Dose - Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride stronger than Diphenhydrinate?

[Lucid_Dreamer]

SWIM had been reading that Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride was supposedly stronger than Diphenhydrinate.

But SWIM is starting to think otherwise.

SWIM's first time using Diphenhydrinate (Equate Motion Sickness Pills), he took 500mg. After an hour he was seeing people who were not really there, felt really heavy walking, the walls were breathing, SWIM's short term memory and concentration was shot to hell, SWIM also had the Diph "shakes", and the wood grain on the computer desk was swirling. SWIM's highest ever dose of Diphenhydrinate was 1500mg's. After taking this, SWIM had no effects but felt really drunk. No delirium. SWIM's tolerance built up FAST. After 2 weeks, SWIM still couldn't the Diph to work.

Tonight, SWIM decided to see if he could make the previous trip happen again after not taking any allergy medicine for over 3 months. SWIM first took 700mg after reading a few trip reports in this forum and on www.erowid.org After an hour, SWIM was feeling slightly drunk...Just EVER so slightly. Vision was a little blurry, and that was about it. After an hour and 45 minutes, SWIM decided to take 500 more mg.

SWIM's dose was now at 1200mg of Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride.

It has now been 2 hours and 30 minutes since ingestion, and SWIM feels NOTHING. Just slightly blurred vision, SLIGHT heaviness in legs when walking, and a little sedated, and that's it. SWIM's eyesight is fine, walls aren't breathing, no "shakes", but SWIM's heart rate increased a little bit. Nothing to be concerned about.

All SWIM is wondering is how, after supposedly Diphenhydramine Hcl is supposed to be stronger than Diphenhydrinate, he can not feel a thing.

Also...earlier in the day, approximately 12 and a half hours ago, swim ingested 250mg of Propylhexedrine found in Benzedrex Inhalers. Could this possibly have anything to do with why SWIM isn't feeling anything?

Any help will be appreciated.

EDIT: SWIM has just informed me that the effects of the first pills he took are JUST NOW kicking in. Dots floating and appearing in front of his eyes and disappearing, waves of color just randomly showing up wherever he look, and EVERYTHING is alive. Like Breathing. Fuckin' crazy SWIM says. SWIM's hearing also feels improved somewhat. Everything's kind of loud, drunk effect when he turns his head, and it's as if he can see through walls....like he just KNOWS what's behind them and the walls kinda go translucent.

SWIM has also informed me he is starting to feel the body shakes about to start.



Thanks
-Matt

[darkglobe]

Dude, you don't wanna go taking 1500mg's of Diphen! It's really REALLY not a good idea.

SWIM's experience of Diphen has never been consistent anyway. Now he just uses it to sleep. It's not a nice drug for SWIM anymore.

SWIM recommends SWIY doesn't do it frequently. Once a month, tops. As soon as any drug is taken in amounts/frequency that equates to "chronic, regular use", then you're in dangerous territory.

Be aware, be alive

EDIT: Your username... you achieve lucidity? I'm getting into it recently, and wondered if you're an enthusiast?

[El Calico Loco]

Madre de Dios. That's well beyond any recommended dose, even for those who are crazy enough to enjoy deliriants. What Swiy is doing is toxic.

All the recreational effects of diphen are related to its toxic effects. It may be that Swiy's body is in good enough shape to get rid of the chemical at a quick enough rate to avoid toxicity. It may be that Swiy has allergies bad enough to use up most of what was taken. I dunno. But Swim doesn't recommend that amount.

Hell, Swim doesn't recommend more than 200mg. Tripping on diphen twice (once at 250mg and again at 500mg) was enough for him. No mas!


ECL

[darkglobe]

SWIM would say 200mg is a bit low, but it is probably safer.

[Blue.. Like Water]

Swim goes for the 600 mg range but that's just him.


I wonder exactly why it is that practically everyone who uses this drug recreationally sees and talks to people who aren't there.

[psychedelaholic]

Originally Posted by darkglobe

SWIM would say 200mg is a bit low, but it is probably safer.

