Purity - cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

[gplant]

A question on the filters, would this suffice?

equivalent to Whatman #1
pore size is 11 microns (11um)
medium speed

[gplant]

how would those work?

[nobiie.3]

Is there any other solvents we could possibly use, like something SWIM would find in our household?

Would Isopropyl alchol work for caffeine and amphetamine at the same time, since caffeine is soluble in water?

[freebooter]

Thanks to everyone for an excellent discussion.

Perhaps up to 50% of the ecstasy pills in europe at the moment are adulterated with a drug called mcpp, which I believe belongs to the piperazone family. It is not at all similar to mdma, mcpp is a hallucinogen with effects somewhat like pcylocibin etc. Apparently it is still technically legal and dirt cheap, I suppose thereby making it a convenient substitute for various drug creators. None the less, these drug creators are evil and will surely go to hell for polluting the continent with this stuff.

So my next question is ~ has anyone yet performed a successful extraction/wash for mcpp? Please post any clues you might have, apologies for not conducting my own research first - I will read up on solubility etc and post more information when I have it.

Again thanks to all posting on the forum and the moderators.

f

[Future]

Will swim be able to just let the acetone sit in the shot glass with the molly crystals and let it evaporate instead of using the sulfur?

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by Future

Will swim be able to just let the acetone sit in the shot glass with the molly crystals and let it evaporate instead of using the sulfur?

Theoretically, SWIM could do that, but pouring everything into a filter paper and adding a final acetone rinse would be far superior.

Le Junk

[Future]

Interesting, is it possible that a 25 micron screen be able to catch MDMA crystals?

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by Future

Interesting, is it possible that a 25 micron screen be able to catch MDMA crystals?

Medium to high flow filter papers work perfectly. Much better, in fact, for this procedure than low flow papers.

Le Junk

[Nagognog2]

The answer is no. This method has been worked out carefully to make it as simple as possible. Stick with the recipe, or enjoy your waffles.

[nobiie.3]

Swim know's that there is a method, but from what i see, 99% would work the same since caffeine is alcohol soluble, I have done the extraction and was left with 1/2 the product put in as Le Junk said, Swim haa yet to test, but will report when swim does.

[robert whitfield]

Have any swiys tryed this wash with crystal MDMA ?

SWIM got given some the other day but it has a dirty white/brown colour to it so SWIM is assuming that it has not had the final wash ?

What ratio acetone (ml) to MDMA (g) should SWIM use, also what size filters are best as SWIM found medium flow rate to be a little vage.

Should this get the dirty colour out of the crystals ?

many thanks robert

[poweruser]

SWIY is a great person for sharing his knowledge with SWIM. I think SWIM might try this someday when enough money comes in. Thank [God].... errr I mean SWIY.

[meep]

Sorry to bump and old thread (which is awesome by the way)

Swim is planning to clean some pills tonight, swims not seen them yet but is concerned slightly, say swim has a pill that was split 50/50 mdma and caffeine, swim would expect to see half a pills worth of MDMA in the bottom of his shot glass.

What if swims pills are 30% MDMA 30% caffeine 20% amphetamine and say 20% ket (swims no idea how pills are made up) would cleaning the caffeine out do anything to the ket or amphs?

Swims ideally looking for Molly at the end of his wash, swims only after that special buzz =) Fair enough swim can remove the amph with an alcohol wash (would it be worth it with 180 proof?) but will the acetone do anything to the ket (or anyother unknowns) that may be detrimental to swims health?

Swims not a big pill head and has only ever had pure molly so please dont be mean to swim if he is asking a silly question =P

edit: swim ended up with molly from the guy anyway - nice little surprise. Question still remains for next time though!

[London_Bloke]

Wonderful article - the directions were concise, simple and easy to follow. And fun, too. Sort of like making chocolate chip cookies with a side-kick to help you from eating too much raw cookie dough!

I was wondering if there was a similar process for methylone? SWIM has a fair amount from a recent acquisition that is very tan in color, smells to high-hell like Band-Aids and (here's the REAL problem) it doesn't just cause the expected 20 minutes of lower GI distress - this stuff has SWIM running back and forth to bathroom for the entire duration. Tried Immodium - didn't even reduce the sheer number of times SWIM wore a path in her carpeting a she raced for her bathroom. Nothing else has changed, not dosage or any other variable except for the source of the methylone.

The upside, I suppose, could be seen as rapid weight loss. But it sure does take all the fun of out things....

[BrainMelt]

Where do you get the proper filter papers? I'm seeing so many different grades of it on the internet. Would a coffee filter work?

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by BrainMelt

Where do you get the proper filter papers? I'm seeing so many different grades of it on the internet. Would a coffee filter work?

