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Old 18-03-2007, 12:35
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Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

Has SWIY, who's dropped LSD more than 10 times, done so without ever having a bad trip? In a documentary I watched, it was stated that 1 in 4 people who were given LSD had a bad trip, these odds aren't very huge, so is a bad trip unavoidable in the long run?
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Old 18-03-2007, 14:15
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

A bad trip is difficult to define. SWIM has used LSD about ten times or so but honestly can't say any of those experiences were inherently bad. It's all in the eye of the beholder really. SWIM has felt incredible, somewhat overwhelming states of being on LSD but the more he understands and educates himself about the substance, the less likely negative thoughts seem to pop up. Perhaps the greatest catalyst of so-called "bad trips" is lack of education. If the user maintains a good set and setting and stays within their dose, granted of course they don't have any prior mental instabilities, bad trips are highly unlikely.

Honestly, SWIM would have to say that he's had more "bad trips" on mushrooms than LSD. But even those bad moments didn't last that long and the situations turned themselves into beautiful experiences in the end.
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Old 18-03-2007, 14:29
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

SWIM used a couple of times LSA before going on to LSD 3times. Never had a bad trip, but SWIM doesnt have huge experience. however, be prepaired, EVERY trip will have good and negative sides. As long as you accept anything that comes your way and try taking it easy, you'll not run into a destructive bad trip.

however, this counts only with the right set and setting. SWIM likes to do it alone at home, taking a walk sometimes to the nearby forest. also doing it with a good friend can be quiet exciting. SWIM and his friend talked stuff...everything was just hilariously funny.

so, SWIM can say, if he's doing it with his friend, the funny and colorful stuff dominates the trip, and it's more or less like laughing straight 5 hours.

if SWIM's doin it solo, its more like spiritual and enlighting. like these white glowing auras that are everywhere and when SWIM looks long into them, he starts like feeling a mind orgasm or something.

yeah, SWIM likes it more to do solo, hehe
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Old 18-03-2007, 15:21
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

SWIM is relatively novice when it comes to psychedelics. He started out with LSA, had about a dozen of trips with it. About dozen with shrooms(cubensis, semilanceata) and about dozen with ayahuasca(DMT). Salvia didn't work for him, propably because of a regular lighter used; He only got gravitational pulls.

His first 'bad' trip was with LSA and cannabis. Later on he has found that towards the end of the trip all thoughts seem incredibly important, so that they need to be figured out and wrote down. I think that is attributed to the sedative properties of both LSA and weed, they tend to make SWIM obsessed with making notes and figuring the ultimate truth. His brother had that happen too with HBWR and weed, his brother fighted to figure out the ultimate truth he saw, he fighted for hour and a half, ripped of his hair, but slowly it faded away.

At the time of SWIM's first difficult trip he had only had like five LSA trips. His dose was propably the usual, around 250 morning glorys. He was laying on his bed and getting up to the computer to write thoughts up constantly. But with LSA the revelations aren't so clear for SWIM and he got depressed when he found out he has only wrote the same thing in several different ways. Finally he decided to give it a rest, but it wasn't that easy. He just was driven to think and always got a bit depressed when he remembered he wasn't supposed to try and figure it out. That led to kind of loop-thought; every time he thought he'd need to stop thinking, he had kinda deja-vu about the last time he thought that and all the things that were related to it. It was his first 'bad' trip and he felt kinda sorry that things had gotten out of his hands and all. So he tried to just calm down and watch some Lost, which seemed ironically fit for the situation. Eventually he came down a bit and managed to forgive hisself for that 'bad' trip.

In his difficult experiences, it never occured to him that this might never end. That seems to be quite typical reason for bad trips, but I guess the education and thinking it beforehand are the keys. But there's no such thing in my dictionary as bad trip. It had to be total disaster if it'd be bad, meaning long-lasting or permanent damage or irreversible things done under the influence. Usually they are just difficult, challenging experiences, which make you that much smarter and stronger.
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Old 18-03-2007, 15:36
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

