BZP's legal status

[speedy_spicer]

Hi guys, i have been intrested in the whole BZP feasco the last 6 months or so. i know that at the moment they have been made illigal to buy in UK due to prescription laws, due to it being chemical analog of piperzine. what i wanna no or discuss is, when it becomes made final do you guys think it will be put into the proper drug classes , or just be made illegal using prescription law world wide so that New zealand shops are not able to sell due to being part of the law (new zealand following same law as UK). Seeing as its a class A in US do you guys think it will be placed there in uk to. And what do you think all happen if you are found with it once this is all finalised???? thanks guys i look forward to your responses,

[Mona Lisa]

Obviously if it becomes scheduled it will be treated like any other crminalised drug if one is caught in possessionl. But hopefully it will not come to that.

[speedy_spicer]

WHAT CLASS YOU THINK IT ALL BE THO??? AND ISNT THIS JUST GONNA CAUSE A BLACK MARKET FOR THE STUFF, WHEN WILL THE GOVERMENT UNDERSTAND YOU TRY TO CRIMINALISE IT YOU MAKE IT MORE DESIREABLE (''ITS ILLEGAL IT MUST BE GOOD'') i THINKS IT MAY BE PUT IN EITHER CLASS B OR C DUE TO SIMULARITYS TO AMPHETAMINES, ALTHOUGH CLASS B ARE HIGH ABUSE WITH MEDICAL USES (I THINKS) BUT WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK, ONE DAY YOUR HAVE BZP DEALERS LOL CLASSIC

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[Nagognog2]

Please turn off CAPS LOCK. It's annoying, it's against the rules. And it causes people to not bother reading the post.

[speedy_spicer]

Ha ha sorry i was having an argument with a friend on msn while replying, my apologise, much love , peace out (sorry but hippy talk rocks lol)

[sci]

Swim is confussed BZP aint yet classified as a controlled substance ?

[Mona Lisa]

It can still be imported into the UK for personal use as long as one orders (and possses) under three months supply (whatever that is). But it can not be legally re-sold here in the UK. Would imagine that this will remain the case unless it's either completely scheduled in New Zealand (which could happen within a few months), or if there is another media scare due to someone having a bad overdose, etc. Hopefully its status will remain as it is because it has gotten many (including SWIM) off MDMA.

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Mona Lisa

Hopefully its status will remain as it is because it has gotten many (including SWIM) off MDMA.

Swim can understand it (BZP) getting someone off Meth, but MDMA? Swim can not see many people accepting BZP as a realistic MDMA alternative somehow and is assuming Swiy is meaning crappy cut street xtc?

[Mona Lisa]

According to SWIM, it will never replace MDMA but it still has its own merits in that it gives increased music appreciation and energy, plus euphoria.

The Sun has demonised BZP today
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007190514,00.html

They distort the facts but the point is, people believe this garbage. Hadn't realised that the Lancet had also distorted the facts so much. It really is a conspiracy, isn't it. The Establishment are never going to be objective about drugs. It's political as much as anything. I've always believed it was only a matter of time before an incident such as an overdose happened which the media would jump on as an opportunity to go on a witch hunt.

I'll bet that BZP will be fully scheduled in the UK before the year is out.

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Mona Lisa

The Sun has demonised BZP today . . .

They distort the facts but the point is, people believe this garbage.

They sure do. Whether they like BZP or not, I wish they would stop saying its a worming pill. BZP never was and never will be a worming pill. If it did kill worms this could be a good thing anyway, but it doesn,t.

IMHO the majority of side effects, hospitalizations etc are not from BZP, but the other Piperazines, especially the nasty mCPP. Swim is anti prohibition, but if anything was to be banned, it would make far more sense to start with some of these other Piperazines well before BZP, which seems top be far safer in comparison.

[Thirdedge]

A dance drug described as "legal ecstasy" faces a possible Europe-wide ban after a report catalogued a number of deaths and serious injuries linked to the stimulant. Two people have died after taking the drug with ecstasy and it has been found during postmortems on two road accident victims in Britain.

Medical experts warn that benzylpiperazine (BZP) can cause convulsions, anxiety, abnormal heart rates, stomach pain and even death through over-stimulation of chemical pathways in the brain.

It is not illegal to take BZP but sales to the public are banned because it is registered as a prescription medicine. However, a loophole in the law allows retailers to sell the drug marked "not for consumption" as a soil fertiliser.

It can also be legally imported into Britain from foreign websites, mostly operating from New Zealand, where it is a multimillion-dollar industry and 20% of the population have taken the drug, which is sold under names such as Pep Twisted, Legal E, Nemesis and Euphoria.

The Home Office is reviewing the safety of BZP after the joint Europol and European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA) report called for an urgent risk assessment to be carried out.

If the assessment, which will be released in June, finds the drug to be dangerous it could be banned throughout the European Union. If the drug is not banned by the EU, the Home Office could add BZP to the list of substances controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act.

A report published in the Lancet today describes one weekend in May last year when seven BZP users were admitted to St Thomas' hospital in London suffering from seizures, abnormal heart rates and anxiety.

It describes the case of an 18-year-old who bought tablets from a dealer in a nightclub thinking they were ecstasy or amphetamines. She collapsed after taking five of them and appeared to have a seizure lasting 10 minutes. When she arrived at hospital her pupils were dilated, her heart was racing and her body temperature and blood pressure had plummeted. She was treated in hospital with tranquillisers and within 12 hours had recovered and was discharged.

