GBL-first time experience

[Gonthar]

SWIM took for the first time 1ml of GBL around 8 PM after a light meal.After 20 minutes he began to feel drunk like after a beer or two. Around 9PM he felt nauseous and after drinking a barley powder drink to feel better he puked. Around 11PM the effects of GBL subsided. He went to bed but couldn't sleep all night.Is this normal?
The first hour, the effect was pleasant but after that-really bad!Also ,no aphrodisiac effects were felt.After 24h SWIM feels melancholic and slightly depressed.
Some suggestions?
SWIM just looks for an alternative to alcohol to use in social situations.

[PolyFractus]

That does not sound like GHB a all (assuming the barley drik did not contain alcohol). SWIPF always gets longer lasting effects and aphrodisiac effects too and has no trouble sleeping once the GHB wears off. You should consider making GHB form GBL and are you sure the you got good quality GBL from your source?

GBL/GHB is indeed a good alternative for alcohol in social situations

[nonlinear]

it sounds like ghb to me, you just ingested too much.

[MrG]

I believe he stated that his friend took GBL not GHB.

GBL should be taken in a glass of cold water. It can be tolerated relatively well enough by most people but some find it harder to keep down (SWIM's wife for instance hurls on GBL so he always makes the effort to convert to GHB which is a pH neutral substance and therefore not a problem on the stomach).

I wonder if something like Gaviscon taken after a dose of GBL would help settle things down.

[Gonthar]

Is 1ml of GBL to much for a 120 pounds guy?
The GBL was taken with lots of water.No unpleasant taste was felt.
What about GHB? Can it induce vomiting as well?

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM took about 1.25 ml of gbl earlier this afternoon; drank it neat chased down by about half a shot of good Polish Vodka. Started feeling something about 20 minutes in; sort of felt like I'd had a couple of strong beers or something. Also felt a little horny and made love to myself then later on went for a 20 mile bike ride and really hammered it!! Felt really nice and upbeat. Came back home and drank three pints. Still feeling very nice But want to emphasise that I had the beers long after the effects wore off.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Gonthar

Is 1ml of GBL to much for a 120 pounds guy?
The GBL was taken with lots of water.No unpleasant taste was felt.
What about GHB? Can it induce vomiting as well?

No, that would probaply be a good dose to start at, though SWIM thinks starting at 1,5ml and raising it with 0,1ml doses will be safe as well, and more effective. Please make sure SWIY has a accurate way of dosing, like a syringe.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by MrG

GBL should be taken in a glass of cold water...I wonder if something like Gaviscon taken after a dose of GBL would help settle things down.

SWIM has not used GBL very many times, but when he did, he had success in easing his stomach by chasing it with water mixed with baking soda.

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Good suggestion.

[MrG]

That would work to lessen the acidity of the GBL but too much (if someone were to be taking multiple doses throughout the evening) would probably still lead to a jippy tum.

[Broshious]

SWIM's problems with nausea on GBL seemed to be tolerance related. After having taken it for a few days he was able to handle a dose that before had made him feel awful and almost vomit.

[Jherryangel]

SWIU purchased our first bottle of GBL last night - 1ml then followed by 0.5 1 hr later. SWIU felt a little light headed so after another 60 mins took 1ml then again. SWIU kinda got visuals, felt a bit horny (should have necked a Viagra at that point, they told me) then spent hour slumped watching TV. Slept well that night, SWIU tell me.

[MrG]

Now that SWIY has experienced what a GBL high is like (no viagra needed unless doing same with lots of coke), then they should be able to fine tune their dosing a bit better the next time. They could try 1ml followed by another 1ml 20/30 mins later. After twenty minutes of the second dose then they should have a good idea of where the dosing might need to go from there (more if needed, or a long break before more later).

*Little tip - Once a user feels a "whooshy" kinda buzz (euphoric) then they are pretty much maxed at that point. Any further administration will invariably make them pass out.

It is *way* safer to take two regular (1ml) doses 20/30mins apart than it is to take one large dose (>1.5ml).

Set and setting have an important part to play in how G might be enjoyed. See this thread for discussion on that topic:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29603

[Jherryangel]

Originally Posted by MrG

They could try 1ml followed by another 1ml 20/30 mins later. After twenty minutes of the second dose then they should have a good idea of where the dosing might need to go from there (more if needed, or a long break before more later).

I shall ensure that I pass on your comments

Originally Posted by MrG

It is *way* safer to take two regular (1ml) doses 20/30mins apart than it is to take one large dose (>1.5ml).

Sadly, someone who isn't one of us (SWIOS) did a very silly thing when the other one of us who isnt us (OOOWIS) was on their way home from work.

SWIOS took 1 ml (or so they have claimed) on an empty stomach and went to meet OOOWIS from the station. Within 5 minutes SWIOS could hardly walk and luckily OOOWIS managed to get to them in time. Apparently, they reported that the 10 minute normal walk home took 30, including two 'vomit breaks' and a small discussion with 'Old Bill'!

SWIOS then slept for 3 3/4 hours but it is reported to us that there are no other side-effects except severe embarassment and a very sore ear from a reported stern 'telling off' by OOOWIS. SWIOS states they have learned their lesson!

Someone who isn't us (SWIS) would like to thank various posters and their postings for the essential information needed when reaching a decision on whether incident needed a visit to A&E - OOOWIS reports that they have had some medical training in past so were able to care for SWIOS without that taking place.

