Does Ecstasy imply impurity?

[Dalfir]

Some of my friends who use MDMA believe that when labeled ecstasy by a dealer, it should be taken for granted that it's a small amount of MDMA laced with other filler. (cocaine, strychnine, baking soda etc). When they take MDMA, it comes in a large capsule form with starch excipient which they claim is the best way to take it. Is there truth to this, or is it a regional thing?

[Abrad]

Ecstasy tablets are quite often adulterated with other actives, although this is not always the case. This is why a testing kit should always be used.
Whenever SWIM has encountered MDMA it has been an off-white to brown crystalline substance, the whiter it is, the purer. I have no idea why it would bge mixed with starch.

It is extremely unlikely that one would encounter a pill cut with strychnine, or cocaine for that matter.

[namooP]

I find that here at least, away from the main supply lines, that Ecstasy means pill form and does imply impurity. In SwiMs whole ecstasy experience, he has only come across white pills once and they were the dirtiest buzz he has experienced. Once every month or two, \"MDMA\" would come available, which means crystal. This is usually pretty clean. That could all well be unique to this area though.

[VitaminK22]

Just cos pills r white, it doesnt mean they r pure or rich in MDMA. The first time swim took pills, they were pure white and all they did was make him a bit chatty. Although he liked it at the time, they were nothin like the pills he had the week after which had blue sparkles in (ketamine he thinks, wahoo )

Pills are usually cut with amphetamines, starch and paracetamol/painkillers from what i know, oh and ketamine sometimes.
Any1 that cuts pills with coke for profit is stupid as coke is worth alot more than X

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by Dalfir

it should be taken for granted that it's a small amount of MDMA laced with other filler. (cocaine, strychnine, baking soda etc).

Strychnine in ecstacy tablets?! That's another crock o' shit. Nice to see the Feds are still using their playlist from the 1960's. They tried to spread "The Fear" about stychnine in LSD back then (still do). Now it's stychnine in ecstacy. Woo Woo! All Aboard the Bullshit Train!

[Abrad]

Just cos pills r white, it doesnt mean they r pure or rich in MDMA.

Re-read my post. I was referring to MDMA crystals.

[namooP]

I think he was refering to mine. I commented that the only white pills SwiM ever sampled were filthy.

[Dalfir]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Strychnine in ecstacy tablets?! That's another crock o' shit. Nice to see the Feds are still using their playlist from the 1960's. They tried to spread "The Fear" about stychnine in LSD back then (still do). Now it's stychnine in ecstacy. Woo Woo! All Aboard the Bullshit Train!

This is South Africa we're talking about. Is it definite bullshit? I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, because what gets passed off as E here is by some of the most dodgiest people I've ever seen.

[darawk]

I've never heard of a pill cut with strychnine, nor have I heard of a pill cut with cocaine. Cocaine will kill a roll from all the experiences I have ever read about. All of the myths about Ecstasy being cut with stuff like this are just plain wrong. The most common adulterants of Ecstasy are:

- Caffeine
- DXM
- Procaine
- Methamphetamine
- Amphetamine
- MDA
- MDE
- Other random OTC drugs(e.g. aspirin, tylenol, etc...)

It's the very rare case indeed that someone will go out of their way to cut E with something that makes it more harmful for no reason. Meth is used because it can enhance the high and give you more energy, often making the pills even better. Same with caffeine/dxm(though dxm can make the roll kinda weird, I imagine). But strychnine? Ask yourself as a dealer cutting pills, why would you put strychnine in them instead of some inert filler? There's just no point.

[Powder_Reality]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the term "ecstasy" coined by the first ecstasy dealer back in the mid 80's?

I can't remember the name of him, but I seem to recall watching a documentary about the history of ecstasy, in which they do an interview with him. If memory serves me, he tried MDMA and loved it so much that he decided it was too great of a chemical to be limited to psychotherapists' offices. So set up his own MDMA lab, pressed bulk amounts of pills, and started selling/giving them away at bars, clubs, etc.

I think that MDMA used to be called "empathy" back when it was just being used by psychotherapists (and this really was a more fitting name), but was renamed "ecstasy" because it sounded better and more marketable.

But back to the original question. In SWIM's hometown, all MDMA products are called "ecstasy", but dealers make a point of telling their customers if they have MDMA-filled capsules because they know that they can sell them for a higher price. Most dealers in SWIM's town just call MDMA-filled capsules "pures".

[Mr Jones]

This site will tell you what is in South African XTC tablets:

http://www.saps.gov.za/_dynamicModul...ex.asp?dtype=2


This link will bring you to one of the best 'legitimate' sources on XTC tablets:

http://www2.unil.ch/cyberdocuments/p...BasseResol.pdf

Basically you'll find that the vast majority of XTC tablets contains only MDMA (as active) at levels of 75-100mg/tablet (30%-50%) together with microcellulose binder/filler to facilitate tabletting.

[Dalfir]

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Are MDMA capsules simply higher doseage with less excipients or adulterants than E tablets?

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by Dalfir

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Are MDMA capsules simply higher doseage with less excipients or adulterants than E tablets?

Not necessarily. Depends on whether the monkey packing them has scruples or not! It is easier to pack a capsule with crap than to make a pill. It is even easier to crush a pill, put it in a cap & pass it off as MDMA powder. That said, if obtained in a setting with decent lighting (i.e. not a club) it is also easy to take the cap apart & look at the contents - if it contains lovely sparkly crystals then there is a decent chance that your toucan has found the real deal. If it contains random powder, then he has a capsule containing random powder, which by definition could be anything. Historically however caps have generally been better quality than pills. Emphasis on "generally". Of course, A Certain Mouse can only relate this to his own neck of the woods...

[Dalfir]

So there's no guarantee, because of the form it' s in,that the guy selling someone "MDMA" in capsule form at a trance party is actually selling clean MDMA?

[Powder_Reality]

Unless SWIY either made the MDMA, packed the capsules, or witnessed the entire thing, there's no way way to know exactly what SWIY is getting (short of lab testing). This is why ecstasy to so notriously impure; it's easy to pass off anything in pill form (including capsules) as ecstasy.

If SWIY is worried about the purity of the pills in his area, then take the advice of SWIAbrad and buy a testing kit. All the MDMA-filled capsules that have passed through SWIM's town have been the real thing, but if one day SWIM happens to buy a capsule filled with sugar, he can't exactly report it to Consumer Reports now can he?