Drug info - Neo Doves (Results of analysis)

[Zaprenz]

Please post info about Neo-Doves here.

Can anyone add information about:

• names / synonyms
• molecule
• dose
• duration
• side effects
• have there been any reported incidents with this product?
• since when has this research chemical been available?
• legal status

Experiences with Neo-Doves should be posted here: Neo-Doves trip reports
Related threads:
secret ingredients in "legal highs"

It is unclear what the active ingredient is of this product

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Someone sent them into stargate to get them tested...

http://www.stargateinternational.org...ves-report.pdf

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Metamfepramone seems to be the active compound, which turns out to be methcathinone (not the methylenedioxy version) with an extra methyl group attached.

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summ....cgi?cid=71872

as well as some caffeine + unknown phen(?)

Anyway hope this isn't old new, couldn't quickly pull up the old thread on this. Thought it deserved a new one anyway.


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[Zaprenz]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

The absorption of diethylpropion (DEP I), dimethylpropion (DMP I) and some of their basic metabolites into and passage through the skin was investigated and a comparison of their metabolism following oral and percutaneous administration made. High percentages (60-80%) of DEP I and its metabolites and a small percentage of DMP I and its metabolites were taken up into the skin in less than 2 min--the remaining percentages of the compounds were absorbed into the skin by a first order process. The rate of appearance of the compounds in the blood, which reflects their rate of passage through the skin, did not correlated with their rate of absorption into the skin. More metabolism occurred with all the compounds after their oral administration than after their percutaneous application.

[vcdman]

has anyone heard of these new pills from an israeli site called neo-doves

any experiences??

any idea what these may contain?

the site claims rhey are an e alternative, they also have a coke alternative.

My pet cat wants to try but wont if he cant get info...

[vcdman]

i apologize,
but i have read that thread and methcathinone or a slight alteration to met...cat. is unlikely to explain e like effects.- i have read some experiences else where that seemed to describe great mdma mimickry but with lots of body load.

im curious if any one in this forum can add anymore info?

[vcdman]

The site selling neo-doves now has a new product called neo-doves 2

they also built a forum on their site, and people discussing the products claim the new product is not as intense but very nice

The forum admin. claims the chemical used is an alteration of neo doves 1, which was a newly developed only illegal under U.S analog act.
But the chemical in neo 2 is also banned in U.K.

Therefore it must be an existing chem....

Any ideas??

[Alfa]

Does any SWIY have experience with neo-doves 1 or neo-doves 2?

[Benga]

swim has seen these being taken on a couple of occasions recently by friends, but has refused to dig in so far, for different reasons. Meaning this is info is secondhand, but gathered from asking users swim is very connected to. they are now acquired fans.
Seen people snort sub-coca's, sc2, and bomb/ snort neo-doves and nd2's (nd2's which have now been stopped by this company for "legal reasons").

subcoca's, blue and white gelcaps, apparently provide a mild but clearly dopamine related rush, with no visible physical effects or side effects the next day, and do not cause insomnia. the effects are mild, but cumulative, and very pleasant, very prosexual, in a mild stimulant, light euphoria, social lubricant way. Lots of fiending to be expected, but relatively few side effects, little comedown or hangover the day after, less than cocaine, or M1 apparently. Increased body temperature felt.

Neodoves ( green and white gelcaps) are longer lasting slightly, a rather cold physical feeling. More empathic than the subcoca's, more of an afterglow to the experience rather than a little anxiety linked to diminishing effects.
ND2 was taken at the same time as Subcoca, SC2 and neodoves, so specificity was impossible to determine.
SC2 ( white gelcaps) were very speedy, not euphoric, much longer lasting, with a slow onset. difficulties sleeping and physical side effects the next day, jaw clenching etc...described as not very pleasant.

a insufflated 50/50 mixture of subcoca and M1 is said to have been very pleasant, with synergistic effects.

this is the info swim has. the subcoca and neodove seem tempting enough to try, people are very enthusiastic about them and seem to have a lot of fun with them, but swim is very much morally opposed to this company's policy...

to summarize, the users have described this has the most pleasant, effective and benign in terms of immediate side effects "legal high" they have ever taken ( compared to compounds that are ephedrine based, bzp based, herbal based, and RC stimulants/pseudo stimulants such as M1 and MDPV ).
they work well.

herm.... swim feels awkward writing this rather positive second hand review.

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[Alfa]

Does SWIB know if neo-doves 2 where in small red caps? Since the analysis rapport mentions small red caps, I assume that they analysed neo-doves 2. SWIB mentions that neo-doves 1 where in green-white caps.
Note that the analysis mentions that it is not sure the active substance is Metamfepramone. It may as well be something with a comparable marquis and GC/MS outcome. I asume there is good reason for the rapport to mention this doubt. With unknown substances analysis can be hard.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Does SWIB know if neo-doves 2 where in small red caps? Since the analysis rapport mentions small red caps, I assume that they analysed neo-doves 2. SWIB mentions that neo-doves 1 where in green-white caps.
Note that the analysis mentions that it is not sure the active substance is Metamfepramone. It may as well be something with a comparable marquis and GC/MS outcome. I asume there is good reason for the rapport to mention this doubt. With unknown substances analysis can be hard.

