Effects - Poll: Results From LSA Containing Seeds

[Paracelsus]

There seems to be a quite big controversy about the effects of morning glory seeds (and other ergine-containing seeds).

Some say they just cause nausea, some say they are narcotic and weak hallucinogens, some say they are entirely comparable to LSD, some say even better than LSD.

What's your SWIM's opinion?

[enquirewithin]

SWIM thinks that he must have got poor seeds or prepared them badly. He is not sure that he wants to try again-- that was years ago.

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM's first experiment with MG seeds (10g of heavenly blue ground up into 00 gel caps) was extremely LSD like. SWIM had this experience over a year before his first acid trip but now having done acid many times SWIM can say that his MG trip was similar to a 40-50ug dose of lsd. Apparently it lasted less time than an acid trip, around 7-8hours, but the visuals were very similar. Not as complex and intricate but very colourful and flowing. However later on SWIM starting feeling terrible and had a mild panic attack (SWIM never ever gets them usually) he then felt as if he had been poisoned and his whole body went numb. He felt fine the next day though.

SWIM has used HBWR seeds and rivea corymbrosa seeds as well but got much stronger effects from the MG seeds. He said the MG seeds produced the least leg and arm cramps too but the nasuea was worse, although SWIM wasn't sick.

[hh339]

With seeds: Only weak effects, although SWIM tried many ways of preparation, seeds from different sources,etc

With good extract: Comparable (but not identical) to LSD.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by hh339

With good extract: Comparable (but not identical) to LSD.

By good extract do you mean cold-water extraction or an ethanol or other type of extraction?

Also, how would swiy compare it to LSD? Swim has heard of people getting great visuals from Morning Glory seeds, but when he used Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds (both extraction and crushed seeds) he found it was much more of a mental thought-process affecting trip rather than a visual one, and when a cold water extraction of seeds was mixed with MDMA it produced incredible stimulation and additive euphoria but still no visuals.

[hh339]

A serious extraction with solvents, extract dripped on to sugarcubes. SWIM would not say that LSA is like LSD, but it sure has similarities. LSA had friendlier visuals, but they were of about the same character as LSD. Also, LSA was more a rock 'n' roll type of trip, not as deep as LSD but still very entertaining and with a good amount of the mental LSD characterism. It did not have as much of the darker side of LSD, but the laugh-your-ass-off-not-knowing-why euphoria was present throughout the whole trip, if this makes any sense. The colour trails were there too, just less pronounced. SWIM loved it, even preffered it, when out drinking beer at pubs and such. Good stuff.

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great succinct compare-contrast description of LSD vs LSA, thank you.

[p$2]

this poll does not seem to have inspired a poular response.
p$ has not voted on it himself because he considers none of the results fitting.
SWp$'s experience a while back was of 7 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose, purchased from a headshop and clearly produced for the ethnogen market (brand "ethnogenie"). SWIp$, acting on dubious advice, thought the nausea might be comparable to that which some persons experience with mushrooms (SWIp$ has experienced some little nausea but never overwhelming) and would therefore be effectively counteracted with a strong tea of root ginger. SWIp$ ground up the seeds in an electric grinder and consumed them with the tea.
+1h tripping quite hard, disorienting "come-up" and nausea
+2h enjoying the visual nature of the trip, but stomach cramps offputting. SWIp$ trying to vomit but cannot.
+3h or so... SWIp$ walking down some middle-of-nowhere urban road with friend, "excuse me" BLEAARGH violently sick,almost projectile vomiting,a very satisfyingly liberating experience
+3h15>+6h enjoyable trip somewhat soured by ongoing cramps and consumption of food, fluids (even water) brings the nausea back which was not practical in the situation (a large-scale "unauthorised"rave). visual trip has noticable tactile or "body" (supersexual?!) effects as with psilocybin but SWIp$ experiences this with LSD on occasion to some extent.
+6h>+12h the visual and tactile effects of the "trip" wore off but SWIp$ felt awake and energetic,as with LSD.

so in summary, one hell of a trip,"comparable to LSD" if you can handle the nausea. i can understand the shamanic arguments that it is part and parcel of the true plant experience, although as a "recreational" drugit is not practical. NB ethnogens are not marketed as recreational drugs per se and SWIp$ did ask specifically for this "product".

