Purity - cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by KyleM

Thanks for the quick response. Is there a sure way to prevent MDMA from going through the filter paper though when pouring into second beaker? SWIM used medium flow 15" lab filter paper and these MDMA crystals formed in the second beaker, meaning they went right through the filter. Most of the binders/fillers were trapped in the filter, exactly the opposite that SWIM expected to happen. Is it possible the acetone was not dry enough or a better filter could have been used?

Yes, you need to order "low flow" filter papers from any online lab supply. If the crystals are making it thru your filter paper, it's definitely to pouress.

Le Junk

[KyleM]

Thanks, SWIM is going to order some new ones before he tries again

[DankstarR]

Hey, is there any way of going about getting the Acetone without having to order it online, or do the Epson Salt method? SWIM isn't able to use an oven for a 2 hour period, nor order products of the internet.

[f13nd]

would this work on mda as well

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by f13nd

would this work on mda as well

ABSOLUTELY!

Le Junk

[Nackrite]

so my turket is atm trying to cook the epsom salt to add to the acetone i purchased...hes baked it at 400 for 2 hours and it is still white and looks dried out but is certainly not ash...he will keep baking it until it is as described i guess.

if anyone has ny thoughts on this please...

[Nackrite]

he tells me he cooked it for nearly 4 hours at 400 and it simply caked/baked leaving it not realy in a salt form but not ash and only slight color change on the top.

what does swiy think should b done to correct this, from the instructions it seemed foolproof.

[Drewby85]

so, a success story for OP. SWIM grabbed 9 clean tabs, 260 mg in size, successfully performed procedure and was left with 648mg of molly. This was only after one wash, using slow flow qualitative filter papers. SWIM perfomed operation a little differently allowing all the MDMA containing Acetone to filter through the paper, leaving un-wanted colored product on the filter paper. after powder was thorougly stirred in acetone to let product seperate, it was filtered through the paper into a 10''X12'' pyrex cookie sheet. the acetone evaporated off the pan in under 24 hrs. using several fresh razor-blades, swim scraped the residue off the bottom of the pan. low and behold a beige powder arose.... BAM!! tested straight to black on all reagents, in the amnt. of 648mg...

SWIM tested remaining impurities, still some purple in there... may be up for another run after a bit.

things of importance to note: 180 mg did nothing for swims tolerance. Booster dose 140 1hr later produced threashold effects... but very nice mood, clear headedness, etc.

Swim agrees with lejunk on dosage, min. of 200 mg followed another 1 hr with another equal dose, just to reach desired effects.

as always Swiy should; take caution when taking substances, carefully weiging out doses, and always, always take it slow.

PEACE

[Nackrite]

swim has continued to have no success in turning epsom salt to ash using this method...swim has also tried adjusting the time, amount, and temperature but simply cannot find success.

is there more than one type of epsom salt? maybe this could be a problem...on the bag swim used it says it is "magnesium sulfate usp".

[KyleM]

http://mv.lycaeum.org/mu/MgSO4.html

This may explain it a little better. All epsom salts are the same chemically. It shouldn't turn to complete ash, but it will turn white and dull and no longer look transparent at all. Remember also that anhydrous magnesium sulfate may absorb water from the air so it may be difficult to have completely anhydrous magnesium sulfate, better off buying anhydrous acetone online or SWIY could end up losing more product than necessary in the end.

[Nackrite]

Originally Posted by KyleM

http://mv.lycaeum.org/mu/MgSO4.html

This may explain it a little better. All epsom salts are the same chemically. It shouldn't turn to complete ash, but it will turn white and dull and no longer look transparent at all. Remember also that anhydrous magnesium sulfate may absorb water from the air so it may be difficult to have completely anhydrous magnesium sulfate, better off buying anhydrous acetone online or SWIy could end up losing more product than necessary in the end.

thx alot swim will find this very useful...

[gilligan_911]

Hi all,

so in a period of maybe a week or 2 SWIM will be ordering the anhydrous mag suf from the site that mr. le junk gave us along with a few goodies to make it seem like science class. the only problem SWIM seems to have is that he has no access to any good filters. he looked on the site but was unable to locate lowflow papers. SWIM has coffee filters but would rather use something a but better...

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Very good write up, really exciting to read!