[MrG]

Glad it all ended ok but it does serve as proof just how tricky GBL dosing can be. It does sound unlikely that SWIOS had that sort of reaction off a single ml, it is more likely that he accidently took more than he had intended.

As for toxicity, both GHB and GBL are relatively harmless no matter what bullshit the media try to scare everybody with. The danger with these substances isn't so much the poisoning from ingesting, rather it is usually the harm that can occur from people either taking too much and passing out at the wrong time or from people taking it with other CNS supressors such as Alcohol or Benzo's.

[Jherryangel]

Originally Posted by MrG

Glad it all ended ok but it does serve as proof just how tricky GBL dosing can be. It does sound unlikely that SWIOS had that sort of reaction off a single ml, it is more likely that he accidently took more than he had intended.

That was the conclusion that SWIM came to - when SWIOS was asked to indicate 1ml of the syringe whilst holding it so that SWIOS wasn't able to see the graduations indicated an amount that when checked looked much like 1.5 or 1.75 mls - add a little coz SWIOS still feels guilty and SWIM came to the conclusion it may have even been as much as 2ml - at least SWIM now knows that maximum for SWIOS to take as a first does

[MrG]

bumpity bump

[Pino]

SWIM's experience. SWIM dissolved 5 milliliters of gbl in a liter of water. So one glass (200 ml) would mean a dose.

SWIM first took half a glass. Of course swim measured it accurately. He just dissolved it, so he couldn't possibly take to much. Even a full glass (250 ml) would mean 1.25 ml of gbl. And the stuff smells to bad to take with less water anyway.

After half an glass, swim almost feels an instant mood improvement. Really nice. The effect seems to plateau at 30 minutes.

Swim decides he can handle the other halve too. So he downs it. His stomach is a bit upset, however some food seems to fix it. Swim feels more woozy now. Little unstable on the feet. A clean high though. Swim understands, why this is a hypnotic. It gives a nice feeling in his body. Swim sees some similarities with alcohol, but not much. Alcohol feels more toxic.

After two hours (or so) swim decide to boost it with half an glas (100ml -> 0.5 ml gbl). It kicks in really fast. Swim panicks, this is way too fast. However the plateau seems to be reached faster too. Strange effect. He has problems focussing his eyes and he is dumber too. He tried to focus on some math problem (his favorite cognitive test) and seems to fail horribly. However it is really relaxing at this level. Swim doesn't feel really foggy too. Nice stuff. This is the point swim is now, he will report some more later.

Swim starts to feel some more pronounced euphoria, though the main sedating effect seemed to have plateaued. This is something to watch out for, it should be easy to take to much in this way. Music is better, and swim is enjoying some tea. 60 minutes after last 0.5 ml gbl. A nice tingling sensation, which started in his feet, is accompanying the euphoria. Swim is lazy and wants to read a bit. He will try this tomorrow, when going out. It should be interesting.

SWIM isn't sure of boosting it with another 0.5, it can ruin or it can intensify the experience. Swim doesn't know the outcome, so swim stops here. Maybe another time, SWIM can try more.

40 minutes from last time. Despite of the thing above, swim wants to boost again with another 0.5, spread over some 20 minutes or so. Swim drank about half of it. (+/- 0.25 ml gbl). He feels he drunk too much tea. 10 minutes swim ended the rest of the stuff. He feels the next dose is coming up. A warm feelings. Swim isn't so alarmed at the fast come up as the last time.
10 minutes from last time. Swim starts to feel somewhat tired now. He thinks, he is going to sleep. He will sleep fine, however he misses his cup of kava. He can't take it now.

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Good descriptive posting. I wish more people would make the effort around here!

[MrG]

It is often difficult to resist taking a "little bit more" as the G high is so nice and, as long as you are in a safe environment, it is unlikely to be harmful other than to maybe result in falling asleep. SWIM finds that, as detailed above, it is smarter to take a much smaller dose than normal if one were considering it.

[Pino]

Originally Posted by MrG

It is often difficult to resist taking a "little bit more" as the G high is so nice and, as long as you are in a safe environment, it is unlikely to be harmful other than to maybe result in falling asleep. SWIM finds that, as detailed above, it is smarter to take a much smaller dose than normal if one were considering it.

Yes, SWIM has some more experience now with the stuff and he found when using 1 ml as booster dose, it is too easy to take to much. SWIM had experienced this twice, while it was still fun (+/- 3 ml in 2 hours), he also was very drunk and acting very inappropriate -on a nice way-. The nausea was somewhat more pronounced, but bearable. SWIM also became really hungry.

Another strange effects of higher dose was that swim really felt energetic before he became drunk. Nothing like amphetamines, but more like cocaine. SWIM thinks there is some very interesting dosage range between being drunk and by just feeling relaxed. He will experiment a bit with it.

The taking-a-bit-more-push, is stronger than the push alcohol has to take a bit more.

Another note, when dissolved properly the safety of the stuff sky-rockets. Just add some syrup of your taste and dissolve it well (1:250 at least. SWIM thinks it is comparable to a 250 ml glass of 10% alcohol. This is of course subjective). The problem is that 1 ml and 1.5 ml has very different effects. However 200 or 220 ml of the dissolved liquid aren't so different in effects. It is better to put the stuff in a whiskey bottle with label or something, so SWIY recognize it isn't whiskey, but something else. Another con is the masking of the taste and the irritating properties. It is also easies to dose, when SWIY already is affected. So SWIY don't make mistakes, when measuring the amount of GBL.