Teen Stopped Taking Meds - Kills

[Nagognog2]

I wish the article identified the meds. Please post if you read what he was taking. But I can give a good guess.
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03/09/2007 00:15:23 EST Mother: Teen Shooter Stopped Taking Meds



MIDLAND, Mich. - A teenager who shot his ex-girlfriend outside her school before killing himself had struggled with anger and depression and recently had stopped taking his medication, his mother said.
David Turner, 17, had bipolar disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and had watched his father die of a heart attack in 2002, his mother, Marie Turner, told the Midland Daily News.

"He wasn't a mean person," she told the newspaper. "He was just really sick. I kept trying to get him help, and nobody would help him."

David Turner shot 17-year-old Jessica Forsyth outside H.H. Dow High School on Wednesday before shooting himself, police said. Forsyth was listed in fair condition Thursday afternoon at a Flint hospital.

Marie Turner said her son and Forsyth saw a counselor for therapy the day before the shooting.

"They were fine," Marie Turner said. "They were laughing and having a good time. I think maybe ... he just snapped. ... I just know he didn't mean to hurt her. He loved her. He wanted to take her on a cruise."

The mother said her son's relationship with Forsyth was on and off. The two had broken up about a week ago. Her son had gone to Dow High to return a watch and other items belonging to Forsyth, she said.

Marie Turner said he must have found a hidden key and opened her safe containing firearms.

[Alicia]

Swia found a number similar , from this link she come across. So it could be anything from Prozac to Effexor.
http://www.psychologydebunked.com/news.htm

Three school shootings leave 10 dead and dozens wounded - all have antidepressant links:
September 13 - Dawson College, Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Kimveer Gill, 25, fatally shoots young woman and wounds 19 others before killing himself. In an interview, his mother said Gill had been treated for depression a few years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_Shooting (Wikipedia) September 27 - Platte Canyon High School, Bailey, Colorado: Duane Morrison, 53, takes six female students hostage and sexually assaults them before releasing two and fatally shooting one, then killing himself. Antidepressants were found in the Jeep he was driving that day.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...032220,00.html (Rocky Mountain News, September 30, 2006)

October 2 - West Nickel Mines School, Bart Township, Pennsylvania: 32-year-old Charles Roberts lines up 10 Amish girls at the chalkboard of a one-room schoolhouse and shoots them execution-style before turning the gun on himself. Five girls die and five are in critical condition. All of his actions describe someone having a psychotic reaction to an antidepressant (see Dr. Tracy's blog posting at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...1714357/posts).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting (Wikipedia)
Three murders, one thing in common: Effexor: When the nation learned that Andrea Yates drowned her five kids in the bathtub of her Houston, Texas home back in 2001, many were asking why? Later it was discovered that weeks before the murders, her daily dose of Effexor was increased to twice the recommended maximum dose. Effexor carries a black box warning for suicidal ideation, and last year the FDA added a warning for potential "homicidal ideation." SSRI antidepressants like Effexor are making otherwise normal people cold-blooded killers:
15-year-old boy on Effexor hears voices and fatally shoots 7-11 clerk in Mount Vernon, VA

(NBC4.com, September 8, 2006) Australian mother on Effexor twice attempts to kill herself and her two daughters, taken off of drug in jail, and completely recovers. The judge blames her behavior on the Effexor and sends her home.

(Sydney Morning Herald, June 19, 20Woman on Effexor torches home and watches TV while her 3-year-old daughter and 2-year-old son burn to death. (MC

[Each Hit]

those are all terrible stories. if the drug is truly a factor, i think they should really study its effect. apparently, this drug can alter somebody's entire morality and decision making process. that is some serious brain alteration that should definitely be looked into.

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by Each Hit

those are all terrible stories. if the drug is truly a factor, i think they should really study its effect. apparently, this drug can alter somebody's entire morality and decision making process. that is some serious brain alteration that should definitely be looked into.

Unfortunately the laboratory the study is being conducted in is the schools, and the "volunteers" are teenagers with firearms.

Alicia - my money is on the SSRI's as well here. But you can guess the drug companies are bribing every politician in sight to block the studies. You can guess what the lawsuit will look like when a courtroom is packed with the parents of murdered children. Don't hold your breath.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Alicia - my money is on the SSRI's as well here. But you can guess the drug companies are bribing every politician in sight to block the studies. You can guess what the lawsuit will look like when a courtroom is packed with the parents of murdered children. Don't hold your breath.