SWIM doesn't know about the ND2 colour, but will ask.
the rest of the gel colours swim is sure of, having seen them and their container. Apparently the neodoves have gone through a color change, it's noted on their website. And the packaging label has changed as well, though everything is clearly sold for human consumption...
what is striking with what was mentioned about the subcoca was the relatively short lived effects and lack of insomnia.
metamfepramone, or an analogue. a possibility, but swim was also thinking of low concentrations of an ethylone and "butylone" cocktail, hence the differences in product range. It would be good if the subcoca's were analysed as well, and a little more thoroughly. their products are active insufflated or orally, and the powder weight is roughly between 200 mg and 250mg, total gelcaped weight around 300mg.
this company brags about a "new substance", but swim very much doubts this is true. however whatever this compound mix is it seems pretty good at doing what it is supposed to do. when swim first saw people use them, at about 500mg per person during the case of an evening, with the relative euphoria and agitation, he believed the people would be thrash the next day, a la bzp or worse. then they met up again, and the users had slept, and felt relatively few side effects, residual agitation, appart from being tired. Swim attributed this to the individual's constitution, but has asked around, and this seems to be the case with other users as well, and this has been a repeated experience since.

this has made swim very curious, but still not very keen to support the makers of an unknown stim sold for human consumption by a dubious company. It would be good to try to contact them and get more info, but swim's guess is that they're probably to busy making money before they're facing law suits and the likes


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[Benga]

ok the neodove2 were bright yellow apparently
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[Euphoric]

Just thought some might want to know this, taken from their site:
Announcements:

17-May-2007

We are very sorry but Due to new regulations worldwide we stop producing and selling the ND2.

[Alfa]

New regulations worldwide my ass. So who dropped dead?

[radiometer]

I find it unbelievable that so many people are willing to take drugs the identity of which they haven't got a clue. It seems to me beyond ignorant, into the realm of deliberately dangerous. Sorry if this opinion offends.

[Benga]

not offensive, it's hard not to agree actually.
but once the lecture's been done and the caution given it's kind of hard to stop people from taking what they bought. Especially when they're over 30 and experienced with various substances. a consequence of street drug use, if a grey market, if unknown, substance *feels* less damaging then what is sold on the black market, people will consider it safer somehow.

swim must admit he feels bad about this situation, and has just refused offers politely, notably for the reasons radio mentioned. swim just hopes nothing bad will happen in the future, and maybe more that these substances can/will be identified so people can know what they're playing around with, apart from their own safety.

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[radiometer]

My post was not meant to reflect on you, sorry if it came across that way.

[Nagognog2]

The same holds true for those who see an ad on TV and run to their doctor - demanding some new drug be prescribed. Then two years later, we find it causes heart disease or something.

Then there are the parents who, on the say-so of a school, stuff little Joey and Susie chock-full-o-god-knows-what. Changing their brain development once-and-for-all.

So this doesn't surprise me. It exasperates me!

[Benga]

no worries radio. It's just that swim feels kind of uneasy about his subcoca fan buddies, who would rather trust a mercantile company selling unknown substances in pill form, with pictures of doctors on their website, than an RC merchant selling IUPAC labelled compounds. Was actually reluctant to post on this subject as it might increase the Israeli company's traffic, which is something they don't need.
at least swim has nothing to do with them discovering these products, which were heard about from an uk smartshop's forum...

blah, this phase probably won't last that long.
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[Mona Lisa]

They obviously do this to get around the law and/or to prevent their mystery substances from banned that much quicker. SWIM would have thought that the company would be too fearful of possible litigation to be blatently selling obviously dangerous substances, though she appreciates that longterm effects could be a problem further down the road. But to be fair, people don't always know what they're buying on the street either unless they have have their stuff extensively tested, which most don't bother to do. Yes, perhaps the principles stink, but SWIM is glad that they discreetly send their products; after all, if she were arrested with possession, she could claim that she bought her 'health' products in good faith that they were legal, etc. which would obviously be far harder to argue had she openly ordered a research chemical.

SWIM has tried all their products and largely agrees with Benga's descriptions. NeoDoves reminded her of mdma but was milder and less rushy, and, if anything, more pro-sexual. Two would would be comparable to half a good ecstasy pill in terms of overall effects. Still clear-headed. They were first rusty red capsules and are now green and white capsules. Some empathy but not as much as from MDMA (or, amazingly enough, Pep Original). Oddly enough, even more jaw tension than from mdma.

Swim found Sub-Coca more prosexual and shorter lasting. Also clear-headed. More energetic than NeoDove. It's a blue and white capsule. Mild MDMA-like jaw tension.

Swim told me that Spirits are a lemony yellow capsule and more subtle in its effects. It was strange because it is less rushy than Neo-Dove but more empathic; a great social enhancer. Has a strange amphetamine-like comedown though. SWIM found that her heart-rate remained more elevated and for far longer than the NEo Dove, though less so than from Sub Coca. From what she has read, Spirits might be the ones that most closely resemble Methylone in its effects because its peak is much shorter-lasting than Neo Dove.

