GHB not responsible for 18 year olds death(Dragonfly)

[sunyata]

Translated from a Norwegian newspaper:
09.03.07

GHB NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR 18 YEAR OLDS DEATH

The 18 year old who died after getting high in a child care institution in Trysil earlier this winter, died from a homemade drug which resembes LSD and Amphetamine.

This means it was not the dangerous GHB which was responible, as the police initially suspected, writes Hamar Arbeiderblad.

The 18 year old died february 3. after getting high in the intitution where he lived. According to the police nvestigation the boy had used a chemical drug named Dragonlfly (Bromo-benzodifuranyl-isopropylamin), a hallucinogen affecting the sentral nervous system, the paper writes.

Two other youths got high on the same drug, but suffered no serious damages.

A friend of the 18 year old who the police think supplied him with the drug is charged with unvolantery manslaughter.

Source: http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2007/03/09/494460.html

I think the say it's homemade as a dramatising effect, I highly doubt anyone in Norway is making this in their bathtub.
Bad news, RC's have not gotten too much attention in the Norwegian media, but that will end with this.
I'll keep you updated on this, but don't expect any information on dosage, wether it was in blotter or powder form or how taken. Such things are deemed irrelevant by Norwegian authorities since ALL DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS REGARDLESS OF DOSE!

Reputation Comments on this post:

thanks - very disturbing news

[freakybass]

I think that the termm "homemade drug" is a bit abusive. I do not think dragonfly is simple to synthetize.

[Nagognog2]

You would need to be a very good and experienced chemist. By homemade it appears they are saying it's not from a pharmaceutical firm. But it's confusing to your average idiot nonetheless. Bad journalism rears it's hysterical head yet again.

[snapper]

So bromo-dragonfly is not safe ? That was unexpected...
SWIM has found is baffling that RC vendors would choose to pander this particular long lasting, upredictable, untested chemical. SWIM wonders if the vendor will also be charged with manslaughter. They are the ones who sold it !

[Zaprenz]

Is SWIM correct in the knowledge that if a person dies whilst "high" (for want of a better word) all drugs found are each added to a running tally for that drug?

By this I mean if a person dies from cocaine and ecstasy it is added to the cocaine drug related deaths figure AND the ecstasy related drug deaths figure? I.e counting it twice.

[snapper]

Was there another drug involved ?
Was GHB involved as well ?
SWIM thinks the bromodragonfly would be the obvious culprit... SWIM wonders what the dose was ?

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Zaprenz

Is SWIM correct in the knowledge that if a person dies whilst "high" (for want of a better word) all drugs found are each added to a running tally for that drug?

By this I mean if a person dies from cocaine and ecstasy it is added to the cocaine drug related deaths figure AND the ecstasy related drug deaths figure? I.e counting it twice.

I think it depends on whether the toxicologist or whatever the term is attributes the substances as contributing to the cause of death.

Of course in this sort of political environment, you know that anything the government doesn't like is going to be counted in.

Just look at the kid who killed himself and happened to be smoking Salvia a number of times prior. Salvia was actually listed as a cause of death.

[radiometer]

Perhaps GHB was found in the deceased's body - just as in every other fresh human corpse. Google "Hillory Farias" or see this link.

[Nagognog2]

Further news is that the kid did a finger-full of this stuff - whatever that is. But DOB - a related compound that is not as strong, but WAY strong - has killed before. We don't know how much this guy did. But it was enough to kill.

I doubt GHB had squat to do with this. It had to do with a dumb kid being able to get his finger into a pile of it. And he did. And he did. And he's dead. Place the blame squarely on the IDIOT who released a super-powerful DOC+++ molecule on the open market and advertising it as a psychedelic. Might as well have been selling Gerbil-Poison.

[turkeyphant]

Jesus Christ. Not even eyeballing but getting chubby fingerfuls of a chemical active at 200 µg... You can hardly see that much - why would you need to stick your finger into the vial?

You might have hoped the dead body of James Edwards Downs who licked up 2C-T-21 would have made people think twice before pulling shit like this... What sort of moron has access to Br-DFLY yet is too retarded to, uhm I dunno, measure out the stuff properly? Just because it's dirt cheap doesn't mean you need to munch it by the handful...

[snapper]

Said individual will hopefully be at least put out of business, if not jailed with the key tossed in garbage... BrDragonfly has no business outside of a lab at this point so little is known about it except for very low active dose range ... very sad.