[seejaneshred]

Sorry for another question on the same subject but im confused. Some people are having success with the molly staying in the filter while others are experiencing it going through and settling while the binders and goo stay in the filter. One person stated that the acetone wash was filtered onto a plate and he scrapped up tons of molly that passed through the filter and a glob of binders stayed in the filter. Does the anhydrous acetone need to be room temp or cold?? Also, if SWIM poured the acetone wash through the filter and there was a pile of powder in the filter and also tons of crystals in the second beaker then SWIM understands SWIM must "pan-off" the crystals floating at the very bottom, but wasnt the bulk of the molly supposed to be in the filter? If so, how does SWIM seperate from all of the other stuff in the filter? SWIM tested both the floating crystals and the filter powder and both test nicely for MDMA.?????????

thanks in advance ! ! ! ! ! !

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by seejaneshred

Sorry for another question on the same subject but im confused. Some people are having success with the molly staying in the filter while others are experiencing it going through and settling while the binders and goo stay in the filter. One person stated that the acetone wash was filtered onto a plate and he scrapped up tons of molly that passed through the filter and a glob of binders stayed in the filter. Does the anhydrous acetone need to be room temp or cold?? Also, if SWIM poured the acetone wash through the filter and there was a pile of powder in the filter and also tons of crystals in the second beaker then SWIM understands SWIM must "pan-off" the crystals floating at the very bottom, but wasnt the bulk of the molly supposed to be in the filter? If so, how does SWIM seperate from all of the other stuff in the filter? SWIM tested both the floating crystals and the filter powder and both test nicely for MDMA.?????????

thanks in advance ! ! ! ! ! !

No problem. First off, the filters must be low to medium flow. If any MDMA is making thru those filters, they're either using coffee filter papers or high flow filter papers. Secondly, you put all of the finely chopped pills/powder into the 20-30 ml.s of acetone, stir and then cover. Let the acetone on top become clear while the molly crystals lay directly on the bottom while the few acetone insoluble and flat looking cuts lay directly on top of the crystals. Once settled, carefully pour out the acetone and the flat looking cut that wants to pour out as easily as the acetone, stoping just short of any actual MDMA crystals falling out with them into a filter. Cover the filter and repour 10 more ml.s of fresh acetone into the original beaker still containing your mostly MDMA crytals with a little residual flat powder stuck to the side from the original pour. Cover and let settle. Once again, carefully try and pour into the original filter, just the flat powder looking substance stoping just short of the crystals. This time, you should have at least 98% pure MDMA crytals left in the beaker, and just a trace of powder still, if any.

Remove, but don't throw away the original filter paper. Replace with a fresh new filter paper, swirl the final washing and pour the entire contents into the new filter paper. Cover. Pour a little fresh acetone into the beaker to gather any remaining crystals and pour them into the fillter paper. Cover and let drain thoroughly. Remove and press the filter paper containing the nearly pure MDMA crystals in between a few paper towels to absorb any excess acetone. Preferably leave inside of the filter paper and let air dry in a non-humid environment for at least 48 hours. Open, crush up, pour into 120 mg.s capsules, drop and enjoy!

Once finished and desperate for more, take the original filter paper containing mostly cuts along with the few MDMA crystals that fell thru with the original pours and crush the mixture up thoroughly. Pour the entire contents onto one side of a wax coated paper plate. Take the plate in your hands and tilt it slightly towards you with the pile at the top. From underneath, gently tap on the pile and the crystals will pop out of and fall directly down the plate towards you. Stop tapping when the powder starts to fall with the crystals. Gather the crystals and put them on a seperate plate. Push the entire pile back to the top and keep repeating this tedious process for about 10-15 minutes until every last crystal has been seperated. Discard the powder, cap up the crytals into 120 mg. capsules, drop and enjoy.........again!

courtesy of the now semi-retired and new daddy, Le Junk

[Nackrite]

swim was wondering what the final stuff inside the filter should look like (crystals?). it appears to swim it is simply the powder that was originally placed in the acetone (it did not dissolve completely), is there another step that should be taken or is it fit for consumption once let to dry?

[gilligan_911]

A little birdie tells SWIM to tell SWIY that it should probably be washed again

[Greenport]

If swiY is having trouble coming across either Ethyl or Isopropyl alcohol in such a pure form, swiM recommends setting up a simple distiller - 'tis one thing swiM thinks anybody should be able to create using things one can find around the house:

1) Fill 1 flask (or similar glass bottle) with the highest grade alcohol available (either one - use Vodka for ethyl alcohol since it is essentially only alcohol + water.)

2) Hook a curved pipe-like piece open on both ends (best is glass, can use others tho) to the top of the bottle. SwiY should have a bottle with a piece connected that looks like a faucet. This is the hardest part to get, try a hardware store maybe you can find a metal or glass piece shaped like this (for plumbing?)

3) Hook another flask (glass bottle) to the other end.

