Combining Cocaine and MDMA

[jo-jo]

Hey Guys, im new here, hope your all well!

SWIM has so many questions for you all!!! She takes E an average 5-6 times a year at home with her boyfriend and has done for the last 4 years but none of her friends take it or anyone else she knows so she could do with some advice from you guy`s.

SWIM recently took coke for the first time but didnt really get any effect off it apart from feeling pretty depressed for a couple of days after
SWIM is due what she refers to as a "BLOW OUT" soon and wants to know if it is safe to take E and Coke together???

[jardo]

As with any type of stimulants, it's important to know your body. SWIM has mixed cocaine and MDMA on numerous occasions without problems. Don't listen to the people who tell you alcohol and MDMA or coke are a bad mix either. Just be careful.

Within the past 2 years, SWIM has never taken a single mg of MDMA *without* being completely intoxicated (alcohol, or various other intoxicants) beforehand. FACT. And the majority of the time if there is MDMA around SWIM, SWIM tends to find the cocaine as well.. But SWIM has found that if you do cocaine BEFORE the MDMA, it sometimes 'dulls' the effect of MDMA. SWIM doesn't have the answer why, it's just an observation. So if you find yourself ripped on blow but your pill hasn't kicked in after 2 hours of waiting.. it probably won't for the rest of the evening, so don't pop another.

It's all about moderation and knowing your limits. Everyone is different Always question your source of information, (yes even me). But if you have a history of heart or circulatory problems (or something having to do with blood pressure), I would not recommend the use of stimulants at all, to be honest. Otherwise..

SWIM advises to be aware of your body's hydration when mixing stimulants, as it is easy to forget ones own body temperature and hydration when caught up in the rollercoaster of a speed high. Just be aware of your body, keep yourself hydrated (but don't drink TOO much water.. although very uncommon, it is possible to 'over-hydrate' yourself to the point of hyponatremia where you've basically diluted your blood to dangerous levels.

But alas, this is not common.. just be aware, is my point. S'long as you don't over exert your body, there's nothing to be too concerned about with this combination. SWIM is living proof. If you feel yourself getting too jittery or sweaty, just relax; sit down, take a breather... realize your body is telling you something. Don't panic, it's just a warning. Other than that.. SWIM says its'all good.

..but don't take it from me or SWIM.. do some searching on erowid.org or even google. There are usally two sides to every story.

*Stay alert, stay safe*

[Nature Boy]

Simply put, no, coke is not safe to use with E. A powerful combination like that puts great stress on the heart. Now that's not to say it can't be done, SWIM knows people who do it from time to time but it's generally unhealthy and very dangerous in high doses.

[raven3davis]

Originally Posted by nature_boy_liam

Simply put, no, coke is not safe to use with E. A powerful combination like that puts great stress on the heart. Now that's not to say it can't be done, SWIM knows people who do it from time to time but it's generally unhealthy and very dangerous in high doses.

Well put. Mixing the two will put extra strain on the heart and thus make the combination more dangerous than either drug taken alone, but SWIM and friends have tried this combo several times without any difficulties except a worse comedown. It is a dangerous combo but if you do it, just be careful with the yayo. Dont over do it.

[jo-jo]

Thanks for the advice.
I dont think SWIM will bother, it sound like it`s not worth takin the risk and SWIM would probably just end up bein paranoid all night anyway!

SWIM is gonna just stick to what she knows......

[The Dr]

But SWIM has found that if you do cocaine BEFORE the MDMA, it sometimes 'dulls' the effect of MDMA. SWIM doesn't have the answer why, it's just an observation. So if you find yourself ripped on blow but your pill hasn't kicked in after 2 hours of waiting.. it probably won't for the rest of the evening, so don't pop another.

very true....swim has found pills to have little or no effect after coke....and taking coke after pills brings one down. Also with the combined heart stress, all in all best to bother mixing the two.

[jardo]

Im response to the two replies the follow mine, while I don't completely disagree with you, I still feel it is a tad misleading to condemn MDMA *completely* from mixing it with cocaine. Though not as good as MDMA by its self, SWIM has found it to be enjoyable,

For the most part, mixing any drug with any other drug will increase the users risk, some more so than others. Consider the case of a MDMA / MAOI combination. You will find that most articles will explicitly meantion he dangers of an MDMA / MAOI mix. It is VERY likely that you will encounter a serious health problem, so it's a BIG BIG no-no right off the bat.

