lsd turns serious right quick

[sanity...?]

ok so SWIM, last year, came across an lsd connection.In turn, him and his dudes embarked on the mind f$%# for a good 5 weekends in a row. Thinking they should stop before it gets a little too serious, they do so for a while.
the next couple of weeks seemed ok, a little hazy and distorted at times, but everyone understood the concept of flashbacks.
So, maybe two months later, they return to the land of infinite epiphanies and breathing enviroments (on the beach).
Now, not even 3 weeks later, SWIM is having the same reoccuring thoughts , mainly, "EVERYTHING REPEATS ITSELF" was a constant re-realization and in turn got SWIM a little worried about his sanity. He became severely depressed and even thought about killing himself at times, but he couldnt figure out why he was depressed. Also, memory loss and losing train of thought were haunting him everyday. Fianlly, he figured it out, the last time they took lsd (beach), had done it, the epiphanies had made him question everything ,right down to his own existence.
he even thought that maybe humans could be cancer to a much greater being (we are destroying the world after all, and the solar system does have the resemblance of an atom, and what are we all made of? ).now im sure to alot of people that would seem rediculous, but you gotta keep in mind that acid expands the mind, making alot of farfetched theories seem very feasible, and even with that no one knows whats out there for sure. people on acid use 13% of their brain, and so do "crazy people", and "geniuses" use 12. so can it be true that acid makes you more in touch with the universe, and for alot of people they cant handle something of that magnitude? who knows.
the point in writing this thread was to: 1. help people understand how serious of a drug acid can be and hopefully forewarn those who know little about its effects but are planning on trying it, and 2. hopefully get some feedback on others that may have had simialr expeiriences.

[Alfa]

The inpact of LSD on the user depends upon the mind frame of the user, the dose and the setting. 5 weekends in a row taking steep doses (right?) is not very wise. Was SWIY* tripping all weekend?
I am not trying to scorch SWIY in any way. I'm just trying to find out the background before anything can be said about it.

*Someone Who Is Not You

[sanity...?]

well i mean.. SWIM has done acid many a times in the past.. but never experienced somethin like this.. unless swim did and just doesnt remember.. that tends to happen with lsd

[Spare Chaynge]

unless swim did and just doesnt remember.. that tends to happen with lsd


swims guessing since it tends to happen it will this time but who knows.. swim took some shrooms one time in florida and thought he saw a shark he hasnt been in the ocean since 2 years ago... but swim is considering the thought again

[Pinkavvy]

Originally Posted by sanity...?

people on acid use 13% of their brain, and so do "crazy people", and "geniuses" use 12.

What? Where are those solid numbers found? What source did these number come from?

[zera]

Originally Posted by Pinkavvy

What? Where are those solid numbers found? What source did these number come from?

Those numbers are completely fabricated. The concept that people only use 10% or 15% of their brain or whatever is completely false, every neuron in the brain has a specific and important function.

For the original poster, you need to remember that LSD does nothing to put you on another plane of existence or any new age mumbo-jumbo, it simply alters your brain chemistry. The perceptions and the ideas are entirely explained by neurophysiology, you're not gaining any new insight. Science should be left to the scientests.

[AntiAimer]

Scientist make up theorys.....they, just like anyone else know nothing. It's all guessing games.

[zera]

Originally Posted by AntiAimer

Scientist make up theorys.....they, just like anyone else know nothing. It's all guessing games.

I would just loook at the very machine you're typing on and try to tell me that scientists know nothing. Look around at everything in your world if you doubt the triumph of science. Hell, even LSD itself would have never existed if not for science. The scientific method represents the best known process for human beings to methodically expand their body of rational, accurate, and unbiased knowledge.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by zera

The scientific method represents the best known process for human beings to methodically expand their body of rational, accurate, and unbiased knowledge.

Isn't methodically expanding the body of knowledge about the definition of the science method, leaving the above statement to a 'A=A' reasoning, which means nothing? Just thought to throw some logic in here.

