Bufo Alvarius Qstn

[Dopeman420]

I really want to buy a bufo A. toad and want to know how hard it is to accomplish this? I was planning to call all my local petshops around here and ask if they have this kind of toad and if not see if they would order me one. Of course I have a good phony reason for wanting this kind of toad as to not have any suspicion why I want it. Would local pet stores usually have or order you this kind of toad? I WANT ONE! AAAHHH i want it I want it I want it. Im gonna name him fluffy.

[Stupid Rabbit]

Thats very stressfull for the animal ya know.

If ya have any human decency don't do this, its just not right, matter o'fact its animal abuse



Its one thing when trained individuals do this sorta thing with reptiles and amphibians for the perpose of serums and whatnot,



I guess what I am saying is it right to torture another living being for a short lived high??



I own numerous reptiles and amphibians including this toad

I can tell you its very stressfull for them, I don't do it to my guy

He's a pet to me not a farm animal

[discobloodbath]

Rabbit's right, there are others ways to trip. plus smoking venom i read is very intense and even hardcore people are turned off by it.. the only good thing is its over real quickly.. plus it could be dangerous collecting the ven, after it is venom... just seems like its unnecessary is all i'm sayin

[Maxamillion]

Yea, not worth the time and/or money to get a toad and discover it's not like you thought....and none of your buds like it either.....no fun in the toad.

[jaguarangel]

Please don't get a toad unless you live in Arizona, they have very specific
requirements to live. Skin diseases are common. Milking is an art. Few know
who to do it without hurting the animal.

[genaro]

well I wanted to get one (bufo alvarius) two years ago. Local reptile & amphibians stores couldn't get this toad as it is a protected specy if I remember well. But I was able to findthree websites selling it for 150 $ (damn expensive).


So I came back to a local reptile shop and asked them how I should take care of it: you need a vivarium, withUV light, neon light, warm source and "litter, which will be a total of 100-150$.


And you need to feed it with live criquets: reptilesshop sells live criquets (you can't just use any criquets you find in nature) and you also need to change the "litter" every month so once you bought the toad and the necessary accessories (already quite a lot of money), you also need to spend 200$ a year to feed it/maintain it healthy. And you have to know such a toad may live for 15 years.


So it's a big investment, and you have to be sure you want this toad so you're not going to get bored of it within15 years! It's a serious decision.


Personally I thought about it for one month before taking any decisions and I realized that I didn't really care aboutgettinga toad (this is not the kind of animal I would enjoy, you really have no funwith him), I understood my only motivation wasto getits venom and also because the idea of getting a drug-toad was almost more fun to me than getting the venomout ofit. So I realized I would invest a lot of money, put the toad in great stress when milking it, and get bored within 3 years at most.


So I forgot the idea, and now I'm glad I didn't buy a toad as I really don't want any by now (which I knew: I would get bored within 2-3 years).


So just think it's not a toy, it's a live animal that you'll have to take care of for ten years, which will require lots of money: are you sure a toad is the kind of animal you will have fun with (forgetting about its venom, just consider the animal itself: do you like toads for what they are...meaning non communicative animal, passive, not moving from its place the all day long...not moving for 15 years!). This doesn't sound an animal I'll enjoy living with...but maybe you do (some people love toads).


But please consider you're buying a toad (don't think about the venom) so you know if you really want such a creature at home (meaning would you still enjoy it if it had no venom?)





Personally I now want a snake, I always enjoyed snakes (even if they have no dmt venom )....and I thinkthat even ifI really like them, I need to think about it for one full year before buying it so I can be sure I really wantone and I'm going to enjoytaking care of it for a long time (as it also lives for 15-20 years so it's not just like getting a mouse)...


......anyway I would need mouses to feed it


This is a general rule: before buying any animal/pet, just think about it for one year to be sure that's what you really want (this is especially true for dogs which need much more care/affection than toads).Edited by: genaro

[genaro]

If you want 5-meo-dmt, you can get the pure compound for cheap from online rc suppliers.


If you really wanna try the venom of the toad, just go to colorado river, findone ot twotoads (be sure to identify it correctly), milk them, and then immediately releasethem at the same place you found these.


This sounds like a better option than taking care of a motionless silent toad for 15 years...Edited by: genaro

[Eirias]

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A more ethical and less cruel option, too.



Unless perhaps
you are an aficionado of reptiles and amphibians, as was mentioned above and are well-versed
in their proper care. If I had a B. alvarius, I would definitely
be spoiling it as much as a human possibly could-- nice big tank with
varied terrain, possibly a companion toad of the opposite sex, regular
feedings of the finest gourmet crickets and/or mealworms, and milking it
only</span> when the creature was well-rested and only</span> then in such a way that
did not harm or hurt it at all</span>.

Please respect the sacred toad, and the sacrament which it
exudes! Do not get one on the whim of what a cool novelty it
would be to have a "drug-toad".


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Edited by: Eirias

[lilsteve]

it's really funny to see the seperation between drug users on this
forum. on one hand, here are all the hippies/stoners/trippers trying to
prevent someone from hurting a toad. on the other hand, if these
toads produced coke or tweak, the circumstances would be quite
different.



my opinion? just order some off an RC site. a neglected/ignored pet has got to have the worst life ever. <!--

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good point

[Eirias]

How do you know that I (Eirias) don't snort
methampethamine, smoke freebase cocaine, or inject heroin
everyday? Please don't assume that just because someone uses or
doesn't use one substance or another that he/she is prone to certain
behavioral patterns or attitudes. I know junkies that make
compost and recycle, and tweakers with college degrees.