Fucking too right!Ever felt turned inside out and as though you were displaced out of the universe,your mind is hollow,and something else is in there,controlling your thoughts and you are fully aware of it,while your body is writhing wildly and feels like it is made of powder,crumbling(infinitely small granules)and it is eternally imploding in on itself,your face grimacing demonically,and you think that you are going to turn catatonic,permanently?And above all,you know god exists because it has a very real godless quality to it.Well,that's SWIM's idea of a bad acid trip-not mushies,but acid.
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Old 18-03-2007, 15:47
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

Swim had a bad trip his first trip. He was fine on just a hit and a half of some blotter when half way through he somked a blunt. This is where his mind spun out of control. Swim thought he was in some kind of "hell" with out logic or reason. Swim had a buddy there who tried to help but this just made swim more suspicious of him to the point where swim eventually thought he was a part of or running this hell. Swim was just endlessly thinking of how to stop it until it wore off. Swim can not explain the hell but it was as though everything was fake. It was all a trick to fool swim of what really was. What the really was swim is not sure. That fucked swim up for weeks! Since then when ever things go down hill while tripping he thinks of that, knows it could never get that bad again, and all is good.(sorry, thought the question was anyone EVER had a bad trip, not never, swims bad)

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Old 18-03-2007, 18:21
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

What study told you "1 in 4" had a bad trip? Sounds like a U.S. Governemt study using prisoners. They did that, you know. Depending on set & setting - it is quite possible to trigger such. This is how to juggle statistics to match your pre-determined findings.
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Old 18-03-2007, 19:16
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

yeah giving it prisoners could result in more than 1/4 bad trips. set is awful, setting too.

also, SWIM can tell you, LSA is nowhere near LSD in terms of intensity. why would SWIY smoke weed while tripping? makes no sense to SWIM.

SWIM saw not that beautiful things on his trip as well, but just looking at them and laught them in the face. SWIM also once stood before a mirror and shouted for his demons to come. as not one came, SWIM had the pretty much best feeling he ever had. delightful, colorful, and so on.

unfortunetale, SWIM thinks LSD really isnt a drug for the masses. you need to have a stable mind, and hopefully you're a bit crazy by nature so crazy thoughts aren't unfamiliar with you.

don't forget, LSD can be a life changing impact on you. take it and let your feelings lead you while tripping, most users know its just a trip and not reality.
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Old 18-03-2007, 19:31
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

The last time knot took a dose was when those people committed suicide thinking they were going to board a UFO traveling behind the halle bop comet (google for it if you don't recall).

It was serious and no laughing matter and it was on every channel on TV. Knot and his friend could not stop laughing all freakin' day and he wasn't laughing at those people's demise but just laughing at nothing in particular.

It got to the point where knot was in pain from laughing so much. Laughing at this point was not funny but he just could not stop. Knot would classify this as a bad trip for sure.
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Old 18-03-2007, 19:33
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

SWIM doesn't really know what a "bad trip" means.

SWIM has tripped twice now, once on three hits and the second time on two hits. Both times it was rather uncomfortable, especially during the peak where words did not make sense.

The second time, SWIM was with best friends and had some deep conversations. But SWIM also realized he is the type of person that needs to be alone when tripping, or at least have a friend sitting in the background.

SWIM seems to sit and wage battles in his brain rather then out talking to people. Either way, SWIM would characterize both trips as 'scary' and 'uncomfortable,' but perhaps it is more SWIM attempting to fight with the drug with what he is seeing or experiencing.

So, to answer the question, SWIM doesn't exactly know what a 'bad trip' is (it may be subjective), but SWIM can't say he has overwhelmingly enjoyed the times SWIM has doen LSD.
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Old 18-03-2007, 19:47
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

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SWIM is relatively novice when it comes to psychedelics. He started out with LSA, had about a dozen of trips with it. About dozen with shrooms(cubensis, semilanceata) and about dozen with ayahuasca(DMT). Salvia didn't work for him, propably because of a regular lighter used; He only got gravitational pulls.

His first 'bad' trip was with LSA and cannabis. Later on he has found that towards the end of the trip all thoughts seem incredibly important, so that they need to be figured out and wrote down. I think that is attributed to the sedative properties of both LSA and weed, they tend to make SWIM obsessed with making notes and figuring the ultimate truth. His brother had that happen too with HBWR and weed, his brother fighted to figure out the ultimate truth he saw, he fighted for hour and a half, ripped of his hair, but slowly it faded away.

