Health - Talc powder in balloons

[mrblazed]

Along with vaporized machine oil, paint chips and whatever else from whippits, talcum powder inside balloons may also be inhaled when dreaming about a whippit session with balloons and a cracker. According to some sources talcum is closely related to asbestos and in industrial grade talcum may actually contain trace amounts of asbestos. While the U.S. government claims since 1979 asbestos has been regulated out of the consumer products (baby powder and others) i doubt talc in punch balloons purchased from large department stores (usually made in china) are regulated. Besides that fact sources say it need not have asbestos in it to cause fibrosis, lung cancer and other pulminary diseases. Although it seems the U.S. governments and the american lung association's stance is that inhalation of consumer based talc products doesn't cause lung cancer. Interestingly enough there is heavy suspicion that talc powder used near the genital areas in women causes ovarian cancer, and also under less suspicion, medical gloves worn by surgeons that have talc on them can do damage to the organs touched.
SWIM must have inhaled a bit of talc powder before realizing danger and would recommend completley washing out balloons before use.

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Thanks for the insight. SWIM will for sure run any of those cheap balloons through a rinse before use. Better safe tha...

[benji2290]

SWIM has noticed that he gets a cough the day or two after a session, I wonder if this is the cause of it.

[Mega maniac]

Lol, is that your writing or from a source? only it reeks of an anti-drug speech.

"Along with vaporized machine oil, paint chips and whatever else from whippits"

I'm sorry what? You are now telling me that whippets sold for food (food being one of the most closely regulated industrys there are) contain machine oil and wood chips? Well, damn, somone tell starbucks. Not only that but it also says "there may be alspestos, I mean the 'government' say there isnt any in there, but thats all a massive conspiricy." How exactly am i supposed to give that any credibility?

[mrblazed]

Just wanted to bring to light the fact some people might not realise at first, inhaling talcum powder from balloons, especially if you smoke isn't a good idea. Im definatley not anti-drug. Im for legalization of all drugs but under regulations and quality control. "Food grade" nitrous oxide, which is used for alot more than just whipped cream, isn't as clean as "medical grade" which is intended for inhalation. Food industry might be one of the closest regulated, but how good is that? I for one don't exactly trust the government and "industry". I feel all "food grade" nitrous oxide should be as pure as "medical grade" but i guess that wouldn't be as cost effective for the "closesly regulated industry". And besides then they wouldn't have as much reason to put legal disclaimers on n2o chargers that inhaling it is dangerous for your health, because machine oil, paint chips and whatever else they probably know about but don't tell you (by products from mass manufacturing), certainley isn't good for your health, they are right about that.

[geezaman]

Somthing SWIM had not considered, thankSWIY for bringing it to our attention, SWIM is personally doubtfull of the risks because more often than not, balloons inevitebly leak spit after use, not actuall spit, but liquid condnsed on the inside of the balloon from out breath, SWIM believes any powdery residues of talc would stick to th moist inside of the balloon. But that would not apply to the first inhalation

[Mega maniac]

Originally Posted by mrblazed

Just wanted to bring to light the fact some people might not realise at first, inhaling talcum powder from balloons, especially if you smoke isn't a good idea. Im definatley not anti-drug. Im for legalization of all drugs but under regulations and quality control. "Food grade" nitrous oxide, which is used for alot more than just whipped cream, isn't as clean as "medical grade" which is intended for inhalation. Food industry might be one of the closest regulated, but how good is that? I for one don't exactly trust the government and "industry". I feel all "food grade" nitrous oxide should be as pure as "medical grade" but i guess that wouldn't be as cost effective for the "closesly regulated industry". And besides then they wouldn't have as much reason to put legal disclaimers on n2o chargers that inhaling it is dangerous for your health, because machine oil, paint chips and whatever else they probably know about but don't tell you (by products from mass manufacturing), certainley isn't good for your health, they are right about that.

My mistake then, you just stated things as fact which clarly aren't. I have personally never heard of wood chips OR machine oil getting into canisters of nitrous, i would infact be interested to know where you heard this...

Iv'e got friends who's parents have worked in packing companies (for sanwiches) and they get a check every 3 months and some random ones where they come in and run a whole load of the plastics through tests to make sure they are safe. As an example you may know about, Cadbury's had to withdraw millions of chocolate bars from shelves when one of their factories had salmonella found on the machinery.

I would suggest that whoever told you whippets have machine oil and woodchips (seriously, woodchips?????) in them were lying out of their ass.

I would even argue that the powder in ballons is probably as safe as water. Children could be blowing up those balloons, you really think a manufacturer is going to powder that is dangerous in a balloon?

"according to some sources talcum is closely related to asbestos and in industrial grade talcum may actually contain trace amounts of asbestos."

What sources?

I mean if you can back up any of these claims with literary articles then great, but im gonna have to give my gullable side a rest on this one.

[machine_elf]

I admit, I have found an oily residue with some brand of whippets, which prompted me to change brand.... however, it is food grade nitrous, so anyone suggesting that it contains asbestos, wood chips, or anything other than maybe a trace amount of food safe lubricant is talking rubbish.

[Nagognog2]

Talc is calcium carbonate. If it contained an impurity of asbestos - then it would be a problem. As calcium carbonate, I wouldn't worry about it much. No worse than spending a windy day by the sea in Dover, England next to the White Cliffs - which are talc.

