4-HO-x vs. 4-AcO-x

[Triple7]

What is SWIY's oppinion about 4-HO-x vs. 4-AcO-x?

SWIM says that 4-HO-x is 30% more potent than 4-AcO-x but that 4-AcO-x has a much faster onset and lasts longer. An example is when x is DIPT. 40mg 4-AcO-DIPT seems to be equal in potency to 30mg 4-HO-DIPT. 4-AcO-DIPT needs 8-40 minutes for onset and 4-HO-DIPT needs 40-90 minutes for onset (normally 40-60minutes). The 4-AcO-DIPT lasts 2.5-4h but may in some occations last upto 6h. The 4-HO-DIPT lasts 1.5-2h.

Now to something interesting. SWIM said 4-HO-x is 30% more potent than 4-AcO-x, but at low doses this doesn't hold. SWIM experiences that there is more effect from 20mg 4-AcO-DIPT than 15mg 4-HO-DIPT. Also SWIM experienced that 10mg 4-AcO-DIPT was stronger than 15mg 4-HO-DIPT. First in the little higher range 4-HO-x is 30% more potent than 4-AcO-x.

OK, the comparsion was mainly for x = DIPT.

What does SWIY think it holds for when x is MIPT, DET, MET, DMT, etc? And what does SWIY think about when x is DIPT?

What about these points as rule of thumb?
1. 4-HO-x is 30% more potent than 4-AcO-x at moderate doses.
2. 4-AcO-x has much faster onset, sometimes as fast as 10 minutes.
3. All 4-HO-x are less stable than 4-AcO-x.
4. All 4-HO-x are shorter acting than 4-AcO-x.
5. THC + 4-AcO/HO-x doubles the mindfuck.
(6. 4-AcO-x might be more potent than 4-HO-x in low doses.)

I hope you talk about SWIYs experience when both the AcO and HO are tried in the same (salt) form.

Reputation Comments on this post:

good information, should be an interesting conversation

[rxbandit]

swim thought aco-mipt was more intense then ho-mipt at the same dose. swim also thought aco-dmt was smoother then ho-dmt.
swim agrees that the aco forms seem to have a quicker onset and seem to last longer.
swim believes the 4-aco provides a better trip and high, the 4-ho feels more unnatural and jittery in swims opinion.

[Nagognog2]

Now that's a paradoxical point of view: 4-Acet-DMT feels more natural than the one that occurs in nature?! Wow!

But I always thought imitation crabmeat tasted more like crabmeat than crabmeat. I guess there's no real accounting for taste. LOL.