Also, I think that if the toad produced something like speed or
cocaine, that it actually would be well cared for and probably bred en masse</span>, as is the case with opium poppies and Erythroxylon coca </span>plants. </span>Hurting and/or destroying the animal would only jeopardize the coke/speed users' access to thier much-coveted drug of choice.

[unico_walker]

Does anyone have links on proper milking technique?



As long as you know what you're getting into the toad is a cinch to
care for, I've had frogs and toads before and the less attention you
give them the better they do, this is not an animal which enjoys being
petted!

Of course that doesn't mean starving them or letting their substrate dry out.

It could also prove very profitable if you care for them well and can
get them to breed, set up one of the afore-mentioned websites.

[genaro]

Here I'll just cut and paste an answer I made in another thread (link for milking the toad is included):


note that many bufo species venom contains bufotenine + cardiotoxic substances (poison!)...so you cannot use any specie to get high.


Bufo marinus, bufo americanus, bufo gargarizans, bufo melanosticus, and bufo bufocontains both some cardiotoxines (!!) and bufotenine (slightly psychoactive but also somewhat toxic) so even if their venomcan have some psychoactive effects, better not use these as they can be reallydangerous (there have been a few death reported with such species).


The toad you have to use is Bufo alvarius(aka colorado river toad)which contains mainly 5-MeO-DMT (a powerful psychedelic) and also some bufotenine...this one is said to be pretty safe, and it's the only specie which can have truly powerful psychedelic effects (other species only contain the bufoteninso theyhave muchweaker effects, and as they also contain cardiotoxines they are much more dangerous than the alvarius toad)...


IMPORTANT :


1) Never use the venom orally, better smoke it, increasing the dose veryslowly(it's much less dangerous than ingesting a quantity of venom, especially if you're using anything else than the alvarius specie)


2) Do not fucking kill the toad !!! You can collect the venom without killing the animal. Methods to "milk" the toad without hurting it are explained here: http://www.bufoalvarius.org/almost.htm#sqeeze


3) Two great websites about psychoactive toads:


http://www.bufoalvarius.org/ (the very best toad info here!)


http://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads.shtml

[lilsteve]

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[/quote=Eirias]How do you know that I (Eirias) don't snort
methampethamine, smoke freebase cocaine, or inject heroin
everyday?[/quote]



I never said you did. You really didn't seem to get my point. I should
have emphasized the word "hippy" rather than simply naming substances.
Sorry for any misunderstandings, and I will try not to make
jokes/humorous observations anymore in the future.



I still think ordering from an RC supplier or extracting your own 5-meo-DMT from plant material would be a better idea.


Edited by: lilsteve

[Softrat]

I have seen Bufo alvarius sold in a regular pet shop on one occasion. I would suspect that they are not all that common however.

[Softrat]

Remember that your pet toad is a pet and will need lots of love and snuggles!

[WiZZeR]

where i used to live i think there were just heaps of Bufo alvarius toads.... i know people that go and have fun with golf clubs and toads, sept there atre 2 or more kinds of this toad and thay look pretty much exactly the same cos i looked it up on the net, i thought i was gonne be rollinginDMT rich venom but nah... just a poisonus toad. does anyone know a for sure way of telling the difference

[sirlaughman]

Yeah I live in Arizona. It's July and monsoon season should be coming up, which I heard is the prime time to find these toads. I live in the Glendale/Phoenix area though, so I'm gonna have to take a little drive to get to where I should be able to find them. It's also gonna be at night which'll make it more difficult. I want to bring a flashlight but Im not sure if the light will scare them away from their water puddles.

Of course if I catch a few of these, I am going to treat them very well. My plan is to keep them as pets and milk them only on a very limited occassionally, and VERY carefully. I love animals and am an animal rights activist so I will in no way harm the poor creature.

Lol, I just hope everything goes according to plan soon, Im really excited.

[The Half Unlit]

Originally Posted by genaro

If you want 5-meo-dmt, you can get the pure compound for cheap from online rc suppliers.


If you really wanna try the venom of the toad, just go to colorado river, findone ot twotoads (be sure to identify it correctly), milk them, and then immediately releasethem at the same place you found these.


This sounds like a better option than taking care of a motionless silent toad for 15 years...Edited by: genaro

I'd just go online, the other advice would probably get someone killed. Lets face it, how many people are experts at identifying venomous toads? Some noob would go to some river and kill a random poisonous toad and most likely themselves.

As for buying a toad, I would definitely invest in this kind of thing. Ive always loved reptiles and has had many frogs, lizards, geckos but not toads bc they require extreme care. It would also be very fun to boast about your drug-infused animal.

[The Dreamer]

My friend Swim's experience is not in line with any of this. First of all he both enjoys the toad as a pet (he has had amphibians before) and as an experience provider. He didn't milk the toad for a solid week or so after it arrived in the mail to allow it to acclimate to it's new home and to give him several attempts to pick up the toad and keep it calm. Eventually he learned to pick up the toad without any trouble.

Upon deciding to milk it he first calmed it down by holding it securely against his chest for several minutes (he dunked it in the water first so it wouldn't dry out during the long calming process) and covering it's head a little with one hand. After Swim saw that the toad was calm and didn't try to escape any longer he gently pulled the parotid glands away from the skin so that his thumb and forefinger could completely surround the underside of the gland (its skin was loose and elastic). If he did this just right he found that very little pressure would cause the glands to fire like large pimples. He said for him the key was patience; he slowly eased into the procedure since there was little help online and always stopped the moment the toad seemed uncomfortable. But if he gets the right angle it really doesn't take that much pressure at all to milk the glands. HE DIDN'T SQUEEZE HARD like some sites suggest to do and NEVER attempted to milk the toad while it was struggling to escape. His toad lives out a fairly happy existence and doesn't seem to fear the occasional squeezings at all.