Would not surprise swia, They still dont know how SSRI's work dont they have a similer action to cocaine only they work on serotonin if i spelt that right instead and stop it reabsorbing into the synapses.

[Nagognog2]

They don't even know for certain the basis for depression. Using an SSRI is based on an unproven hypothesis. But it sure does sell alot of pills! Besides - the companies can't sell Zyklon-B anymore. They need that revenue. It's the American Way!

[AntiAimer]

People just dont understand how bad these "medications" truely are and how little research has even been done on them. Nor do they have the information or guidance to find better medication that works alot better with fewer side-effects. All these new diseases ariseing are not just coincendence.

Very sad...

[Riconoen {UGC}]

swim takes effexor for depression and he never killed anyone. More fearmongering to throw in the culture of fear bonfire.

[El Calico Loco]

breggin.com has a lot of good information on the darker side of modern psychiatric medication. He might swing a little too far in the other direction, but it's a good source.

There may be some people whose depression is just genetic - there is something different about their brains that makes them unhappy, and all the roses in the world won't cure it. For those people, meds might be the only solution (and even then, The Blind Hermit assures me that MAOIs, despite their well-known risks, are less dangerous than SSRIs).

But I'd bet more than a dollar that most people's depression is related to the software, so to speak, and not the hardware. Trauma from bad experiences or alienation from a bad society, neither of which can (or should) be cured by a potion, powder, or pill. Armed with the proper entheogens, I think a competent therapist could cure most of these ills.


ECL
(But we'd have to start with the politicians and captains of industry.)

[stoneinfocus]

Bipolar disorders are usually medicated with neuroleptics, to "stabilize" your mood( you feel so bad, that you couldn´t think of any other things than that).

SSRI´s would be more for a depression with a minus symptomatik/disactivity and fear, although Prozac is indicated for mania and obsession as well.
Prozac, in fact, is an amphetamine, but with more sides, namely dedstroying the sexual appetite for months or years, even after cessation of the med.
but with neuroleptics one would have this issue included so there´d be nothing to worry about, that anything would be working correctly with you, everm when taken neuroleptics.

often patients stop taking those meds for that obvious reason (see also "dysphoria", which could drive patients to sommit suicide, ecven after escaping from an ICU, but psychiatrist disaggree about the severety of dsyphoris, just seeing it as a somple subjective abd irrational feeling without cause) and after cessation of the chemical straight-jacket, the whole symptoms will hit the patient with twice their strenght, plus some suffering he´d nver had without those meds., in fact, a normal person will look and feel like a psycho, when on neuroleptics, even more so, after stopping the medication.

If he had ADS and then benn given neuroleptics, it must have been the worst thing for him to experience, leaving him in a constant misery with some short phases of awaking and feeling immense pain and anger for the situation he was driven into, probably with the only wish to hurt and end everything.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by Riconoen {UGC}

swim takes effexor for depression and he never killed anyone. More fearmongering to throw in the culture of fear bonfire.

So what SWIY has not had a bad reaction to them. Its not also the fact that they can change people but the fact they have loads of unpleasant side effects. Its not fear mongering at all, There are hundreds of similar peoples experience reports that state the same and loads more on the ever-growing side effects list.

Why don't you save the fear-mongering and justice type posts for something more meaningful and have a read before you slam everything as 'fear bonfire'. Remember 'Fact' can educate more if you let it.

[lethalman]

yeah all the new type of antidepressants seem to be bad .the older type antidepressants seem to be safer then the new ones of to days. ones safe like dosulepin.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by co-incidence

Prozac in facz is an amphetamine,

WTF? Prozac was derived from an antihistamine. In what way is it an amphetamine?

[Nagognog2]

Technically prozac is a bicyclic amphetamine derivative. Look at it's molecular diagram.

[stoneinfocus]

Not bicyclic, but with two aryl rings, to be exact, bicyclic means an armchair-molceule which has a bridge of n atoms attached to it.

I´ve seen an offical name, where Prozac had the amphetamine part in it, too.

N-Methylphenylpropanolamine = amphetamine.

[Nagognog2]

Semantics. It's chemistry and names can be changed to create the explosion. Last analysis: It IS an amphetamine analogue. Take a look at Zoloft for a real chuckle.