The paper says that standard medical tests may not pick up BZP, and warns it is potentially life-threatening. One of the report's authors, John Ramsey, a toxicologist at St George's hospital in London, told the Guardian: "We have no real idea how widespread the use of this drug is, as it is rarely reported. But it is quite clear it should be a controlled drug."

Originally designed as a cattle wormer, the drug is considered so dangerous by US authorities that it is classified as schedule one, the same category as heroin. The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs discussed the legal status of BZP in November but no action was taken.

Phil Willis, chairman of the Commons science and technology select committee, said: "BZP gives the government the perfect chance to play new drugs with a straight bat. They should look into the harm they cause and give drug users proper information about the drug. It is then up to the criminal justice system to decide how illegal the drug should be based on criminality."

The European report lists a series of deaths and serious injuries linked to the drug, including a 23-year-old Swiss woman who took BZP together with ecstasy and drank more than 10 litres of water. She died of hyponatraemia, or water poisoning. The report also gives anecdotal evidence that BZP was used in an alleged drug-induced rape case in Britain.

The authors of the report are concerned that many of the injuries caused by the stimulant may go unreported because it is not routinely tested for and clubbers are unlikely to tell doctors they have taken it.

Last month the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency announced a crackdown on the sale of the drug, warning retailers that they could face up to two years in prison and an unlimited fine.

But despite several raids by the agency and police, including the seizure of 64,900 tablets from a car in London, online shops are still selling thousands of pills a day.

Lesley King, a former head of the drugs intelligence unit and a British adviser to the European report, said that whether BZP is controlled by the Medicines Act "is a legally interesting point. If people sell it as a medicine it is illegal, but if it is sold as something else, like a soil fertiliser, it is not necessarily illegal. The courts would have to decide on a case-by-case basis."

'Its legal status is a big reason for people taking it'

"You feel very racy when you're high on it, your heart beats a lot. It gives you really loved-up feelings and mild euphoria. It also gives you an insane appreciation for music, though only music with a solid beat.

"When I took it, I noticed I was talking at crazy speeds and probably annoying everyone else around me. I also felt very dreamy and trippy, and space and time seemed to distort, although I didn't get any actual hallucinations."

Lewis and his friends, who have taken both BZP and ecstasy, say that the highs provided are somewhat similar, but Lewis is wary of taking ecstasy tablets.

"If you get caught with lots of BZP on you, you'll get a slapped wrist, but if you get caught with loads of MDMA [ecstasy] you'll be charged with possession and intent to supply a class A substance, which could result in a life prison sentence and an unlimited fine. So from a legal standpoint it's still far preferable.

"I didn't like the insane raciness and the dirty feel the BZP high provides, so I wouldn't choose it over other drugs.

"But I would imagine the legal status and its availability is the main reason people take it."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Stor...066573,00.html

[Abrad]

Many pills contain a mix of the worming drug, speed and ecstasy

Huh? That's a new one.

[Zaprenz]

Many pills contain a mix of the worming drug, speed and ecstasy

"THE worming drug" - I know party pill makers might be cheap but somehow I don't think they were ever adding non-substituted piperazine!

..and will the media please stop comparing it or likening it to viagra (sildenafil)!! Yes viagra has piperazine in its structure but its like comparing the effects of aspirin to amphetamine - they both contain a benzene ring so they must be similar(!)

as has been mentioned by many people before misinformation can be more damaging than a lack of information. Its understandable when its media stupidity but when those who are mean't to be in the know use these sound bites as warnings it can only be a bad thing in swims mind.

Benzylpiperazine (the chemical party pill makers have been adding to pills) might still suck none the less but loosing public confidence in these kind of reports is more damaging (as has been mentioned in the documentary ecstasy rising).

[Thirdedge]

Many pills contain a mix of the worming drug, speed and ecstasy

Originally Posted by Abrad

Huh? That's a new one.

That propaganda was started by the New Zealand Police. The reality is that many illegal street XTC tablets now also contain Piperazines, as well as Caffiene etc. The good old boys in blue turned it around to create media hysteria. Its like saying Coffee now contains MDMA.

[mydrugbuddie]

Apologies if this info is provided in some other thread, but I have searched the forum and not been able to find what I am looking for.

The subject of this thread is what interests me but it has not been updated for two years and I am sure there has been a lot of developments since then !!

As far as I can gather the sale of it is now banned in the UK although possesion is not illegal. I have found one online company still advertising many products contaning it for sale.

I saw George Lamb's BBC3 program on legal highs the other day, and it was his info that BZP is very simillar to speed led me to further research this on the the internet, where I found this forum.

So am I correct in thinking that high street "head shops" and online companies can get round bans by stating on their products "not for human consumption" ?

Or are they simply illegal, and likely to get busted at any time ?

Any further info would be gratefully received. Thankyou.

[eric144]

mdb

BZP is banned from sale but some companies are selling off old stock. The UK government sems to have a relatively casual attitude to the whole area. BZP will be a scheduled drug by the end of this year though and the game will be over. Herbal Highs is selling off their BZP products cheaply just now

In swim's opinion, mbzp is not as good a replaceement as Ketones, Amino Acid products like mitzees or LU Doves (which are just as good as bzp).

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[actarus]

swim, maybe selfishly yea, hopes that these junk pips will be make illegal, for the only reason that maybe in that way it'll be harder for scumbags producers to use piperazines-class drugs to make pips pills and sell 'em as ecstasy.
of course this is just swim opinion, and he says fuck pips they're ruining the mdma scene.