[Pomzazed]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Talc is calcium carbonate. If it contained an impurity of asbestos - then it would be a problem. As calcium carbonate, I wouldn't worry about it much. No worse than spending a windy day by the sea in Dover, England next to the White Cliffs - which are talc.

Talc is NOT calcium carbonate! It is a silica based mineral naturally occur on the earth. The white cliffs is composed of "chalk", which is calcium carbonate in fine powder form. (but note that blackboard chalks are calsium sulfate)

Quote from Wikipedia

Talc (derived from the Persian via Arabic talq) is a mineral composed of hydratedmagnesiumsilicate with the chemical formula H2Mg3(SiO3)4 or Mg3Si4O10(OH)2. It occurs as foliated to fibrous masses, its monocliniccrystals being so rare as to be almost unknown. It has a perfect basal cleavage, and the folia are non-elastic, although slightly flexible. It is sectile and very soft, with a hardness of 1 (Talc is the softest of the Mohs' scale of mineral hardness). It has a specific gravity of 2.5–2.8, a waxlike or pearly luster, and is translucent to opaque. Its colour ranges from white to gray or green and it has a distinctly greasy feel. Its streak is white.
Talc is a metamorphic mineral resulting from the metamorphism of magnesian minerals such as pyroxene, amphibole, olivine and other similar minerals in the presence of carbon dioxide and water. This is known as talc carbonation or steatization and produces a suite of rocks known as talc carbonates.

Safety
Several studies have established preliminary links between talc and pulmonary issues,[1] lung cancer,[2][3] skin cancer and ovarian cancer.[4] This is a major concern considering talc's widespread commercial and household use. However, no conclusive study has yet been made to determine either the toxicity and/or carcinogenic nature of talc and the long history of safe use suggests that these concerns are unfounded. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) considers non-asbestiform talc, that is talc which does not contain potentially carcinogenicasbestiformamphibole fibers, to be Generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use in cosmetics.

[mrblazed]

The sources i am talking from, are just from researching on the internet. Im not trying to curb anyone from enjoying nitrous. The things i stated are all from what i read on the net (googling), not just pulled out of my imagination. I never said wood chips are in the chargers, i was speaking about the coating of paint on the chargers, i have noticed *paint* chips spray out into the balloon/ whatever your dispensing into. I dont think it would be possible for wood chips to make into chargers if it was around the machining for some weird reason. But for you guys who think industry cares about people may have another thing coming, industry cares about profits period. And anything they need to do to keep those profits, whether it be recalling bad food or what not. Anyway research and discussion is good so we can learn more, just google talc powder etc. that is what i was bringing this up from.
http://www.preventcancer.com/consume...etics/talc.htm

[geezaman]

Originally Posted by mrblazed

. But for you guys who think industry cares about people may have another thing coming, industry cares about profits period. And anything they need to do to keep those profits, whether it be recalling bad food or what not.

For the company to stay in business, not get shut down and not be on the front of the newspapers they need to maintain certain standards. SWIM knows they only care about profits, but that is why they do make recalls on problem products, and spend time making sure their products are not dangerous or hazardous. Paint chips, its a fact, the chargers are painted to stop them going rusty which would be considered more troublesome in a food preparation area

[Mega maniac]

Originally Posted by mrblazed

The sources i am talking from, are just from researching on the internet. Im not trying to curb anyone from enjoying nitrous. The things i stated are all from what i read on the net (googling), not just pulled out of my imagination. I never said wood chips are in the chargers, i was speaking about the coating of paint on the chargers, i have noticed *paint* chips spray out into the balloon/ whatever your dispensing into. I dont think it would be possible for wood chips to make into chargers if it was around the machining for some weird reason. But for you guys who think industry cares about people may have another thing coming, industry cares about profits period. And anything they need to do to keep those profits, whether it be recalling bad food or what not. Anyway research and discussion is good so we can learn more, just google talc powder etc. that is what i was bringing this up from.
http://www.preventcancer.com/consume...etics/talc.htm

I realise your repeating stuff you have read on the net, but you cant just automatically assume what you read on the net is gospel truth.
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"I never said wood chips are in the chargers"
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"paint chips and whatever else from whippits"
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You are now changing what you wrote, if you didnt mean wood chips then dont say wood chips, its just sloppy journalism.

I googled talc powder and whist suspicious of aspestos are there there is nothing more to link baby powder to aspestos than there is to link mobile
phone use to brain cancer. (thats a no link atall people)

I seriously doubt you are telling the truth about seeing a paint chip being blown into a balloon, unless the cracker was the worst design ever then its just stupidly unlikly. Whats more, whilst inhaling paint is not good for you, getting perhaps one chip in every thousand balloons you do is still not a danger worth knowing about.

Has there ever been a story about any of this affecting heavy nos users? Anything atall to back up what you are saying you have cited from articles on the net?

Im not trying to tell people to ignore the dangers of drugs here, people should absolubtly know there is a real danger of b12 deficiancy in heavy use, but thats because its a REAL danger. You just cant expect people to be "aware" of a danger that doesnt frankly exist.

You say you are happy to use these drugs yourself, what i am failing to understand is that as a drug user i HATE, i ademantly dispise the way the media just feeds the public lies about drugs, or at the very least a severly twisted truth. For somone who i must assume as a drug user must have a simmilar mind set to me on the media at large you just seem very ready to post a statement that has about as much factual basis as an article from the sun.

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