SWIp$ is going to try cold water extract next time, soon perhaps. SWIp$ understands that mineral water is good enough for the extract and distilled water is suggested by an american author perhaps for reasons of availability and that it is the chlorine content of tap water which fucks up the extraction if used.... although SWIp$ lives next to an auto supplies outlet and could doubtless source distilled water if there would be an advantage in doing so.
p$ is aware, at least in theory, thet LSA has a higher toxicity/worse side-effectsprofile vs. LSD and would be
interested in testing the extract on SWIp$ in order to ascertain which of those side effects, if any, are due to the LSA itsself as opposed to the other more toxic substancs in the seed.
p$ heard that so-called "liquid acid" is (or can be) LSA but this might be a bullshit rumor. SWIp$ had some "liquid acid" put on a cigarette paper and kept for a week in the fridge and found it to be very "clean".

[DOHP]

Swim chewed up 5 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and had a great trip for around 8 hours, the peak came at 3 hours after smoking some weed.

Mind: Extreme happiness on par with mdma, but much less forced. A lack of inhibitions and caring (minor ego loss?) on par with weed or alcohol. Emotions extremely exaggerated (but all happy and inquisitive, never sad) which he discovered when he started shouting at the top of his voice at his friends to look at the TV where a polar bear was attacking a woman. His friends had to calm him down, and he sat down rocking back and forth with excitement. After the weed, his mind expanded even more and he had great inner insight (insight into subconscious), and also If mdma is known for the 'extacy' it can produce then these should be known as 'euphoria.' Because swim was so excited at one point he was jumping up and down and felt the most excited he ever had! (And he reached this instant level of euphoria by just looking at how untidy his bedroom was and thinking of tidying it!)

Vision: With eyes closed while listening to music, swim saw visualizations comparable to a windows media player visualization with 2 groups of colours changing shape and colour in beat with the music. Then 5 hours in his eyes became a bit less dilated than that of mdma, but much much more sensitive to light. He saw a rainbow of colours on the TV while watching Scrubs. And then later everybody's head look detached from their body in Naked Gun 2 1/2.

Body: The nausea hit first before any effect, and steadily increased in waves up until 8 hours in. Swim vomited on two different occasions, the first being 3 hours in straight after the weed and the next 7 hours in at home.
Throughout the beginning of the trip swim had a great body high very similar to that of the one he gets on mdma but not just in his 'private region' but all over his body; a sort of pleasant orgasmic tingle.

^ Just a few of the things I remember, very enjoyable but will not repeat due to the nausea. Mabey after an extraction swim will double the dose

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Nicely formatted and articulated. Gets important information across and is easy to read. Great post.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by DOHP

Swim chewed up 5 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and had a great trip for around 8 hours, the peak came at 3 hours after smoking some weed.

Mind: Extreme happiness on par with mdma, but much less forced. A lack of inhibitions and caring (minor ego loss?) on par with weed or alcohol. Emotions extremely exaggerated (but all happy and inquisitive, never sad) which he discovered when he started shouting at the top of his voice at his friends to look at the TV where a polar bear was attacking a woman. His friends had to calm him down, and he sat down rocking back and forth with excitement. After the weed, his mind expanded even more and he had great inner insight (insight into subconscious), and also If mdma is known for the 'extacy' it can produce then these should be known as 'euphoria.' Because swim was so excited at one point he was jumping up and down and felt the most excited he ever had! (And he reached this instant level of euphoria by just looking at how untidy his bedroom was and thinking of tidying it!)

Swiy's experience sounds very much like the last Hawaiian Baby Woodrose trip Sexual Harassment Panda had.

The main difference was that Sexual Harassment Panda took some MDMA after the nausea subsided (he was doing a cold-water extraction but realized he had filled his distilled water container with tap water! So he panicked and drank the whole thing knowing what was to come). If Mr. Panda has got some great euphoria from past HBWR experiences, they didn't come anywhere close to what he experienced with the combination!

Much of what you described sounds familiar to Mr. S.H. Panda, but the speediness factor was much more prominent. He was bouncing off the walls and felt like he had taken 40mg of adderall, though he was also so happy he wanted to cry and was able to control his restlessness at times by just letting the joy overwhelm him! The Panda can relate to swiy's jumping up and down in excitement.