At the time of SWIM's first difficult trip he had only had like five LSA trips. His dose was propably the usual, around 250 morning glorys. He was laying on his bed and getting up to the computer to write thoughts up constantly. But with LSA the revelations aren't so clear for SWIM and he got depressed when he found out he has only wrote the same thing in several different ways. Finally he decided to give it a rest, but it wasn't that easy. He just was driven to think and always got a bit depressed when he remembered he wasn't supposed to try and figure it out. That led to kind of loop-thought; every time he thought he'd need to stop thinking, he had kinda deja-vu about the last time he thought that and all the things that were related to it. It was his first 'bad' trip and he felt kinda sorry that things had gotten out of his hands and all. So he tried to just calm down and watch some Lost, which seemed ironically fit for the situation. Eventually he came down a bit and managed to forgive hisself for that 'bad' trip.

In his difficult experiences, it never occured to him that this might never end. That seems to be quite typical reason for bad trips, but I guess the education and thinking it beforehand are the keys. But there's no such thing in my dictionary as bad trip. It had to be total disaster if it'd be bad, meaning long-lasting or permanent damage or irreversible things done under the influence. Usually they are just difficult, challenging experiences, which make you that much smarter and stronger.
Funny... SWIM gets this pretty much every time he smokes weed.
So I'm guessing the weed induced this for you, too... it's never been this frustrating for me, though, I've always sort of thought 'To hell with it', but maybe it's harder when you're on a psychadelic at the same time ^^

Anyway, I hope you learned from your experience and it's nice to see you have a positive view on so called bad trips. So do I (though I've never experienced any ).

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Old 19-03-2007, 19:44
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

SWIM's only 'bad trip' was her first time and it actually was not that bad. The reasons:
1. Tripping with 2 people that she didn't seem too confident with.
2. Doing it in her own house.

Now that she knows the substance a little more she can do it in her own house, but the very first time all her lifeless belongings seem to conspire against her.

So again, set and setting.
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Old 19-03-2007, 20:01
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

Swip has had COUNTLESS trips that, at least for a while, were not enjoyable and very devistating. Ego-deaths, the fear, picking apart ones life, tears for hours, etc.... but in the long run, swip considers none of these experiences to be bad as they all changes his life, just like every trip, and swip learned something from it.

A bad trip is only bad if you let it be. Learn from the experiences swiy has... even if they are not recreational or enjoyable at the time.
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Old 23-03-2007, 14:31
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Re: Anyone never had a bad trip?

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Funny... SWIM gets this pretty much every time he smokes weed.
So I'm guessing the weed induced this for you, too... it's never been this frustrating for me, though, I've always sort of thought 'To hell with it', but maybe it's harder when you're on a psychadelic at the same time ^^

Anyway, I hope you learned from your experience and it's nice to see you have a positive view on so called bad trips. So do I (though I've never experienced any ).

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Yeah, it is quite usual to feel that your remarkable mental achievemts need to be recorded while smoking weed, though nowadays I consider it to be kinda like typical novice-mistake. I think the sedative effect potentiates this big time; just think about alcohol or other sedative, when you are feeling confident that you got all the solutions, you are most bright young man and all the ideas seem interesting. It's like your ciritic-center would be turned off in your brain. LSA is also a sedative, so there is likely a synergistic effect. And yeah, LSA confused SWIM and it was unusually diffictul not slip into trying to figure everything out. The fact that his parents were up(and his father not yet aware of him doing drugs) made it far worse, since SWIM had to lye in darkness in bed to not have to answer if someone came in. Happy that SWIM had his first difficulty with such a mild psychedelic.

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Old 17-04-2007, 15:44
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

SWIM has never had a bad trip with LSD. Once on two hits of blotter a friend called and told Swim Jerry had passed on. Swim had the Dead song Black Peter playing when he received the call. It was really eerie. Swim thought his friend was playing a cruel prank until he verified it online. It was a very somber trip, but not what he would call bad. RIP Jerry
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

SWIM has never had a bad trip on stuff like that and has done acid three times, shrooms 20 times or more, MDA 4-5 times, DMT twice, N2O a couple of times. Salvia is the only thing SWIM really had an uncomfortable trip on, but still SWIM has a hard time calling it a bad trip. Every trip is a learning experience, but if you don't like what is presented to you, you may panic, and this is what a bad trip really is.
Let go to the experience, be truthful to yourself, let yourself go, it is really not dangerous.
Accept the parts of your personality that acid or shrooms are showing you, or do something about it if you don't like it. You can't lie to yourself when you are tripping.