Actually yes, a coffee filter would work. When performing a wash of most anykind, your objective is to rinse the now dirty "mother liquor", in this case, the acetone, off quickly. Therefore, if you cannot preferably locate "high flow" filter papers, then coffee filters would be your next best thing.

best of luck, Le Junk

[London_Bloke]

Ok, SWIM still did not get the answer she seeks - is there a process for cleaning/purifying methylone?

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by London_Bloke

Ok, SWIM still did not get the answer she seeks - is there a process for cleaning/purifying methylone?

Sorry Bloke, I certainly didn't mean to ignore you. I'm rarely around anymore since my armadillo broke up with his girlfriend of 20 years, cocaine. Anyway, this simple acetone wash may work for what your requiring. Acetone is an outstanding solvent in many respects vs. that of, say, ether.

Have you checked on the solubilities of methylone. If not, take a small sample and run an anhydrous acetone wash on it. I think you might just find that you've found the solvent of choice for what your looking to clean.

Le Junk

P.S. Please keep us posted.............

[Dr. Awesome]

My friend Nibbler has been doing tons of research and has answered some of his own questions since my last post. His research has however brought up some other questions; as well as a possible alternative to what seems to be the least easily available material needed, the filter.

After going over the thread again, mainly the first and second pages, Nibbler has come to the conclusion that using the procedure on his Adderall XR would absolutely work. This is good news because not only can he get rid of all the binders and what not, but it would be a good way to practice before cleaning his two ecstasy pills.

Now as for the Peruvian Torch extract Nibbler did a ton of reading up on A/B extractions and realized that simply washing the alcohol extract probably wont work as the mescaline needs to be acidified first. He did some more research, discussed the issue with another swimmer who had the same basic idea(he had it thought out better lol), and thinks he knows of a way that will at least result in close to pure mescaline. He still needs to do a bit more research, get some more materials, and then try it out. This however, is for a different forum altogether and will be posted there when the time comes. It was through this research however that he thinks he may have come upon an alternative to the low-medium flow paper

After reading through the thread its obvious that special filter paper is needed. Nibbler headed over to the chem stockroom after class happy as a clam that he could simply get the paper at school. When he tried to purchase them however he was told he couldnt because he wasnt a chem student with an account. Despite the fact that the website said the only things that required research accounts were chems, glassware, needles, and latex tubing. Nothing about filters. After suffering this disappointment, while Nibbler was reading Ekstaza's Mescaline extraction tek he realized that the acetone wash step was pretty much the same as the pill washing except for two things. The first being that its only cleaning off extra HCl instead of binders and who-knows-what's. The other difference, the one that really caught his attention, is that instead of using special filter paper, its just using a funnel and a cotton ball!

So if a cotton ball in a funnel can be successfully used for mescaline washes, then why not MDxx washes as well? In the extraction tek, about half way down the page if you look at it, the mescaline HCl with extra HCl is stirred in a jar with acetone(they didnt even use anhydrous ) then poured through the funnel. Fresh acetone is added to the jar to get any residual mescaline then poured into the funnel, just like in the trusty pill wash here. After that the funnel contents are rinsed with acetone until it runs clear. Once the acetone in the funnel has dried out, hot water -in which the mescaline dissolves- is poured through into a pan or something where it can evaporate leaving behind the clean mescaline HCl to be scraped up.

As said before, this is pretty much the same overall procedure as the pill wash. The only possible drawback that can be thought of is that one probably cant get the MDMA crystals from the cotton ball from the first pour, at least not without all the fillers coming too, unlike with the first used filter paper. But then again maybe the fillers would rinse through the cotton ball? Nibbler is still going to see what he can do about getting those papers but he cant really order off the internet right now unfortunately.

Well I guess thats it, for now anyways. If any swimmers have experience or insight of any kind, whether Nibbler is right or totally wrong, it would be greatly appriciated. If he doesnt hear from anyone he might just have to start trying some of this stuff out himself

Oh one more kinda random thing. Through out the thread Le Junk, as well as others, continue to remind and reiterate that the low flow is important:

Originally Posted by Le Junk

Yes, you need to order "low flow" filter papers from any online lab supply. If the crystals are making it thru your filter paper, it's definitely to pouress.

Originally Posted by Le Junk

Did you read my post directly above yours? Folks, it is imperative that you first obtain LOW-MEDIUM FLOW filter papers before ever even attempting to perform this exercise. IMPERATIVE! Otherwise, I simply cannot be responsible for any losses you suffer as a result of insufficient materials needed. I'm truly sorry......

However, I came across this in the second page of the thread:

Originally Posted by Le Junk

Actually yes, a coffee filter would work. When performing a wash of most anykind, your objective is to rinse the now dirty "mother liquor", in this case, the acetone, off quickly. Therefore, if you cannot preferably locate "high flow" filter papers, then coffee filters would be your next best thing.