I doubt SWIY would get much at all from 200mg. SWIM has done a few experimentations with diphenhydramine. First few times were all below 350mg and SWIM didn't get many effects. At 350mg there was definite CEVs but fairly weak ones. A couple of years after the 350mg dose SWIM decided to try again and took 500mg followed by a further 150mg 90minutes later. He had the most realistic visual and audio hallucinations of his life. SWIM has never tried diphenhydrinate but has always thought it was pretty much identical to diphenhydramine in both dose and effects.

[The.KK]

Just to let you guys know, Matt also posts in another forum and he told us the exact same story and comes fromt he same state, so I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. And well, what happened is that he ended up in the ICU, apparently he almost died.

this is what he posted back

Hey guys. I'm back after my 3 day stay in the hospital.

Remember my posts about how I took 1200mg of Benadryl (Diphenhydramine Hcl)? Well at about 11:15 on Sunday morning my world started to crash around me. I remember eating a peice of pizza and drinking on a coke, having SLIGHT hallucinations. I started to feel a little wierd and everything started spinning. I remember sitting in my friends computer chair and talking to people around me that weren't there. Then I had to throw up. I threw up in the floor next to where I was sitting and I immediately got up and ran to the bathroom where I puked in the sink and I couldn't breathe. It was like my throat closed up on me.

I don't remember a thing after that.

I snapped partly out of it a few hours while I was in the hospital and I remember everyone standing around me trying to get me to get into the hospital bed. I remember being stuck with needles and IV's and ripping them out and just going crazy.

I then blacked out again.

The next thing I know I was given a shot of Ativan which brought me partly out of the trip. I remember looking around and seeing all of my family and friends around me and asking who everyone was. Everyone went around the room asking me if I knew who they were and I named them off and I knew where I was.

Then all my friends left and I dozed back off.

According to family I was very delusional and didn't know where I was. I was saying there was horses flying around me and giant rats crawling all over the place.

This was 15 hours in.

I fell back alseep and woke up at 3:30AM on Monday morning and I knew where I was but I couldn't control myself. I would "wake up" ripping my IV's out and the nurses would yell at me to stop and I would tell them I wasn't touching them. So after doing that 3 times, the nurses strapped my hands down to the railings in the bed where I proceeded to rip out one hand. They began yelling at me again and put my arm back in it. I then waited about 30 minutes and got my hand free again and then untied my right arm where all the IV's were connected. I would wait until the nurses weren't looking at me and I would bite and tear at all the cords hanging out of me. I thought all the cords were skin hanging off and I thought all the plastic tubes and needles were scabs and skin peeling off.

So I finally ripped them all off and started bleeding all over the place. The nurses came and the bleeding stopped and they made me get up and change my gown (By this time I had pissed all over myself and my bed was soaked and I WREAKED of urine. So I washed off, got a new gown on and went back to sleep.

I woke up again at 6:00AM (2 1/2 hours later) and tried to jump out of bed so I could get some boxers or some shorts on. The male nurse yelled aroudn him "Get him! He's jumped outta bed!" So the nurses ran back in and got me in bed. All the while I'm yelling at them calling them assholes and bastards and the like cause they won't let me put any shorts on.

So I fell back asleep and woke up again Monday afternoon to all of my friends and family again seeing how I was. I was being questioned by doctors and all kinds of drug rehab people asking me about every drug I ever took.

So finally I was told I would be released Tuesday morning so I could go to my court hearing for my previous citation of Drug Paraphernalia.

I get to court and the judge tells me I am going to be put on probation indefinately, I am given 25 hours of community service, and I will not be able to get a drivers license until I am 21 if worse comes to worse. I was also told I have to attend drug rehab in Alabama (to which my dad said our insurance wouldn't cover it). So now the court is doing everything they can to get me into in-house treatment either in Alabama for 21 days or in Chatanooga for 45 days.

So yea....That's pretty much all that happened. I spent 6 hours in the ER and 49 hours in ICU. I feel really stupid for taking all of that just to try and get messed up and it made me realize how fragile life is.