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Old 24-04-2007, 15:37
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

swim has done lsd about 15 - 16 times, but candyflipped about 7 times (so swim guesses only lsd about 8), and surprisingly the worst experience was when he mixed e and lsd. it wasnt really bad, he just felt a bit paranoid and uncomfortable with the people around him, however it was still enjoyable when he just sortof blocked the negativity out. it was on the positive end of a neutral feeling
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Old 24-04-2007, 18:50
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

SWIM has had a horrible introspective confusion thing happen to him, it was on the downward leg of a long long AMAZING journey. SWIM had taken a few grams of syrian rue, and ate 8 grams of mushrooms a bit latter, once the mushrooms had kicked in, he had the bright idea of adding lsd, he had alot of trouble seeing the blotters he was cutting, and ended up eating 2 and a bit. After a 5 or so hour peak of amazing intensity, he spilled some juice on himself trying to drink while flailing arround on the ground, and decided to take a shower, the filth in the shower grew and moved and ended up getting him to think about cleanliness, and he whent downhill into an introspective "rip yourself appart" trip, where he was tearing into his faults and in no condition to deal with them, he spent another 8-12 hours in bed, crying, contemplating suicide, too afraid to take a sleeping pill because of the MAO-I, and stuck in loops of despair, the night had lost continuity, and he couldnt cheer up or break out of the loops, as they where attacking him from the past and future as well.... it was horrible, but also a very very powerfull experiance... SWIM came out ok, depressed for a few weeks, yet still feels lucky to have had the peak experiance, as it was amazing.
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Old 24-04-2007, 19:06
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

Noooooooooooooo bad trips for swim!
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

SWIM has never had a bad trip, out of hundreds + trips.
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

50+ trips 300+ hits no bad lsd trips for swim,only time hes had a bad trip was datura and once on dxm when he had a broken finger and nobody was sober enough to take him to the hospital,sucks being able to see a big bone popping up under your skin,thats probly why "stair sledding"never made it into the Olympics...
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

SWIM has never had a bad trip. There was one experience where SWIM started off with defining the trek as a bad trip. Shortly after analyzing the experience it became obvious the term was incorrect and it simply was an overwhelming experience.

A bad trip to SWIM means:
Did something that one regrets. This may be of the more extreme such as hurting someone, hurting oneself, etc...

Hmmm that's all that SWIM really considers bad. Anything else may have been scary but overall you tend to learn from these experiences. Blahblah.
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Old 30-04-2007, 11:19
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

mm, we should define a 'bad trip' for this thread. What do you think about the following 2 questions:

Did swiy ever wished the trip would end while tripping?
For swim: yes, when having very paranoid thoughts, once on mushrooms, once on lsd.

Did swiy ever wished he never took the psychedelics more as a week after the trip?
For swim: no.
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Old 30-04-2007, 12:12
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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

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mm, we should define a 'bad trip' for this thread. What do you think about the following 2 questions:

Did swiy ever wished the trip would end while tripping?
For swim: yes, when having very paranoid thoughts, once on mushrooms, once on lsd.

Did swiy ever wished he never took the psychedelics more as a week after the trip?
For swim: no.
ahh yea, very good questions
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yes, but only cos he had to work and it was still going strong


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Re: Anyone never had a bad LSD trip?

define bad tripwims fiance took 1 hit of liquid and later was going from periods of crying to laughing in split second entervals,1 second shed be layghing and haveing a fun time a minute later out of nowhere crying and paranoid thouhgts then all of a suden shed be happy again.others on dxm have sworn to swim that they were "dead"while swim calmy tried to explain that dead people cant talk.swims guessing that was a bad trip for them but cant say seeing as it wasent swim,swims seen bad trips on pot too,swim had to talk to a girl that was freaking out and wouldent leave the bathroom just over pot.so i gusse bad trip could encompass alot of things.

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