[MrG]

Just another example of death by the most common and easily avoided killer of all - ignorance.

Do you think he would have done something as stupid as that had he known the full implications?

If he had been able to access such resources as this forum and asked around for proper facts before doing something so reckless do you think it would have saved his life?

Listen, slag the kid off if he did it in full knowledge of the dangers - you play the game you take your chances, TS fella - But who should we blame in this instance?

[Psych0naut]

Very potent research chemicals should only be available to the true psychonauts who respect them and know how to handle them.
By selling them on the internet there is no controll on them, you don't know wether a kid who wants to get high, or a experienced psychonaut buys it, and that's where it usually goes wrong. LSD is also very cheap, dose wise to make. If it wouldn't be so expensive and usually sold in blotter form, but instead in large amounts by research chemical vendors, the same thing would happen.

[sunyata]

BTW, this is not the same case that is mentioned in the sources forum, which mean we have 2 deaths in Scandinavia since new year from bdfly.

When the police say homemade I think they just mean that he mixed the powder into some kind of solution, like alcohol. Police up here have a kind of relaxed attitude towards terminology.


DIED FROM "DRAGONFLY" DRUG

The 18 year old who died at the youth institution where he lived, died after getting high on a drug similar to LSD.

Trine H.Løken

At first it was speculated whether 18 year old Kåre Roger Martinsen, who was living at Youth in Development in Trysil, had used GHB, but the police investigations show that he died from a homemade drug which resembles LSD.

The drug mixture contains a chemical compound named Dragonfly. It resembles LSD, which is a hallucinogenic drug, and affacts the sentral nerve system. LSD can cause false senory experiences, illusions and hallucinations, and it's effects are highly unpredictable.

Three youngsters, the 18 year old being one of them, took the drug. A 16 year old girl was submitted to the hospital after getting high on the drug, but was released the next day.

Police officer John Stallvik says they know how the youngsters got the drug. The police has earlier stated that they think the youngsters might have found the recipe for the drug on the internet.

The investigation of the death is as good as over, but the police are still waiting for answers from Kripos(the tech people), such as how the drug the 18 year old took affects the body. A friend of the deceased 18 year old is charged with involuntary manslaughter, as he was the one who gave him the drug.
-"Once we get this information we will interview him again. After that the case will be sent over to the police prosecutor, says Stallvik.

Source http://www.ostlendingen.no/apps/pbcs...2/1012/FORSIDE

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM is still awaiting his 5mg of bromo-dragonfly, he's certainly not going to be dipping his finger in it though.

[snapper]

Gee, SWIM would be concerned about that product given 2 deaths from it in such a short period of time and from the same country ... BrDfly could certainly do this by itself, but these are the first reports of deaths, and both in a very narrow time period and in the same place. SWIM would be worried about any product which is from the same batch that killed those kids.

[sunyata]

Originally Posted by snapper

Gee, SWIM would be concerned about that product given 2 deaths from it in such a short period of time and from the same country ... BrDfly could certainly do this by itself, but these are the first reports of deaths, and both in a very narrow time period and in the same place. SWIM would be worried about any product which is from the same batch that killed those kids.

Considering the obvious suspected source of this substance, I'd say that's good advice.

However, I suspect it's more an issue of not measuring the dose correctly.

BTW Norway and Sweden have been two separate countries for well over a hundred years now.

[snapper]

Sorry, same region of Europe...
Nonetheless the point remains the same. SWIY is probably right, but it is a suspicious coincidence.

[sunyata]

Update: According to someone on a Norwegian forum who claims to know the person charged with supplying the drug, the kids shot it. As in with a syringe.

[turkeyphant]

Words fail me.

[allyourbase]

safe? well we all know where this kid was probably getting it from. it could have been something else, and the kid theyre charging has just come clean saying thats what the product was labled as. it could have been almost any material, in any amount. only god and the jackass making them know how much of what was in how many tabs that this kid ate.

[fatal]

come on apparently no one else thinks shooting up undetermined amounts of synthetic designer drugs of as yet undetermined effects and potency and as yet undetermined clandestine european manufacture is a good idea? its like stubbing your toe... could happen to anyone...



this is clearly sarcasm so no one give me a red dot for this im not serious. not like my rep points mean a shit of difference anyways LOL