[allyourbase]

congradulations, you just managed to debunk empirical thought in two poorly constructed sentences . but seriously, on the topic of the thread. Ive never met anyone who had deja vus from LSD use. visual and audio distortions perhaps... as for being in touch with the universe, we exist in the universe. every molecule in our being is part of the universe, how much more "in touch" do you wish to be?

[stoneinfocus]

The concept of scientific proove, is the action-reaction thesis, that has invariably to be confirmed by a third party review.

If you tell someone you´re feeling bad, than this is no science, because it´s not obvious for a third party to see or recognized.

To the poster, concerned to his sanity, he might consider that LSD opens the doors, meaning the muscarinic receptor being penetrated and gates are opened for the multitudes of impressions and nerve signals are thus going into brain regions, that ususally don´t process these kind of signals, like feeling a color or smelling a song *g*.

I think it´s a kind of training for the mind, cause without "overreaching" from time to time, no progress is achieved and vice versa, sometimes.

the `cure´ for "the human is the cancer of the earth" and "everything is repeating", the latter experienced by me too, is trying to see it the other way around, that every single second has its uniquenes and this as objectively as given.

Ususally trying not to think about the nature of something, but experiencing it, will later explain the nature and matter of fact best, something, we´ve lost in our save, civilized world, that´s, therefore, full of selfmade, unneccessesary mind-terror.

[svenghali]

My friend was sent to a rehab facility by his parents when he was in highschool, where he met this old, old hippie who claimed to have spent a lot of time with Kesey, his pranksters and all that. He told him about a gallon jug of acid they used to have around, and the guy had consumed more lsd than my friend had even thought possible, for months straight even, the people at the facility told him. Needless to say, the guy wasn't thinking very straight all the time.

[Nagognog2]

If you live a very intense situation for a short period of time - let's say being in prison - the short period of time will program the mind to react to and remember this situation for a long period of time. Time is relative.

SWIM should knock off the LSD and relax. He'll re-adjust to the regular world in due course and the land of negative epiphanies will fade.

[=Mobius=]

Where there other events which occured when you had those feelings...thoughts...

Swim has also his live-events...

What was the triggering-factor in your opinion : a situation, a drug, your unconsciousness or everything ? The "trip" could have swiy bring to that psychotic depression.

What you are thinking is your right and if they think it's not normal then they belong to the American Psychiatric Association.

Swim has been in an traumatic situation when smoking a joint. For swim this was awesome...for years...panic...just thinking about it but I just conditioned my brains with the the formula of cannabis = death.

Anyway your body has been made to survive. I'll drop you at Amazonia Tropical and you''ll survive even in the worst conditions.

Why not thinking about your thoughts and behavior so you can have some time left to ***whatever ***.

[Rainbowzz]

SWIm wonders if SWIy is experiencing the leftovers of some type of ego death.

he most direct means of accomplishing the mystical experience of ego death may be through the use of psychedelics[1] such as LSD, DMT, DXM, psilocybin, mescaline, nitrous oxide, Lysergic acid amide, and Salvia. Many other methods, practices, or experiences may also induce this state, including prayer, sacred ritual, sleep deprivation, fasting, and meditation practice. Less frequently, it might also come about spontaneously or "of its own accord" (as a symptom of certain mental illnesses, or in response to severe trauma). There are a variety of schools of thought about the aim, practice, and interpretation of the ego death experience. According to one person, for example (see egodeath.com) it is to be characterized as the perceived loss of boundaries between self and environment, a sense of the loss of "control," the loss of the accustomed feeling of existing as a "personal agent," loose "cognitive-association binding," and even

...a sense of being controlled by frozen block-universe determinism with a single, pre-existing, ever-existing future. Experiencing this model of control and time initially destabilizes self-control power, and amounts to the death of the self that was conceived of as an autonomous control-agent. Self-control stability is restored upon transforming one's mental model to take into account the dependence of personal control on a hidden, separate thought-source, such as Necessity or a divine level that transcends Necessity.[2]