I am now never going to touch any kind of drugs ever again. Only marijuana. But only after I get off probation and move out away from my parents.

So yea.....Any comments on what happened to me?

EDIT: I did almost die from heart failure. By the time I got to the hospital, my heart rate was over 180BPM and my Blood Pressure was out of this world.

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Thanks for sharing that (though you should have said it was Someone who Isn't Matt).

[delphinen]

Wow. Just wow. At first I thought I had read the guy died, but in a closer view, I could see the guy almost died, so I felt relieved.
SWIM wonders if there is any drug that would help against the heart racing high doses of Diphenhydramine produces.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim just hopes no one will actually decide to take such a huge dose of diphenhydramine!

[big_mac]

swim took 1500mg of diphenhydranate NATE, he loved it, going to try 2000 soon, thats 30 gravol pills 50mg in each SWIM thinks he did the math right

[FlyingNinja]

That's still alot. One would have thought that the story above would sort of keep people locked down. One whole bottle of dramimine was enough for swim the 2 times he took it. No need to die over a bootleg psychedelic.

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Well said.

[geophagus]

Originally Posted by FlyingNinja

No need to die over a bootleg psychedelic.

Well said brother.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim doesn't think its very easy to die from diphenhydramine or diphenhydrinate.Swim has took some pretty massive doses and has read about others talking very large doses.It seems it would take alot of this stuff to be deadly.However massive doses might not make one dead,if that person has a low tolerance or hasn't tried it before they will be very uncomfortable and possibly terrified.As long as that person is getting their diphenhydramine from a safe source like benadryl or a generic they should be fine.It takes a relatively large does of diphenhydramine to get high so if someone is getting it from tylenol pm(acetaminophen and diphenhydramine),then they are being very dangerous and should stop immediately.

[El Calico Loco]

It does seem to be difficult to kill one's self with diphenhydramine - but even a dose which doesn't kill one could do serious damage to one's body or mind. I doubt it's worth it.

Fwiw, I suspect dimenhydrinate to be more toxic than diphenhydramine because of the stimulant attached to it. But that's just a guess. I have heard that the hangover is much worse.


ECL

[delphinen]

Diphenhydramine its a dangerous drug, yes, but its not dangerous enough to be forbidden to aid people in killing themselves.

[magicbus]

ok so,

i just took Diphenhydramine for the first time i decided on simply sleep found at the local drugstore because it contains only Diphenhydramine. i took 250mg about half an hour ago and am still feeling normal if this persists ill take another 50 in 20 min and so on but yeah I hope to have a good experience and if anything happens ill post it!

magicbus added 1 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

and by 50 i meant 50 mg not pills

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self incrimination

[Hover]

Originally Posted by delphinen

SWIM wonders if there is any drug that would help against the heart racing high doses of Diphenhydramine produces.

There are but most are only available in a hospital setting. Other than that a short-acting benzo such as bromazepam could help.

Long ago Swim sometimes used diph's propensity to speed up the heart rate for extended periods of time to fake mild panic attacks which would invariably land him s script for benzos when he felt like it.

Hover added 1 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by magicbus

ok so,

i just took Diphenhydramine for the first time i decided on simply sleep found at the local drugstore because it contains only Diphenhydramine. i took 250mg about half an hour ago and am still feeling normal if this persists ill take another 50 in 20 min and so on but yeah I hope to have a good experience and if anything happens ill post it!

magicbus added 1 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

and by 50 i meant 50 mg not pills

Hopefully this did not land Swiy in the ER?

[magicbus]

ok so no swim did not land in the ER but thanks for the concern! but swim took the 250 mg and felt nothing then 60 minutes later took 50mg and well lets put it this way swim has never slept better! so swim decided to not take diph for two weeks and then tried again this time taking 350mg and well swim had fun it started with a slight blurring of the eyes so swim put on a few music videos and what an experience! swim would highly recommend this! then swim watched a few tv shows and by that time swim was hallucinating and was hearing echos all of which where good no bad trip experiences at all! except for mild shakes but they went away. so all in all it was good for swim but remember everyone is different so take it easy have fun and be safe!