4) Put one of the bottles on an ELECTRIC stove (no open flames!!!) at between 85C and 95C. (To find out this point, boil water away at the lowest setting possible - that setting is 100C - then lower the temperature just a little bit more from there.)

5) When done, the alcohol will be in the new bottle and the water will be in the old one - assuming your temperature did not go above 100C or below 82C.

Btw this works with a lot of liquids and soluble powders - look up their melting and boiling points on wikipedia .

Oh, and if swiY is having troubles:
1) try putting the non-heated bottle/part of the curved piece in an ice-bath - letting your product cool and turn back to liquid more quickly, if necessary.

2) check to make sure none of your product is escaping from any gaps and/or holes in your distiller.

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Wish it were the other way around then one could just boil away the water but it dnt work like that .

[KyleM]

Originally Posted by Greenport

If swiY is having trouble coming across either Ethyl or Isopropyl alcohol in such a pure form, swiM recommends setting up a simple distiller - 'tis one thing swiM thinks anybody should be able to create using things one can find around the house:

1) Fill 1 flask (or similar glass bottle) with the highest grade alcohol available (either one - use Vodka for ethyl alcohol since it is essentially only alcohol + water.)

2) Hook a curved pipe-like piece open on both ends (best is glass, can use others tho) to the top of the bottle. SwiY should have a bottle with a piece connected that looks like a faucet. This is the hardest part to get, try a hardware store maybe you can find a metal or glass piece shaped like this (for plumbing?)

3) Hook another flask (glass bottle) to the other end.

4) Put one of the bottles on an ELECTRIC stove (no open flames!!!) at between 85C and 95C. (To find out this point, boil water away at the lowest setting possible - that setting is 100C - then lower the temperature just a little bit more from there.)

5) When done, the alcohol will be in the new bottle and the water will be in the old one - assuming your temperature did not go above 100C or below 82C.

Btw this works with a lot of liquids and soluble powders - look up their melting and boiling points on wikipedia .

Oh, and if swiY is having troubles:
1) try putting the non-heated bottle/part of the curved piece in an ice-bath - letting your product cool and turn back to liquid more quickly, if necessary.

2) check to make sure none of your product is escaping from any gaps and/or holes in your distiller.

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Wish it were the other way around then one could just boil away the water but it dnt work like that .

200 proof ethanol is available online, that might be a better option...

[chemlove]

Sounds like an awesome way to have that Molly of a time if thats not a function where certain SWIM"s live. My friend believes that if you haven't had that read molly exp. then you really don't know what your missing. He said " nine of out ten times street pills have these additives that distinctly change the experience". This here sounds like a great way to help someone who may be in an area where he can't help himself, or is really scarred cause people around are shady and the SWIM might not wanna hurt himself.

THNX for the write up SWIM loved it!

[I_Luv_Ur_Mum]

Swim was just talking to me and was wondering what would happen if you used nail polish remover as it contained acetone. also would the stuff that we all used to use in chemistry lessons the perfect stuff for the job. he is very inexperienced in this kind of work and appollogises in advance

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by I_Luv_Ur_Mum

Swim was just talking to me and was wondering what would happen if you used nail polish remover as it contained acetone. also would the stuff that we all used to use in chemistry lessons the perfect stuff for the job. he is very inexperienced in this kind of work and appollogises in advance

Nail polish remover DOES NOT work! I repeat, does not work.

Do not even attempt....

Le Junk

[Treesniper119]

Lets say that SWIM is getting these ecestasy pills "nearly pure" from a very trusted SWIAD, and aside from the majority percentage of mdma there is just the small percentage of binder holding it together. If I were to crush these down and wash them, following all the rules "le junk" provided, would it be worth my time and effort and money? (If, as you said earlier, that
"not all binders and fillers are washed out"), should I even bother doing this to ensure a more intense roll? Since I don't roll but once a month and take 5-HTP regularly to increase seretonin would it be more rational just to enjoy the pills without the crush/wash/dry/cap method previously provided?
How much filler is in an average X-pill as far as an mdma:filler ratio is concerned (yes, I know this can vary dramatically) is it around
90%:10% ?
85%:15% ?
As for pure medicinalized pills on the market today, what is their ratio with an average 120mg pill?

