Health - Die in your sleep from Ketamine?

[micro_mikey]

SWIM has a concern that when he does ketamine he could die when he sleeps, therefore if he snorted ket in the morning it would affect him and he could die in his sleep. Is this true?

[Nose Dive]

As far as I know, no. Are you sure you aren't getting confused between a k-hole and just over dosing )Which would be incredibly hard to do)

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[PingoTango]

That smacks of an urban legend to me...

[podge]

Originally Posted by micro_mikey

SWIM has a concern that when he does ketamine he could die when he sleeps, therefore if he snorted ket in the morning it would affect him and he could die in his sleep. Is this true?

Die from what exactly ? Swim has snorted K and jumped into bed straight away and has lived to tell the tale. Ketamine has been used in human medicine as an anesthetic to treat children so it is regarded as relatively safe when used in moderation.

[zera]

Ketamine was first developed as an anaesthetic with an extremely high margin of safety. The dose someone is using recreationally is far below, the anaesthetic dose, and the anaesthetic dose is far below the respiratory failure dose. Swiy need not worry about this.

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[allyourbase]

worst case scenario with ketamine physiologically: you develop Olney's Lesions, which are small tubules in the posterior cingulate cortex and retrosplenial cortex. even these can be gaurded against by combining small to recreational doses of GABA agonists like xanax, valium, seconal, and nembutal

[PingoTango]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

worst case scenario with ketamine physiologically: you develop Olney's Lesions, which are small tubules in the posterior cingulate cortex and retrosplenial cortex. even these can be gaurded against by combining small to recreational doses of GABA agonists like xanax, valium, seconal, and nembutal

In rats this is certainly true - there is as yet NO evidence to show that dissasociative anaesthetics like ket cause Olney's Lesions in the human brain, however, and there is an incresing amount of evidence to suggest that they do not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olney%27s_lesions

[VitaminK22]

Ketamine is probably the safest drug you can take, theres no dependancies or long term effects. A recreational amount used to K-hole is about 8% of that used to put people to sleep. To overdose, It takes about 10 times more of what it take to put people to sleep. Realy the only way of overdosing is to having some1 inject it for you or inject it too fast. it is impossible to overdose when snorting ketamine, its like weed, you pass out before you can do any harm to urself. The only dangers of ketamine are no being aware of what you are doing.

[Down-the-k-hole]

no dependencies?! You have got to be kidding me!?! Ketamine is one of the most addictive drugs SWIM has ever used.

[podge]

Originally Posted by Down-the-k-hole

no dependencies?! You have got to be kidding me!?! Ketamine is one of the most addictive drugs SWIM has ever used.

The word swiy need's to replace is "addictive" for "habit forming" ......psychological dependence can occur but physical dependence can not.

[Rio Fantastic]

Originally Posted by podge

The word swiy need's to replace is "addictive" for "habit forming" ......psychological dependence can occur but physical dependence can not.

Surely, the word "addiction" can be used outside of physical addiction? If the word was only used for only physical addiction, then cocaine can only be considered "habit forming".

Although Ketamine can indeed be addictive, one of its first uses was actually to treat alcoholism and heroin addiction.

[podge]

Originally Posted by Rio Fantastic

Surely, the word "addiction" can be used outside of physical addiction? If the word was only used for only physical addiction, then cocaine can only be considered "habit forming".

Although Ketamine can indeed be addictive, one of its first uses was actually to treat alcoholism and heroin addiction.

The term habit forming is IMO more accurate, addictive substance's create physical craving - habit forming substance's can create mental craving in some people. Mental addiction doesnt exist...... excuse the pun but "it's all in one's head". Thats why it's habit forming. Ket doesnt have your body craving the drug.... therefore it isnt addictive. But swim fully understands the lure of K can be quite hard to resist.

Also cocaine is generally regarded as habit forming - where as crack is considered addictive.

[TheBadMan]

Originally Posted by podge

The word swiy need's to replace is "addictive" for "habit forming" ......psychological dependence can occur but physical dependence can not.