In contrast, not much is said of a MDMA / cocaine combination other than that itis not recommended. No, that doesn't mean it's perfectly okay for you to do, but I think the above replies are exaggeratting the dangers as do a plethora of articles you will find on the web...

Some food for thought:

Originally Posted by mdma.net

Elevation of body temperature can seriously worsen possible MDMA-induced toxicity; and the thermogenic effect of MDMA is magnified in a hot environment like an indoor rave. Certainly, hypothermia-inducing agents are (partially) neuroprotective against Ecstasy damage; and the primary role of dopamine in MDMA-induced toxicity may actually be to elevate body temperature via its increased action on the dopamine D1 receptors rather than its uptake into the depleted serotonergic axon terminals. But consensus on the molecular mechanisms behind MDMA megadose-induced damage remains elusive.
MDMA itself (probably) isn't the culprit.

Keep in mind, that you will rarely find PURE MDMA pills, and even more unfortunate is the fact that some bath-tub cooks will mix MDMA with substances like methamphetamine, or caffeine, or dexadrine, or ephedra, etc.. Cheap drugs that weigh the pills down, and exponentiate the speedy effects for those who like dancing all night. They potetiate the health risk ten fold. Unless you have an extremely reliable source of mdma.. you could be doing one or many of these substances. In some cases, you may not even be doing MDMA at all!

SWIM will not disclose any detailed information other than that SWIM has been fortunate enough to have experienced pure mdma, and is confident of the reliability of SWIMs source. PURE MDMA is off white, sticky, and will taste like black licorice (bitter). A pure MDMA high is stricly a 'warm' euphoric feeling and does not have the same stimulating effect characteristic of a speed. SWIM also says, you will probably never find pure mdma in a pressed pill, as most pressed pills are combined with an adhesive agent (to hold it together), and possibly a colouring agent. SWIM thinks it is safe to say most pressed pills.. are not just MDMA, so keep that in mind.

Other than that let me just repeat that the risks and toxicity of mdma are often exaggerated. If you read the links I provided, you will see I'm not just talking out of my ass here, so I suggest reading at least some of the articles (you can skip the science mumbo-jumbo, don't let it scare you away, there is a lot of valuable information hiding behind the scientific jargon.)

And.. I'm in no way advocating the use of MDMA or cocaine, but I feel it is necessary to diffuse some of the anxiety in the event one does find themselves in a situation where the two substances have *somehow* entered the body.

http://mdma.net/mdma/controversies.html

http://mdma.net/index.html

http://www.mdma.net/toxicity/coffee.html

http://www.abc.net.au/dimensions/dim...ts/s573090.htm

http://www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter10.html

[a-SalviaLover]

I find the effects of MDMA and coke rather incompatible. It may be good for dancing. But the empathogenic effects are far more important for me and in my opinion coke would kill them.

[jardo]

SWIM agrees. SWIM wouldn't have said that 2-3 years ago, but SWIM has since learned that his body just can't take the kind of constant abuse he was putting it through.

Which I think makes sense. So much energy being used and high blood pressure, and a heart forced to work overtime in such a short time and so frequently catches up with you. SWIM is glad he realized this sooner than later.

SWIM finds the psychadelics to be much more rewarding s'long as they are used for the right reasons, and they don't trick you into thinking you need them. But alas.. I'm off topic. My bad.

[Tony Blair]

Cant understand what the motivation is in the first place, I'd rather clean my teeth and eat cheese and onion crisps at the same time.

[jduba]

coke always killed swims roll unlike meth that blew swim out the water when mixed. but safe yes just dont over work your heart!

[kuntakensay]

SWIM is taking tabs for new years, and a friend told him that doing a line of cocaine will bring the peak back for say- 20 minutes? I have also heard that doing it ruins the roll.

Any feedback on this?

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM did this once and she went from rolling her ass off, to "straight sober" in seconds. It totally killed the buzz.

[Donmeka]

ouch that would just hurt SWIM in the tender spot

[Allez]

I presume they meant taking a line in the afterglow stage, when the buzz is already gone but you're not quite down.

I've read about the same thing with ketamine, but I've no experience either way (really, I have no experience, not trying to avoid self incrimination).