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by Treesniper119

Lets say that SWIM is getting these ecestasy pills "nearly pure" from a very trusted SWIAD, and aside from the majority percentage of mdma there is just the small percentage of binder holding it together. If I were to crush these down and wash them, following all the rules "le junk" provided, would it be worth my time and effort and money? (If, as you said earlier, that
"not all binders and fillers are washed out"), should I even bother doing this to ensure a more intense roll? Since I don't roll but once a month and take 5-HTP regularly to increase seretonin would it be more rational just to enjoy the pills without the crush/wash/dry/cap method previously provided?
How much filler is in an average X-pill as far as an mdma:filler ratio is concerned (yes, I know this can vary dramatically) is it around
90%:10% ?
85%:15% ?
As for pure medicinalized pills on the market today, what is their ratio with an average 120mg pill?

I think the actual average size of a typical MDMA pill is somewhere around 250-300 total mg.s, all substances included. Therefore, if the pill actually does contain the required dosage of 120 mg.s, which in the U.S. is practically unheard of, then that would make it at least 1/2 of the total makeup of the pill, but most likely more.

And yes, it's absolutely worth it! By eliminating unwanted binders and fillers, your not only getting rid of who knows what all kind of crap, but more importantly, your speeding up the entire onset of the high since your body won't be having to break down those additional binders, and thus, giving you more of a pure, molly type of experience as a whole.

FYI: If your perform this procedure 100% correctly, you can then carefully seperate the actual MDMA crystals from any undissolved binders, fillers or impurities left unsoluble by the acetone. To do this, crush the pills into as absolute fine a powder as possible. Add the powder to the required amount of acetone. Stir thoroughly for about 2-3 minutes, cover immediately and let settle completely. Once the top layer of acetone is nearly clear or dirty clear, use a light to examine the solid at the bottom. Upon careful examination, you will notice two layers have formed. The top layer being the insoluble impurities, and the bottom layer, well, the sweet ass pure MDMA crystals!

To rid of the flat powder top layer and just keep the crystals, carefully pour the acetone portion along with the free falling top powder out into an awaiting filter, making you you stop just short of any of those precious crystals falling out. Add a little more fresh acetone into the beaker and stir once more. Cover. Repeat the slow pour process until all you have left is new and freshly poured acetone and pure crystals. Throw the first filter paper with just the powder and no crystals into the trash when finished. We've now got serious work to do!

Once this is obtained, use an entirely seperate filter paper to catch the "real deal" and final phase of the pouring of the pure MDMA crystals. If any get stuck to the side of the beaker after your final pour, add a little more fresh acetone into the beaker to gather them, swirl, and pour all of them into the filter with just the pure MDMA crystals. Cover the filter paper with a paper towel each time your waiting on it to drain. Once the final filter paper contains just pure MDMA crystals, add 10 more ml.s of fresh acetone directly down into the bottom of the filter paper and directly onto those pure MDMA crystals. This will be your final rinse.

Remove the filter paper containing your nearly 100% pure MDMA, press firmly yet carefully on both sides of the filter paper to squeeze out any remaining acetone. Now, carefully fold over the filter paper containing those beautiful crystals and place between a few paper towels. Press firmly on the clump of crystals to absorb any final remaining traces of acetone, blow dry the clump with a regular blow dryer on hot for about 5 minutes and then carefully open the filter paper up containing the crystals over a clean ceramic plate. Crush up those beautiful crystals into as fine a powder as possible. Let air dry on that same ceramic plate, covered lightly with something that can still lt it breathe, but will help keep dust etc. out over the next 48 hours. Yeah, that's right, 48 hours and no less, alright?

After 48 hours, scrape up into 150 mg. piles and either cap up or simply place your finger tip on the 150 mg.s of pure MDMA and enjoy in about 10-15 minutes, tops! This just may be your best MDMA experience ever, so prepare to be dazzled.

So, in answer to your question, yes, it's worth it 100%! Guaranteed, and you have Le Junk's word on that.

have fun, Le Junk

[KyleM]

SWIM is having an issue, it appears that many of the non-MDMA parts will not dissolve in the acetone, let alone pass through the filter paper. SWIM had luck only once with the "panning" method by accident. Besides that it always seems to end up with just a mixture of pill and acetone that won't go through the filter (with pills that were really strong even without cleansing). Any suggestions?

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by KyleM

SWIM is having an issue, it appears that many of the non-MDMA parts will not dissolve in the acetone, let alone pass through the filter paper. SWIM had luck only once with the "panning" method by accident. Besides that it always seems to end up with just a mixture of pill and acetone that won't go through the filter (with pills that were really strong even without cleansing). Any suggestions?

Did you read my post directly above yours? Folks, it is imperative that you first obtain LOW-MEDIUM FLOW filter papers before ever even attempting to perform this exercise. IMPERATIVE! Otherwise, I simply cannot be responsible for any losses you suffer as a result of insufficient materials needed. I'm truly sorry......

Le Junk