It should also be noted, within the context of this system, that ego death is not actual death itself, but rather a temporary state of mind which can be stabilised and reverted. This can be done either by thought-source control for any who have achieved the state, as well as by de-intoxication for those who have reached the state using psychedelics.
However, there are, again, at least as many points of view about the nature of ego death as there are mystics, psychonauts, etc. who have had the experience.[citation needed] (Some, for example, may even go so far as to agree with the poet Dylan Thomas who said, "after the first death, there is no other."[3]) It can also be argued that experiencing ego death is not possible because an ego is a functional necessity of experience and hence experience does not occur after ego death. Unless ones contemplation (while not ceasing to exist) is focused and or completely absorbed into an infinite object. Meditation on a blank or white-out state of consciousness would also have the same effect.

Just food for thought.Got this from wikepdia.

[DopinDan]

Originally Posted by sanity...?

ok so SWIM, last year, came across an lsd connection.In turn, him and his dudes embarked on the mind f$%# for a good 5 weekends in a row. Thinking they should stop before it gets a little too serious, they do so for a while.
the next couple of weeks seemed ok, a little hazy and distorted at times, but everyone understood the concept of flashbacks.
So, maybe two months later, they return to the land of infinite epiphanies and breathing enviroments (on the beach).
Now, not even 3 weeks later, SWIM is having the same reoccuring thoughts , mainly, "EVERYTHING REPEATS ITSELF" was a constant re-realization and in turn got SWIM a little worried about his sanity. He became severely depressed and even thought about killing himself at times, but he couldnt figure out why he was depressed. Also, memory loss and losing train of thought were haunting him everyday. Fianlly, he figured it out, the last time they took lsd (beach), had done it, the epiphanies had made him question everything ,right down to his own existence.
he even thought that maybe humans could be cancer to a much greater being (we are destroying the world after all, and the solar system does have the resemblance of an atom, and what are we all made of? ).now im sure to alot of people that would seem rediculous, but you gotta keep in mind that acid expands the mind, making alot of farfetched theories seem very feasible, and even with that no one knows whats out there for sure. people on acid use 13% of their brain, and so do "crazy people", and "geniuses" use 12. so can it be true that acid makes you more in touch with the universe, and for alot of people they cant handle something of that magnitude? who knows.
the point in writing this thread was to: 1. help people understand how serious of a drug acid can be and hopefully forewarn those who know little about its effects but are planning on trying it, and 2. hopefully get some feedback on others that may have had simialr expeiriences.

SWIM would read the LSD books by Stanislav Grof. Grof did psychotherapy with LSD, and his books give good insight into the drug.

Reading Grof gave SWIM good insight into the drug during the period when SWIM was tripping alot.

Realms of the Human Unconscious. Observations from LSD Research by Stanislav Grof M.D.

LSD Psychotherapy (The Healing Potential Potential of Psychedelic Medicine)by Stanislav Grof M.D.

They may be out of print, its worth buying a used copy, SWIY can find them fairly easily these days.

Also another thing, in SWIMs opinion, is if a person is experiencing HPPD like symptoms, staying off Marijuana can help. YMMV.

[humdroid]

that they made it illegal, and all of those poor disturbed childrens, then improving health, suddenly took a turn for the worst when they withdrew the medicine.

[snapper]

Human beings are a cancer rapidly overrunning and destroying the earth. We are not immortal like cancer cells, but uninhibited enough in our growth to overrun, overcrowd and expend everything eventually.
LSD causes revelations like no other hallucinogen. They are often not pleasant to contemplate and the very trauma of these revelations can have a lasting impact. SWIM had similar aftereffects from frequent LSD use, and they resolve with time.

[helikophis]

There's always the possibility that your revelations aren't really revelations at all, or drug side effects that are going to fade over time, or anything like that.

They might just be the way things are.

It might be time for you to start finding a way to deal with it.