[kuntakensay]

Originally Posted by Allez

I presume they meant taking a line in the afterglow stage, when the buzz is already gone but you're not quite down.

I've read about the same thing with ketamine, but I've no experience either way (really, I have no experience, not trying to avoid self incrimination).

Yeah, that's what i've heard/read also

[Frankster420]

xtc works mainly on seratonin receptors and cocaine on dopamine receptors so I don't see how coke would bring the high back. then again, swim doesn't know that much about xtc...

This post got me to do some reading. I did a little bit of research and I found out that doing cocaine during AND ESPECIALLY after doing XTC is a really really bad idea for the long term. Whether or not MDMA cuases permanent neurotoxicity is up for debate. However it is pretty clear that much of the damage done to seratonin mechanism in one's brain, is not actually caused by the MDMA but by the entrance of dopamine into the seratonin reuptake mechanism. This is why users have said that taking a SSRI with E will stop the damage (which according to users also makes the "magic" entagonigistic affects of the E dissapear as well).

Anyways, once the E trip is done, your brain is just outta seratonin. This is where the dopamine enters what is then an extremely vulnerable seratonin reuptake mechanism. While seratonin (or any SSRI) would have a high affinity to the receptors and would usually prevent the dopamine from entering, without the seratonin the less affable dopamine can bond to the seratonin receptors and where enzymes break it down into chemicals that cause neurotoxicity. Doing cocaine with depleted seratonin would send a whole lot of dopamine into the seratonin reuptake mechanism which is not good dude.

Oh yea, and coke isn't usually cool to mess with anyways.

All of this isn't 100% fo sho, but I hope this helps.

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[Fantasian]

SWIF always found that doing cocaine made him feel like he can handle anything. This meant that he could "Handle" the euphoria caused by ecstasy which makes the effects somewhat less impressive. It gives the whole night a differant feel in SWIF's Oppinion, SWIF dances more but it's less magical. At the same time tho SWIF looks like less of a mess when combining with coke.

If your looking to keep that intense high coke wont do that for you, nor will most other drugs, E is special

[Nature Boy]

SWIM's never tried this combo himself but knows swimmers who have and they don't recommend it. They do nothing to compliment each others' effects and it puts great stress on the heart leaving one feeling flushed and generally wired (not in the good way).

[D.U.M.B]

SWIM has done Cocaine and XTC together a few times and to be honest he finds it does and doesn't kill the buzz.

One time SWIM took a pill and then he had a nice line of coke a few seconds later. The come up and the buzz were quiet strong and it did last quiet a while.

Doing coke an hour or two after taking the pill has killed any potential strong buzz for SWIM before

But taking a line on the comedown can be quiet nice as it levels SWIM at. Not as nice as a big fat joint on the comedown though

[megassj]

Coke defenitly doesn't make the xtc feeling better and sometimes it can make it go away a little. But I spose when your in the final stages it might just be the thing you need, it als really helps in keeping your jaws together a bit(if you got to sleep later).

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM thinks there is a thread somewhere devoted to this topic, but if not, here's SWIM's modest opinion: he'd stay away from combining them. SWIM did so once, and it not only killed the "magic" of the ecstasy high, but it also pushed his heart rate up to an alarming level for a bit. So, in the interest of avoiding tachycardia, SWIM would advise against this combination.

[KomodoMK]

SWIM and friends have done this on many an occasion and I have never been able to understand why. In SWIMs experience it only serves to suppress the Ecstasy buzz. SWIM always said next time he wouldn't combine the two next time but somehow did. I think it was just because he was intoxicated heavily and it was sitting there on offer at the time.

Either way, experience would say keep clear of this combo.

[Jenkins]

Hi, SWIM is taking .5 worth of MDMA tomorow night, and SWIhisfriend is buying a packet. SWIM is interested in coke and would like to try it, hes heard mixed response about mixing these two.... Some of his friends have told him it has topped them off nicely, but others say its a buzz killer.

thanks

[podge]

Swim didnt find it an especially good mix. Swim enjoyed it while it lasted but the experience was too drawn out , when the MDMA wore off swim kept snorting coke and swim just ended up burned out from the MDMA but wired from the coke. Carefull though....MDMA and coke will put quite a strain on swiy's heart !