ND2s came in a creamy yellowy capsule and were very pleasant and mellow. SWIM even fell asleep after taking one, having assumed that she had been sent an aphrodesiac pill by accident. The company disguises its packaging by deliberately mislabelling them to ensure they get through customs. No unpleasant speedy comedown with these, according to my researcher.

SC2s were less pleasurable for SWIM. Like Benga explained, they were more like speed and actually gave her less energy than BZP-based pills such as XXX or Pep Original. SC2s are snow white capsules.

SWIM has also tried their Compressor pills which are like a modified Neo Dove. She enjoyed these the most from amongst the range. The peak lasted longer than on the NeoDove, though slightly less rushy. One Compressor was equivalent to about one and a half Neo Dove capsules. In some ways, its effects reminded her more of the Spirit in that she felt more empathy and was less rushy but still prosexual in effect. Slightly less clear-headed though still felt fully capable of holding a conversation and being out in public. The most heightened music appreciation of the range, at least so far.

SWIM has yet to try their Push Ups which appear to be a cross between Sub Coca and SC2 in its subjective effects. In other words, reports suggest it's very similar to Sub Coca in its prosexual effects but with a longer-lasting peak and increased insomna afterwards.

SWIM suspects that all these (apart from SC2s) contain some phenthylamine mdma-like analog -- perhaps ethylone, methylone, bk-mdea, bk-mdma, etc. THe comedowns were very similar to a mild MDMA comedown with similar tiredness and depression over the next two or three days though much less intense. SWIM found that all these cause her some moderate insomnia and mild appetite suppression (apart from SC2 which reduces hunger much more), though far less so than bzp-based 'legal' highs. They also caused her less thirst than MDMA and especially BZP-based products; but if anything, they cause SWIM to feel hot and sweaty whereas BZP pills cause her to feel chilly.

SWIM suspects that Neo Doves, ND2s Spirits and compressors use mdxx analog phenylthamine substance which are affect the seratonin levels similar to M1 or MDMA/MDEA; Sub Cocas affect domamine more; and from what she has read of reports, Push Ups might combine both types of substances, whereas SC2s are more of an amphetamine-based experience.

SWIM wonders if the ND2s were removed from the site due to bad reviews rather than legal issues.

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[Systemdoll]

Someone on a other forum made a Marquis and Mandelin tests :

"Just did a quick test on the ND & SC2

ND:

MARQUIS: No reaction
MANDELIN: No reaction

SC2:

MARQUIS: very light brown color
MANDELIN: very light yellow/green color"

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Systemdoll

SC2:

MARQUIS: very light brown color
MANDELIN: very light yellow/green color"

That doesn't look so great for SC2.

From a testing kit site for Marquis: "A reaction to orange/brown indicates SPEED."

From a testing kit site for Mandelin: "A reaction to yellow green indicates the presence of Speed, (meth)amphetamine."

Obviously not conclusive. More testing would be lovely.

[Mona Lisa]

To be honest, SWIM isn't that bothered because she preferred NeoDoves and Compressors over the SC2 which was similar to amphetamine sulfate.

[jeronimo]

Swim would also like to add having tried sub coca, pills and powder, neos and spirit.
Swims test conducted with marquis / meke showed clear? no colour change
They dont seem to last v. long ,maybe 2hrs for swim, the more you redose, the worse the next day effects mix the subs , neos, spirits either all 3 or 1 neo & 100mg of the other two etc, offers different experience, maybe even combined with methylone next time.. IMO they are etter than bzp etc.

[NeonCortex]

I find it difficult to understand how they couldn't make more of it having used GCMS. Anyone else find it kind of strange?

[distillery]

subcoca!
any chance of california 92626 usa prices with delivery? or suggestions?

Neodoves ( green and white gelcaps) are longer lasting slightly, a rather cold physical feeling. More empathic than the subcoca's, more of an afterglow to the experience rather than a little anxiety linked to diminishing effects.
ND2 was taken at the same time as Subcoca, SC2 and neodoves, so specificity was impossible to determine.
SC2 ( white gelcaps) were very speedy, not euphoric, much longer lasting, with a slow onset. difficulties sleeping and physical side effects the next day, jaw clenching etc...described as not very pleasant.

a insufflated 50/50 mixture of subcoca and M1 is said to have been very pleasant, with synergistic effects.

this is the info swim has. the subcoca and neodove seem tempting enough to try, people are very enthusiastic about them and seem to have a lot of fun with them, but swim is very much morally opposed to this company's policy...

to summarize, the users have described this has the most pleasant, effective and benign in terms of immediate side effects "legal high" they have ever taken ( compared to compounds that are ephedrine based, bzp based, herbal based, and RC stimulants/pseudo stimulants such as M1 and MDPV ).
they work well.

herm.... swim feels awkward writing this rather positive second hand review.

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[Benga]

price discussions are against the rules.
since swim posted what you quoted, there have been some developments. no one has analysed these seriously, but - surprise surprise- a possible toxicity issue has been mentioned. proper results are not available yet however, so this remains mere speculation.
what is certain is that the manufacturing process is clearly unstable, one more reason to stay away from these...
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