Possibly everything does repeat (remember: spirals not circles - don't get trapped). Maybe we are a cancer (what is the function of cancer?). Maybe questioning your own existence is the sign of a sane human mind.

Not easy stuff. But you do have choices.

LSD five weeks in a row is pushing things. Some psychonauts find journeys work better if kept quarterly, more or less. Some people take it too far and then they really have to stop altogether. Some people don't stop when they should have. There is a real danger of obsession and delusion from psychedelic use. The symptoms you have described can be related to these. Recognizing that one is not comfortable with one's epiphanies is the first step to avoiding these problems. Remember that the locus of control is internal.

With enough persistence, if they are paying attention, every explorer of the inner landscapes will reach a point like the one you have described. Chances are that if someone continues experimenting with psychedelics at this point, the "epiphanies" will continue. It's a long way down the rabbit hole. If you don't like what you're finding in there, don't go back in. Or change what you have found.

Again, you have choices. This is a creative process.

LSD doesn't "turn" serious, it is serious. Psychedelics are not for entertainment; they should be left to the professionals.

Who are the professionals?



Most likely this post is full of lies and deceptions, and any and all advice and opinions either stated or implied should be ignored.

Also maybe lay off the drugs for a while?

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Fantastically well written

[snapper]

To add to the above point, SWIM once felt like the author of this thread, though SWIM used LSD sometimes daily punctuated by taking a massive dose which took 2 weeks to fully wear off. SWIM had some HPPD, but it was the sheer weight of the emotional and psychological revelations, both about SWIM and about the world around SWIM that crippled SWIM emotionally for years after. SWIM got over it, though at the time it seemed insurmountable, by abstaining from hallucinogens for 3 years and working through all of the problems LSD had revealed. In retrospect, those problems and revelations would probably have handicapped SWIM for most of SWIM's life had they not been brought out, though the process was very difficult. As helikophis points out, SWIM should have had professsional help through this, but "who are the professionals ?" in first and second world societies ? Sadly, there really are none.

[Ilsa]

Originally Posted by zera

Those numbers are completely fabricated. The concept that people only use 10% or 15% of their brain or whatever is completely false, every neuron in the brain has a specific and important function.

For the original poster, you need to remember that LSD does nothing to put you on another plane of existence or any new age mumbo-jumbo, it simply alters your brain chemistry. The perceptions and the ideas are entirely explained by neurophysiology, you're not gaining any new insight. Science should be left to the scientests.

yeah, the myth that people in general only use 10% of their brains is just that: a myth. i don't want to get too off-topic with this, but it's relevant to the quoted post about the nature of a trip, so here's the point: nature doesn;t waste....our bodies wouldn't waste energy on supporting the nutritional requirements of 90% of unused brain space (and neurons and supportive cells called glia are VERY energetically expensive). functional connectivity amongst various brain areas is part of what allows advanced cognitive function, and provides a good example of a group of processes that definitely comprise a large proportion of 'brain space' that's dedicated to efficiency in processing and assimilating incoming stimuli. in short, we use every resource we have, so from an evolutionary standpoint, it IS there for a reason or various reasons, many of which we are just now discovering.

[rawbeer]

posted by zera - The perceptions and the ideas are entirely explained by neurophysiology, you're not gaining any new insight.

Than what is insight, if not a neurological product? This statement just doesn't make sense to me. By altering your brain chemistry LSD makes you aware of aspects of reality you are not normally tuned into, leading to...a new insight. I agree with the scientific method but this seems grossly reductive. SWIM has definitely has new insights on LSD - his brain presented old info in a novel way and he gained a new understanding of it.
If our perceived reality is essentially a product of brain chemistry, who's to say that altering said chemistry will not result in a perceptually different reality, that is 'another plane of existence'? It may not be scientifically valid to say so, but saying "my heart yearns" isn't scientifically valid either, but it may be true experientially. Science cannot explain/contextualize all of the psychonaut's experiences - at some point he/she must employ art, imagination, self-reflection...
That said, the revelations of LSD - be they unpleasant or pleasant - are the starting point, and the individual must attempt to integrate them into his or her daily, normal existence in a beneficial way. While entertaining the notion of human cancerousness can be enlightening, it is a dangerous worldview to adopt.
And as a rule, don't adopt worldviews espoused in movies (this one comes from the Matrix), even if they're intelligent movies. They are always oversimplified.