Am I missing what this bit is talking about? Or did Le Junk just make a typo or something? Just seemed a bit strange

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome

My friend Nibbler has been doing tons of research and has answered some of his own questions since my last post. His research has however brought up some other questions; as well as a possible alternative to what seems to be the least easily available material needed, the filter.

After going over the thread again, mainly the first and second pages, Nibbler has come to the conclusion that using the procedure on his Adderall XR would absolutely work. This is good news because not only can he get rid of all the binders and what not, but it would be a good way to practice before cleaning his two ecstasy pills.

Now as for the Peruvian Torch extract Nibbler did a ton of reading up on A/B extractions and realized that simply washing the alcohol extract probably wont work as the mescaline needs to be acidified first. He did some more research, discussed the issue with another swimmer who had the same basic idea(he had it thought out better lol), and thinks he knows of a way that will at least result in close to pure mescaline. He still needs to do a bit more research, get some more materials, and then try it out. This however, is for a different forum altogether and will be posted there when the time comes. It was through this research however that he thinks he may have come upon an alternative to the low-medium flow paper

After reading through the thread its obvious that special filter paper is needed. Nibbler headed over to the chem stockroom after class happy as a clam that he could simply get the paper at school. When he tried to purchase them however he was told he couldnt because he wasnt a chem student with an account. Despite the fact that the website said the only things that required research accounts were chems, glassware, needles, and latex tubing. Nothing about filters. After suffering this disappointment, while Nibbler was reading Ekstaza's Mescaline extraction tek he realized that the acetone wash step was pretty much the same as the pill washing except for two things. The first being that its only cleaning off extra HCl instead of binders and who-knows-what's. The other difference, the one that really caught his attention, is that instead of using special filter paper, its just using a funnel and a cotton ball!

So if a cotton ball in a funnel can be successfully used for mescaline washes, then why not MDxx washes as well? In the extraction tek, about half way down the page if you look at it, the mescaline HCl with extra HCl is stirred in a jar with acetone(they didnt even use anhydrous ) then poured through the funnel. Fresh acetone is added to the jar to get any residual mescaline then poured into the funnel, just like in the trusty pill wash here. After that the funnel contents are rinsed with acetone until it runs clear. Once the acetone in the funnel has dried out, hot water -in which the mescaline dissolves- is poured through into a pan or something where it can evaporate leaving behind the clean mescaline HCl to be scraped up.

As said before, this is pretty much the same overall procedure as the pill wash. The only possible drawback that can be thought of is that one probably cant get the MDMA crystals from the cotton ball from the first pour, at least not without all the fillers coming too, unlike with the first used filter paper. But then again maybe the fillers would rinse through the cotton ball? Nibbler is still going to see what he can do about getting those papers but he cant really order off the internet right now unfortunately.

Well I guess thats it, for now anyways. If any swimmers have experience or insight of any kind, whether Nibbler is right or totally wrong, it would be greatly appriciated. If he doesnt hear from anyone he might just have to start trying some of this stuff out himself

Oh one more kinda random thing. Through out the thread Le Junk, as well as others, continue to remind and reiterate that the low flow is important:


However, I came across this in the second page of the thread: Am I missing what this bit is talking about? Or did Le Junk just make a typo or something? Just seemed a bit strange

Sorry, it was a bit of a typo, if you will. SWIM uses this same technique for both cocaine and ecstasy. Sometimes I get them confused. Ecstasy=low flow. Cocaine can handle a little higher flow filter paper. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.....

Le Junk

[BrainMelt]

Swim conducted the wash today on some not so good E pills and he will try the product out tonight. Swim will update me and I will update you tomorrow on how it worked out.

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by BrainMelt

Swim conducted the wash today on some not so good E pills and he will try the product out tonight. Swim will update me and I will update you tomorrow on how it worked out.

I certainly don't want to be a buzz kill here, but if you don't allow that newly cleaned powder to evaporate on it's own for 48 hours first, your most likely going to suffer from an upset stomach and possible gas and bloating from the unevaporated acetone still remaining in dry form.

You can try and speed up the evaporation process by placing the plate with the newly cleaned powder on it under a heat lamp right up until it's time to ingest the powder, or try microwaving the powder in 30 second intervals repeatedly for an hour or so.

Always taste the powder first before fully ingesting the required party amount. If it tastes sweet at all, or you can still smell the acetone, your not going to have a good time, trust me.

And finally, make sure you pack the powder into size "0) capsules. These are much larger than 120 mg. capsules, but keep in mind that acetone alone will not remove all contaminants, by-products, binders and fillers. Some of them can still be insoluble in acetone. My suggested dosage: two size "0" capsules full to start, followed by one full size "0" capsule exactly 1 and 1/2 hours after your initial two capsules.