On a side note, Panda was so hyper and unable to restrict himself to his isolated dwelling (it was during a vacation so no roommates around) that he had to walk to a friend's place. Once there they watched the 'Company Man' episode of the NBC show Heroes. Wow. Panda's friend had it on Tivo and would pause to explain all the backstory and characters as Panda had only seen one episode before and wasn't into the show much. Needless to say, that was the best possible episode that could have just been out at the time. Not only was the episode the best so far in the season, it also tied in all the character's stories and had big plot payoffs for the past episodes of build up. Mr. Panda was peaking near the emotional ending, and by that point was cursing his friend as he knew he was going to watch every single previous episode of the show for the next few days!

The combination made for a great time, but the body load was a bit much and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds seem capable of inducing more than adequate euphoria by themselves so MDMA is an unecessary addition that could make the experience a bit over the top both in terms of negative physical effects and emotional stability. Maybe things would have been somewhat different if Sexual Harassment Panda had actually done the CWE right, but then he probably wouldn't have had such an amazing experience watching the show as he would have tripped much later.

Anyways, nice descriptive report DOHP.

[DOHP]

Wow sounds like an amazing combo!. As swim loves to go over the edge!
At one point during the trip he actually didn't stop laughing for 5 minutes staight and started to actually cry after seeing the polar bear attack the woman, his friend (who had taken 250mg of mdma and had pupils the size of saucers) said to him with the alertive extacy look on his face: "That was horrible, wasn't it mate!" To which swim replied "No it wasn't, it was f***ing buetiful!"

At one point also the body load became so much that swim couln't stand up but had to crawl around on all fours like some kind of wolf! LSA is certainly a great substance and would most likley be more popular than LSD if it was not for the body load and groggy acid hangover.

[p$2]

Originally Posted by DOHP

Swim chewed up 5 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and had a great trip for around 8 hours, the peak came at 3 hours after smoking some weed.

Mind: Extreme happiness on par with mdma, but much less forced. A lack of inhibitions and caring (minor ego loss?) on par with weed or alcohol. Emotions extremely exaggerated (but all happy and inquisitive, never sad)(edit)
Vision: With eyes closed while listening to music, swim saw visualizations comparable to a windows media player visualization with 2 groups of colours changing shape and colour in beat with the music. Then 5 hours in his eyes became a bit less dilated than that of mdma, but much much more sensitive to light.(edit)
Body: The nausea hit first before any effect, and steadily increased in waves up until 8 hours in. Swim vomited on two different occasions, the first being 3 hours in straight after the weed and the next 7 hours in at home.
Throughout the beginning of the trip swim had a great body high very similar to that of the one he gets on mdma but not just in his 'private region' but all over his body; a sort of pleasant orgasmic tingle.

^ Just a few of the things I remember, very enjoyable but will not repeat due to the nausea. Mabey after an extraction swim will double the dose

DOHP's experience of eating Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds would seem to broadly match SWIp$'s. Similarly, SWIp$ found this pleasurable but would not repeat due to nausea. SWIp$ did very recently perform a cold water extraction using a tea bag in mineral water in the back of the fridge for a good 8 hours. SWIp$ had a nice enjoyable euphoria and a slight "shimmering" effect in the visuals but in comparison to eating the same number of seeds as extracted (again,the 7 which come in the ' Ethnogenie' packet) SWIp$ found the effect to be dissapointingly subtle (little or no shut-eye visuals). SWIp$ did however have a nice body high. Acid (in this context including LSA) makes SWIp$ horny

Subjectively SWIp$ would say that the trip is only half as strong from the extraction as compared with eating the equivilant number of seeds. Comparatively one could say this is similar to mushrooms insofar as eating the fresh shrooms will have a more "efficient" effect than a hot water extraction but often cause more nausea (although to repeat, SWIp$ has never vomited from shrooms). SWIp$ would definately consider doubling the dose next time SWIp$ performs such an extraction.

It's funny,I would say that SWIp$ finds his emotions less exaggerated on LSA/LSD than on MDMA. SWIp$ loves the euphoria of MDMA and indeed did have some MDMA later on in the same evening as the CWE but dislikes the distorted (as DOHP says,'forced') emotions somewhat. Having said that though SWIp$ likes the idea of washing some MDMA crystal down with a cold water extraction of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds. There should be a funny name for that,"seedy flipping" or suchlike.

