Addiction - GHB or 1,4 BD Withdrawal!

[Tagleeze]

1,4 BD Withdrawal


1,4 BD, a GHB Analog, is generally not physically addictive, unless abused.
Abuse meaning using it to treat anxiety or another phychological disorder. If you have anxiety not related to GHB or 1,4 BD withdrawal, GABA may help.
Like with most any other depressant or tranqualizer, if the body becomes dependent on 1,4 BD, one could experience severe anxiety, or muscle spasms during withdrawal.


If you or someone you know is experiencing withdrawal symptoms from 1,4 BD, the good news is that it is treatable. Let's suppose your normal dose is 3 mls, you would want to do enough to resolve the anxiety temporarily, probably 1 1/2 X to 2X your normal dose, or in this case 4.5 mls to 6 mls.


If you've used enough to get physically dependent, you should have a good idea of how much this amount will affect you.


The idea is to take more frequent doses gradually reducing the amount. Example, if your normal dose is 3, and you do 5 to to temporarily treat your withdrawal symptoms, reducing by 1/4 ml every 3-4 hours should do the trick.
Continue reducing your use until get down to 1/4 ml.


Time Dose
1:00 5 milliliter(s)
4:00 4.75 milliliter(s)
7:00 4.5 milliliter(s)
10:00 4.25 milliliter(s)
13:00 4 milliliter(s)
16:00 3.75 milliliter(s)
19:00 3.5 milliliter(s)
22:00 3.25 milliliter(s)
1:00 3 milliliter(s)
4:00 2.75 milliliter(s)
7:00 2.5 milliliter(s)
10:00 2.25 milliliter(s)
13:00 2 milliliter(s)
16:00 1.75 milliliter(s)
19:00 1.5 milliliter(s)
22:00 1.25 milliliter(s)
1:00 1 milliliter(s)
4:00 0.75 milliliter(s)
7:00 0.5 milliliter(s)
10:00 0.25 milliliter(s)


If you are still experiencing symptoms after trying to titrate off it yourself, you may need to get a prescription for Xanax or Librium from the Emergency Room. Just tell the Dr. that you are experiencing severe anxiety and you need "something ho help you relax". If you tell them that you're DT-ing off GHB, they may admit you to the Psych Ward and not prescribe you anything. ER's rarely see GHB withdrawal and may not know how to help you.


When you finally do get it out of your system, keep in mind it will take your body 30 days to heal. Which means that if you do GHB or GHB substitutes like 1,4 BD within 30 days, you may have to go through withdrawal again.

Gina is usually a nice pretty young lady with perky boobs, but if you abuse her, she will show you her evil nasty side and send you to kingdom come!

[Jatelka]

Source for this info please? It's useless otherwise.

[Tagleeze]

Ok, I admit it.. I've misused 1,4 BD and GHB myslf. I started doing 3 to 4 does a day every few hours.. After a few weeks I started to get the shakes and chills if I didn't have it, so I weaned myself off it using this method. Everything I've described here is from personal experience.

I even had a situation where this didn't work, so I went to the Emergency Room and got a prescription for Xanax, and that worked..

Recently I picked up some GABA from GNC and it really helped me to relax, but not nearly as fun..

Today, I still do it, but not nearly as extreme as I was.. =)

[snapper]

SWIM used both for years. The withdrawals are amongst the worst SWIM has experienced when SWIM first fell into 24/7 mode. SWIM withdrew off of a severe diazepam habit a long time ago and the feeling was similar. Constantly on the verge of a seizure, feeling electrocuted, hypersensitive to everything and very high BP. SWIM had this for about 4 days after stopping, rode it out, and then made sure to have a minimum 8 hours off of the G a day. SWIM NEVER had these withdrawals again. SWIM could sometimes feel them establishing after using more than prudent, but would stop for fear of the torture that full WD from this stuff would bring.
When SWIM ran out of GBL after about 7 years of daily use, SWIM quit cold turkey and had no withdrawals - just the insomnia and anxiety SWIM had been using the stuff to successfully control. SWIM took up a BDO habit after that, and could never even get to a point of having the dopamine rebound. The stuff just never seemed to hit peak serum levels of GHB and GBL. No withdrawals after 1.5 y of daily use of that either - again, SWIM always took an 8 hour break.
Take home is - do NOT use 24/7 andd test the waters by periodically stopping, and it is unlikely that there will be the extreme physical withdrawals which SWIM has experienced and heard described.
SWIM really misses GBL. There is nothing which comes close to it...

[Muzik]

Tapering doesnt work for most people,once you get down to the smaller doses (1.0ml or less) it just doesnt keep the anxiety and shakes away so draws the withdrawal out much longer.
Also you can make doses smaller but unless you put more than 3 or 4 hours between doses you wont be releasing any of the Dopamine.So the table is flawed in that it will only help you reduce dose but wont have any real effect of making the withdrawal less harsh.
Benzo's seem to be the only thing that makes the withdrawal less hard,alcohol too will draw the withdrawal out longer.
I am yet to try Phenibut but im interested to know if this would work for the withdrawals ?

[rxbandit]

Tagleeze, Read the rules. It is against are policy to incriminate yourself for both your safety and the forums. read up on the terms swim(someone who isnt me) or use a creative third person reference. All personal accounts on this site are fictional...

[snapper]

Phenibut helps control rebound. It has a longer half life and therefore is a built-in taper.

[braggy]

Originally Posted by snapper

Phenibut helps control rebound. It has a longer half life and therefore is a built-in taper.

I know this thread is a little old, but just wondering what you would recommend, Phenibut tablets or power?

thanks.

[xsyn]

SWIM has found himself in an interesting situation with Phenibut. He moved off the G happily, however due to the phenibut and the G's down-cycling of the Gaba-B receptor he now needs to up regulate that.

Any suggestions on how best to do it?

[zapatista]

watch out for phenibut, it has its own potential for withdrawls.

Z

[depsoul]

SWIM would have to agree with snapper. as SWIM JUST finished his first 2 days of withdrawal it was the worst thing SWIM has ever experienced in his life, and SWIM has done almost every drug out there. The electrocution feeling sucks so bad cause the only way to get rid of it was to move around, and ontop of it the only thing SWIM had was Clonidine, no benzos or anti-psychotics (which would have came in handy because of the horrible Psycosis/Hallucinations and auditory Hallucinations SWIM experianced) but the worst is finished, atleast SWIM hopes. Never ever again will SWIM use daily, it just is NOT worth it.

Ohh P.S: SWIM wasn't able to ween, just ran out way to fast and ended up doing cold turkey. (SWIM now hates turkey lol)

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