by those individuals who are under the influence of drugs is highly discouraged as these programs actually lower the seizure threshold. Yummy!

Have fun with 'em tho, but try and give respect to the companies and pay for them, yeah? The free version of Brainwave Generator is good enough for anyone though. The preset library presets are shit anyway (but I didn't say that!).

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[Riconoen {UGC}]

well swim tried two of the brainwave things with his headphones, marijauna and morphine, marijuana sounded like radio static and it was very hard to listen to the whole 55 minutes of it without becoming VERY bored. It didn't do anything. Morphine did seem to do something though, the sound was like a low pitched electronic humming, again, listening to it all the way through was extrmemly boring, but it did seem to induce something, he felt very relaxed and good all over, whether it was placebo or the real deal is unknown to swim at the time.

He'll ry some more tracks, XTC, crystal meth, and cocaine next...

[darkglobe]

Bwgen is better, Riconoen.

A short explanation of how these systems work:

The brain (or Brian, according to some) operates at a certain frequency. In fact, the brain operates at many different frequencies at once (this can be proven with an EEG machine). The overall, main frequency of the brain determines (allegedly) a person's level of consciousness.

This is over-simplified, but the different frequency bands have different effects. Consider this:

• Delta: 0.5Hz - 4Hz - Deep sleep
• Theta: 4Hz - 8Hz - Drowsiness (first stages of sleep)
• Alpha: 8Hz - 14Hz - Relaxed but alert
• Beta: 14Hz - 30Hz - Highly alert and focused

These programs encourage the overall frequency to move toward their values. Example, one listened to binaural beats @ 5Hz. Chances are, if they concentrated on the beat and listened to for long enough, they would be almost falling asleep.

I have found that the method does not work in everybody, though. I personally find it useful, although have never experienced drug-like effects.

Hope this helps.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

Well after trying a few more tracks I'm of the opinion that it's mostly placebo and meditative state stuff. While the peyote track did make me see fractals and stuff for a few minutes if I meditate really hard I can induce mild hallucinations on myself all the same. The coke track did nothing, the XTC track made me feel more energized but it qiuckly went away. I've been trying to keep an open mind throughout my little experiment and not pass judgement on this program. But my conclusion is that this is money grabbing snake oil bullshit. That listeing to radio static will NOT get you high. It may be helpful in inducing a meditative state, but so will ambient music. Don't waste your money on this, get your swim to go try the real thing if he wnts to get high. or take meditation classes.

[Dvgrn]

Swim has it now, but doesnt have headphones. Shucks.

[FatBob]

SWIM tried a programme called "Brainwave Generator" which had a thing called digital pot. It didn't work, he listened to the whole thing and the only feeling he got was that he wasted the last 10 minutes of his life.

[chAos]

Agreed with the above poster i also tried listening to it some time ago and it didn't do anything. It's just a very annoying sound. Also i did try it with good headphones.

There are free mp3 samples online if you search for 'brainwave mp3' on google. I would post a link but it isn't clear to me if the site that came up was commercial or not.

[somebodytosnuff]

swim creates these sensory algorithms from scratch and has learned to amplify their effects (using the harmonic box X method)...stereo headphones are a must. It works very well I might add...and brainwave entrainment has been tested and proven with electrocenography, to those who think this is a pile of cleverly marketed and advertised crap.

swim suggests interested people do a search on binuaral beats. The brain takes the difference between the HZ values of two pure sine waves introduced into each ear. i.e. 100 hz carrier in the left ear, 120 hz in the other...the brainstem will begin to beat and entrain to the difference of these two values...20 hz...an otherwise inaudible frequency to the human ear. one can use carrier waves between 100 and 1000 with effects. Light will work in the same fashion.

Entrainment stimuli must start as close as possible to the current wave state of the brain and may slowly ramp up or down into the other levels of consciousness. swim has algorithms for endorphin release, mushroom like space, and inebriation.

[AntiAimer]

Smurf has tryed many of idoser's so called doses includeing there $200(Hand Of God) with no effects at all. Guess he's one of the unlucky ones.

[tayo]

BUMMER 200$ ?! hope ya got your money back, we aren't supposed to use prices but since this doesnt relate to any substance, suppose its okay

[AntiAimer]

Originally Posted by tayo

BUMMER 200$ ?! hope ya got your money back, we aren't supposed to use prices but since this doesnt relate to any substance, suppose its okay

Heh, yeah Smurf paid for it... He's not dumb enough to waste that kind of money on virtual drugs....get alot better ones for that price. Even if it worked...

But yeah, he figured since it's just some product online that's not illegal the price for one of there "doses" wouldn't matter. If he's wrong, it will be edited or a mod will edit it.

[Mint boi]

swim has idoser and has tried cannabis, cocaine, ecstasy, with very minimal results. some mild, probably placebo effects, but nothing much to speak of!

[f12button]

SWIM has I-Doser and BWGen. The BWGen works very well when SWIM wants to get to sleep and can't, also for relaxing.

SWIM has only tried the Marijuana preset in I-Doser, to 55%. He could feel "something," not exactly sure what, it may have been a placebo.

[Rio Fantastic]

Well Swim has never been a fan of meditation, and would much rather spend time actually trying out the real thing then some kind of digital substitute that isn't even guaranteed to work. Swim is sure in a few decades these programs will have been refined and will start to work as well as the real thing, but for now Swim would rather spend time with something that is guaranteed to work.

[Heretic.Ape.]

SWIM read an interesting article about a guy who has been treating kids with ADD and ADHD with brainwave entrainment. He puts some headphones and some glasses that flash on them for something like a half hour a day and the experimental group showed improvement in concentration, behavioral problems, and IQ over the control group. If anyone's interested I'll try to hunt it down again and upload it but I didn't bother when I found it before because it didn't seem adequately drug related.

[somebodytosnuff]

SWIM also read of a study in which resonant brainwave entrainment using binaural beats was used to treat drug and alcohol addiction.

Altering your consciousness with sound and light stimuli is far easier than doing so by means of meditation...especially if one is a beginner. Meditation at the level of directly altering your brainwave state requires hours and hours of practice...