SWIp$ experienced the "strychnine effect" of muscle stiffness in the neck both with eating the seeds and with the extraction although on neither occasion did SWIp$ find it problematic enough to sour the experience. It should however be noted that this might indeed be a problem at higher doses. SWIp$ thinks that the idea of blotters being laced with strychnine is a myth that probably originated from Lysergic Acid alkaloids other than the diethylamide LSD being present on the blotter in place of or instead of LSD,and yes that is a matter for the LSD sub-forum.

Originally Posted by p$!|0c!B€_$!m!|anc€ata

p$ is aware, at least in theory, thet LSA has a higher toxicity/worse side-effectsprofile vs. LSD and would be
interested in testing the extract on SWIp$ in order to ascertain which of those side effects, if any, are due to the LSA itsself as opposed to the other more toxic substancs in the seed.
p$ heard that so-called "liquid acid" is (or can be) LSA but this might be a bullshit rumor. SWIp$ had some "liquid acid" put on a cigarette paper and kept for a week in the fridge and found it to be very "clean".

ok; re the muscle stiffness in the neck, SWIp$ did not experience this with that "liquid acid" on cigarette paper. However SWIp$ would not be in a position either way to say whether or not
a) the liquid in question is actually LSD; LSA causes the muscle stiffness
or
b) the liquid in question is LSA, from flower seeds via a more complex reaction and other alkaloids cause the muscle stiffness, which are water-soluble but the extraction used to produce the refined "liquid" eliminates most of them.

[Bajeda]

SWIp$ did very recently perform a cold water extraction using a tea bag in mineral water in the back of the fridge for a good 8 hours.

It would be good to acidify the water with some lemon juice or something next time. Maybe that will help intensify the effects.

[p$2]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

It would be good to acidify the water with some lemon juice or something next time. Maybe that will help intensify the effects.

SW|p$ did use a bit of lemon juice. should have mentioned that. you see? p$ done sufficient research, lurking on this forum for time before it was required to register (utfse etc....)

[geezaman]

SWIMs experiences
1)8 HBWR Seeds ground and swallowed- nausea and sickness- suspect poor quality

2)Polar/nonplolar extraction equivalent to 10 HBWRS bombed in rizla paper unparalleled euphoria, racing thoughts more-so than any other drug experience inc shrooms mdma, legal E etc. comedown very achey

3) 8 HBWRS ground up and chewed- come up anxiety, odd pleasant feeling, nausea.

4) 12 crushed HBWRS bombed in rizla paper, after 2 pints of lager and 4 bunk E pills... lethargy, nausea, vomit, headache, bone ache, painful burning like sensation throughout body, could have been described as though veins were pumping acid (as in acidic liquid not LSD)

5) Smoking the fuzzy coating of the seeds, with a little MJ = visual and audio distortions/hallucinations, single minded thought processes, disassociated/uninhibited in stupid actions, not out going, just uninhibited... slowed difficult movement, similar to robotripping.
peace

[Pretty_Diamonds]

SWIM's methods done with MGs.

100 seeds (x2)- Grind with some orange juice. Doesn't taste bad at all. 30 minutes later, threw up. Light effects.

100 seeds - Grind with some alcohol, soak for an hour, mix in with some orange juice. Doesn't taste bad at all. 30 minutes later, threw up. Light effects.

150 seeds - Grind, soak in water for 30 minutes, remove seeds, drink water. Extremely nasty. Threw-up 10 minutes later/SWIM's friend did not throw up at all. No effects at all, just incredibly lazy. About 7 hours later, SWIM got this huge cramp in her neck that didn't go away until the next morning.

SWIM was going to go for another attempt but the taste of the water extraction was scarring. It's hard for her to think about the seeds without feeling nauseous.

Originally Posted by psychedelaholic

SWIM's first experiment with MG seeds (10g of heavenly blue ground up into 00 gel caps) was extremely LSD like. SWIM had this experience over a year before his first acid trip but now having done acid many times SWIM can say that his MG trip was similar to a 40-50ug dose of lsd. Apparently it lasted less time than an acid trip, around 7-8hours, but the visuals were very similar. Not as complex and intricate but very colourful and flowing. However later on SWIM starting feeling terrible and had a mild panic attack (SWIM never ever gets them usually) he then felt as if he had been poisoned and his whole body went numb. He felt fine the next day though.