AFAIK, "addiction" refers to the psychological experiences of craving and desire for a drug, not the aspects of physiological dependence.
For example, people given opiates for pain while in hospital can become physiologically dependent on opiates. Sometimes, doctors will not inform the patient that they are dependent on opiates and after release from hospital, the patient will suffer withdrawal symptoms. Since the patient does not know they are dependent on opiates, they do not crave opiates and thus are not addicted.

Dying from ketamine is unlikely given that a recreational dose is only a fraction of a medical. dose. If you get high off ketamine, you are taking LESS than a doctor would administer for anesthesia.

[420massacre]

Originally Posted by TheBadMan

AFAIK, "addiction" refers to the psychological experiences of craving and desire for a drug, not the aspects of physiological dependence.
For example, people given opiates for pain while in hospital can become physiologically dependent on opiates. Sometimes, doctors will not inform the patient that they are dependent on opiates and after release from hospital, the patient will suffer withdrawal symptoms. Since the patient does not know they are dependent on opiates, they do not crave opiates and thus are not addicted.

couldnt agree with you anymore on that statement

[Nose Dive]

It's only addictive because the risks are so minimal and the effects are so brilliant... Swim tells me...

[VitaminK22]

Maybe Swiy is gettin confused with a near death experience.
Swim agrees with swiND, ketamine is so addictive cos the effects are so mind blowing, but swim can see how it can become a psychological problem, you might like the ket reality so much that you dont wanna go back to normality.
when controlled, ketamine is truly brilliant.

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by VitaminK22

you might like the ket reality so much that you dont wanna go back to normality.
when controlled, ketamine is truly brilliant.

SWIM can't agree more with that. His friend he introduced confused him when he said 'I had a really bad come down'

Then swim realised he meant coming back to reality, which is not so good but after a sharp talk about the correct usage of said narcotic he was back on the straight and narrow. It's something to look out for in yourself and in others.

But when it comes down to it, all you need is common sense

[VitaminK22]

ketamine was first used as an anesthetic, i believe.

[enquirewithin]

Ketamine is a general anesthetic! And an unusually safe one.

[Coconut]

Originally Posted by micro_mikey

SWIM has a concern that when he does ketamine he could die when he sleeps, therefore if he snorted ket in the morning it would affect him and he could die in his sleep. Is this true?

Dying in our sleep is a risk everyone takes when they drift off to the Land of Nod. And dying while we're conscious is also a risk everyone takes while they're awake. We could die at any moment. Now, there may be a chance that ketamine could increase this risk while sleeping, but I haven't seen any evidence of this. If you ask me, you'll be fine. People undergo surgeries with K used as an anaesthetic all the time, and we all know that the recreational dose is much lower than the anaesthetic dose.

Moderation and dose are the keys to reducing risk, so if you're very concerned you could use K less often and/or use less.

[Paracelsus]

More accurate are the terms physical dependence and psychological addiction (synonym to habitual use). I've seen more than one argument about what word should be used for what.

[BumpBump]

swim knew of a guy who swallowed his tounge while deep and a K hole and died. Its the same as any drug where you lose consciousness, there is a danger of choking

[razorwiredildo]

Originally Posted by micro_mikey

SWIM has a concern that when he does ketamine he could die when he sleeps, therefore if he snorted ket in the morning it would affect him and he could die in his sleep. Is this true?

Swim has heard a similar myth regaurding dxm. The myth is that one can go into a coma if they sleep on dxm.
Swim has had no problems with this, nor does he know anyone who has.

[Nose Dive]

With Ketammine in particular SWIY would have to try extremely hard to come across any particular ill effects.
My Bill says he should imagine it would be nigh on impossible through snorting and quite unlikely in the case of injecting as these ammounts would have to be huge.

I have only read of a couple of fatalities in which ketamine was related and in those cases both suffered from Asthma, severly.

[420massacre]

if swivy snorts k and goes to bed. it would put swivy into a dream like world which ketamine already does if i am not mistaken. shouldnt overdose unless your over your limit with k. its easy to know when your body is starting to change symptoms i.e temperature, heart beat, etc. just dont do to much to fast and fall asleep and enter a k hole while your sleeping. choking on vomit in your sleep could cause you to die from suffication