[VitaminK22]

When swim took his first lsd trip, he experienced something very similar to swiy (read quote below from another post by swim)

Swim has never believed in any sort of religion or god but when he took LSD for the first time, he experienced something he now thinks could be very true, swim hasnt experienced a trip like it since then and it will be the 1 trip he will never forget.

Swim took his first LSD tab and was peaking after about 2 hours, he went into a deep trip where he could see millions of bright yellow dots all moving away from him, as they moved back, more would appear until there was that many dots that all swim could see was an overwhelmingly bright yellow ball. Swims trip was then distracted by his friends cat who had just climbed through the window, swim looked at the cat and could see a bright yellow ball inside the cat, he looked at his friend and saw a bigger, brighter yellow ball, every living thing swim looked at had a bright yellow ball inside. Swims friend started playing with the cat and when the cat was getting excited, the yellow ball inside would get brighter.

As the trip continued, swim came to the conclusion that the yellow balls were actually energy and being positive, enjoying life, having fun and feeling good about yourself creates more energy (thats why the cat seemed to have more energy when it was excited), every living thing makes this energy, and all the energy we create is constantly being sent to a higher force or something, we are all feeding this higher dimension just by being alive, the more we live, the more we feed it. As the trip went on, swim came to find that when we die, our consciousness leaves our bodies (the same way the energy we produce leaves our bodies everyday) and is powered by the energy every living thing is/has produced. Swim also realized that all the bright dots at the beginning of the trip were all the solar systems in the universe that were full of life and giving off this energy.

Swim believes this to be alot closer to the truth than any religion, purely because he has experienced it for himself, he has seen it with his own eyes, Swim might have been on LSD but its brought him closer than any bible can.

To swim, god is the higher force that we are all feeding, god isnt a person or spirit. God didnt create the universe, god just controls life and the energy produced by life.

To answer the question does god agree to drugs - "god" doesnt agree to anything, it isnt a person or anything. As long as the drug you are taking makes you feel good and you feel alive when you take it, you will produce more energy and thats all that matters

(dunno if that made sense to anyone but it sure makes sense to err..swim)

swim doesnt fully believe this though cos he knows it could just b the acid fkin with his mind and sht

Swim has always been interested in the workings of the universe and what life is, even before he took any drug. To swim, life is a virus, once its created, it spreads and will not stop unless something drastic happens (asteroid destroys the planet for example).
Humans are viruses to plants and other animals in the sense that we feed off them. Animals are viruses to plants, plants are viruses to the earth, they feed off the co2 in the air, nutrients in the ground and sunlight. Microscopic organisms feed of animals and plants, thats why we get flu and illnesses. There is hardly anything in the world you can look at that isnt crawling with life, whether its microbes, plants or animals.
We are all sucking energy from the universe, plants suck energy from the sun, we suck energy from plants and microbes suck energy from us, Whether that energy is being used to power our consciousness or just to power our body can only be answered by death (which is like 1 big kik in the balls)

Anyway back to the OP
The key to dealing with the thought of losing your sanity is to understand your trips but not fully believe in them as they could be meaningless, it could just be lsd making you think up these bizarre theories of how everything works.

Swim has had Deja vu many times on lsd, where hes in a situation that he has seen before. He has even felt like his mind is a secord ahead of time, like his brain has already processed something a second before it actually happens. When on lsd, stuff like this triggers a trip that makes you ask questions, like why do people experience deja vu, and you WILL find the answer, whether the answer is true or not is another question.

Swim believes acid makes you more in touch with the universe cos we are already in touch with it, we can see, smell, taste, feel and hear the universe and acid hightens all of them senses and can even make them join together.