SWIM has used HBWR seeds and rivea corymbrosa seeds as well but got much stronger effects from the MG seeds. He said the MG seeds produced the least leg and arm cramps too but the nasuea was worse, although SWIM wasn't sick.

How much gelcaps did you end up with?

[kakakaka]

Swim took 4 for the first time on wed. The seeds were a nice light brown color and were the Pacific strain. Swim can only describe it as a cross between E and weed. It was a very mellow buzz but euphoric at the same time with extreme an extreme rush coming every so often. Swim also noticed very slight distortions like things going fuzzy when not focusing on them.

Swim is going to take 3 Hawaiian and 7 Pacific tonight, he bought 10 Hawaiian but 7 of them are black rather than light brown so he will take them another time incase they are bad.

Overall a defo

[Pretty_Diamonds]

7 Pacific?

[kakakaka]

Yes there Pacific strain, not Ghana or Hawaiian, there sort of inbetween strength.

After taking them tho swim never really tripped but he did feel extremly melted, next time swim will take more and hopefully will get the desired effect

[maglight]

They most definately work. Swim has never tried LSD before (although he wants to, just can't find it anywhere...) but had tried shrooms 4 times before, and his trips from morning glory seeds have been about as strong as his mushroom trips (which were typically 3.5g), although swim says the experience was rather different from shrooms.

[Jerc]

swim knows that if you grind them and put them in gelcaps they work but be warned the leg cramps are a B*tch

[Paracelsus]

Originally Posted by Jerc

swim knows that if you grind them and put them in gelcaps they work but be warned the leg cramps are a B*tch

Look up the HBWR health risks thread for more info.

[greenmanalishi]

I know this cat who has tripped a lot on LSD. He recently tried some heavenly blue morning glorys for the first time. He said that it was like a LSD trip. Not exactly the same, and less visuals and a less intense peak, but very simaler. This cat had some stomach discomfort the first time, but next to none since.

This cat told me he took about 300 a couple times and about 450 a couple of times.

[Bilbato]

Just the other week, swim finished an extraction using naptha/distilled water. Swim definately agrees that it is a euphoric. Swim's friends reported that their faces hurt afterwards due to the amount of smiling. Swim also mentioned a deep stillness within himself. Although, swim has yet to experience any visuals on HBW. As for comparing it to LSD... swim doesn't think you can even compare the two. Swim finds LSD to be much more of a recreational drug, and LSA to be a much more spiritual, perhaps entheogenic, experience.

[wykydtron]

SWIM has never had a psychedelic experience as intense as the one SWIM had from 7 HBWR seeds. At first, SWIM was having very vivid hallucinations. SWIM wasn't seeing things that weren't there, but shapes without identity would take on familiar forms. SWIM could see detailed scenes in the butt of his cigarette - SWIM remembers that there was a unicorn there. SWIM could melt into objects. Soon SWIM lost all touch with reality. SWIM believed he was reliving moments from the past, and living many days in rapid succession. SWIM realized that there was only one moment, one experience, one story, and only the perspective of viewing it changed, but no matter the perspective, the essence was the same. SWIM could watch the one moment folded into all its different shape. SWIM's experience was much more involved than I can describe. It was not as superficial as this description. SWIM did not merely know these facts, he understood them. SWIM doesn't actually believe that there is any real difference between psychedelics because they all connect you to the one - the Dao. SWIM doesn't really believe there is any real difference between anything. SWIM didn't know anything about the Dao before this experience. SWIM hasn't taken any HBWR for years, but he still get nauseous thinking about them.



SWIM wishes he had never had the experience. SWIM takes the ideas too seriously, and he doesn't understand them anymore. He did at the time, but now he can't. He only half understands them. SWIM doesn't want to be trapped in a moment or a loop. SWIM justs wants to be a simple person who lives time in a straight line.

[geezaman]

if SWIY wishes to be a simple person living life in a straight line, not questioning reality and their own mind perhaps psychadelic drugs ae not for them. But well done for giving them a try, SWIM doesn't think anyone can critisize you because you tryed the experience and then made your decision. too many people decide in ignorance with no experience.