Best of luck and keep us posted. But remember, you must first have MDMA to start with, in order to end up with any after a thorough washing. In other words, if your pills are bunk to begin with, they'll simply be really clean bunk when your finished cleaning them.

Le Junk

[KyleM]

SWIM performed the acetone wash on a few pills. He did a marquis and mecke test before hand to confirm MDMA content. When the ecstasy/acetone mixture was poured through the filter into a beaker, SWIM noticed a problem. In the beaker with the "garbage" he noticed crystals forming inside and settling to the bottom. He was able to collect the crystals and dry them off. After running tests, it resulted in highly positive reactions with marquis and mecke tests in probably the best test results he has gotten to date for MDMA content. The powder collected in the filter was tested positive as well, but not quite as well as these crystals did.

Does SWI Le Jenk have a possible explanation on how SWIM got this outcome?

[Le Junk]

Originally Posted by KyleM

SWIM performed the acetone wash on a few pills. He did a marquis and mecke test before hand to confirm MDMA content. When the ecstasy/acetone mixture was poured through the filter into a beaker, SWIM noticed a problem. In the beaker with the "garbage" he noticed crystals forming inside and settling to the bottom. He was able to collect the crystals and dry them off. After running tests, it resulted in highly positive reactions with marquis and mecke tests in probably the best test results he has gotten to date for MDMA content. The powder collected in the filter was tested positive as well, but not quite as well as these crystals did.
Does SWI Le Jenk have a possible explanation on how SWIM got this outcome?

Yes I do as a matter of fact. And forgive me for not adding this point to the original text. I'll go back and do so when I have more time.

Anyway, while using this same acetone wash technique to clean cocaine, once stirred and left to settle, the actual cocaine crystals will always lay heavy and form on the bottom, while other acetone insoluble cuts lay much lighter and directly on top of the actual cocaine crystals. Once settled, you can hold a light up to the side of the beaker and see the two layers formed. Cuts on top and crystals on the bottom.

Well, the same holds true in an acetone wash for MDMA. Once stirred and left to settle, the MDMA crystals will quickly fall and settle on the bottom, while the acetone insoluble cuts lay flat looking on top.

Therefore, it is recommended that you first filter off the easy flowing top layer of powdered cuts, stopping just short of any MDMA crystals falling out. Stop and then add a little more fresh acetone to the original beaker, stir again, let settle and then carefully pour any remaining cuts into the original filter, once again this time being very careful to stop just short of any crystals falling out.

Let the original filter completely drain, and then remove it from the funnel. Press between a few paper towels to absorb any additional acetone and let air dry for 48 hours. When desperate, I'll teach you a trick later on how to extract those real MDMA crystals that got caught up in the rest of that crap. But for now, let's go get that beautiful abundance of pure MDMA crystals that were just laying on the bottom!

Add a fresh filter paper to the funnel and pour some fresh acetone into what should now be only crystals in the original beaker. Swirl around the crystals with the fresh acetone and quickly try and pour all of the crystals into the fresh filter paper. Cover the filter paper as it continues to drain and if any crystals still remain in the beaker, add a little more fresh acetone to the beaker, swirl for the final time, uncover the filter paper and pour the final remaining crystals into the filter paper. Cover and let completely drain.

Once drained, remove, place the filter paper containing the pure MDMA crystals between a few paper towels to and press on the clump to absorb any excess acetone. Once completely dry to the touch, carefully open over a ceramic plate and let the real crystals fall out onto it. With a metal spoon, crush up the pure crystals into as fine as possible and then leave them to evaporate on their own, in a non-humid environment, for a period of no less than 48 hours. After 48 hours, pour the crystals into individual 200-250 mg. capsules until finished.

It now time to consume. Start first with 1 capsule and see how that feels. Onset will be sped up immensely by the fact that there are no more binders or fillers to slow things down. In fact, onset should hit within 15-20 minutes. At this time, if you feel a second capsule is needed, take it, if not, take another one exactly 1 and 1/2 hours after your first dosage. DO NOT ever take a third dose as this will only be a waste and no longer produce feelings of love and empathy, but rather more of just an amphetamine type of high. This theory hold true even with 100% pure MDMA. Shulgins rule, not mine!

Enjoy and post your results afterwards..................

Le Junk

[KyleM]

Thanks for the quick response. Is there a sure way to prevent MDMA from going through the filter paper though when pouring into second beaker? SWIM used medium flow 15" lab filter paper and these MDMA crystals formed in the second beaker, meaning they went right through the filter. Most of the binders/fillers were trapped in the filter, exactly the opposite that SWIM expected to happen. Is it possible the acetone was not dry enough or a better filter could have been used?