[snapper]

SWIM thinks that this guy was just a bipolar and had a rebound mood swing from withdrawing from meds. Bipolar disorder can make people act out in extreme and unpredictable ways, and when treated, these symptoms can come back with a vengeance when the drugs controlling them are removed. Sure SSRIs trigger suicidal behavior in some, particularly adolescents, but bipolar disorder is more compatible with truely crazy behavior. Also, SSRIs are often contraindicated in bipolars because it can amplify mood swings.
Psychiatric drugs are drugs just like research chemicals, recreational substances and plant alkaloids. For some people SWIM knows, SSRIs have been a lifesaver - literally. They have their place, and though their mechanism of action is still only postulated, they do work and are much less side effect ridden than tricyclics. Keep in mind also that SSRIs have been shown to be highly physically addicting in some, which could contribute to psychotic behavior. The best antidepressants out there are, unfortunately, MAOIs, but they are not popular for obvious reasons.
SWIM thinks that someone who would kill someone else and then themselves is going to do it eventually. It's not likely that it was a random side effect of a drug..

[Beeker]

Oh I love playing with these samples. Lets see.

Classic Manic Depression bi-polar SWIM is ... dual insanity if you go back to the 40's.

1989 Prozac for 2 months then dropped - attempted suicide with benedryl.
1994 Zoloft - no feelings. lethargy couldn't cum dropped it

2000+
ritalin - worked
Wellbutrin - seizures after 3 months

moved to Dexedrine because of blood thinning and methyphenidate contradiction. (30mg a day)

at this point I only got free sample to see what they would do to me with a sitter while not working.


Effexor+dexedrine - voices - schizophrenic delusional psychotic - new record for me. *THUMBS UP*
Cymbalta - same but ran with it. ended up in the ER thinking I'd found the cure for sleep. took 6 men to hold me down.

[_caesar_]

I've uploaded a BBC documentary which investigates GlaxoSmithKlines cover up of the dangers of Seroxat when prescribed to teens suffering from depression.

Its in the file archive under Multimedia.

[stoneinfocus]

Effexor and Dexedrine is one of the most stupid combinations, ever, for a normal guy seeking fun, but even more so for someone having bi-polar disorder.

[Nagognog2]

"Effexor+dexedrine - voices - schizophrenic delusional psychotic - new record for me. *THUMBS UP*"

Wow! That's neat! Now I know what should go in the Punchbowl at the next party Bongo throws! This'll be a riot!

[xctico]

I was diagnosed with bipolar dissorder a while ago and I've been treated with several antidepressants over the years. here's a few comments on some of the ones mention on this threat... and a couple that weren't mentioned but are used on bipolar dissorders...

Tryciclic antidepressants: fuck off better than modern ones!! those things are horrible... painfull sensations inside the limbs, nausea, hatred toward's life and dark, dark future...


lamictal: nausea, contant dizziness, unability to function normally... lack of energy... lack of hope... lack of feelings. Ohh yeah, and it stopped my freaking diggestion so I threw up everything that I ate for several weeks, got my methabolism all screwed up [gained a shitload of weigth that Im still lossing 2 years later] and wasn't able to eat properly for about three months...


Effexor ---> addictive as fuck... stop taking it for more than 24 hours and you'll feel everycell in your body asking for the damn thing... even when on it everything has a weird feel to it...

Proxac ---> who gives a fuck? when you're on prozac you just don't care... everything is irrelevant... you have no incentive to keep going but you can't find a good reason to stop. [ohh yeah, at small dosages... very nasty suicidal thoughts come to mind; I've never had such thoughts outside the wonderfull influence of prozac]

Ritalin---> just thinking about it takes away every last piece of creativity and individualism...

Lexapro: quiet a good antidepressant, makes life seems ok and happy... only problem is that it makes it quiet difficult to focus.

Wellbutrin ---> lots of energy and good mood, hyperattention to detail, accompained by small muscular spasms and social paranoia [unease around people]... swim told me that most of the negative side effects go away with a little ganja making it a very enjoyable antidepressant...

they where many more... but the names become blurry after a little while...


regarding the psycho killer kid... it doesn't sound like something you would do on the deppressant stage... more likely in the manic stage... I had friends on lithium that go crazy whenever they stop taking it... as too why the stop taking it... well... it makes tryciclycs look fun, or so they say...

[snapper]

SWIM is bipolar and takes no prescriptions except the occasional benzo (klonopin). SWIM has so far found that the side effects of RX meds outweigh the benefits. SWIM self medicates with cannabis, kratom and lots of nootropics. SWIM used to use GBL which was the best ever for controlling mood swings, curbing manic episodes and generally maintaining normalicy, but sadly SWIM has no more and does not want to break the law to acquire some.
SWIM was extremely suicidal about 10 years back and 1 year of prozac permanently eliminated these impulses (go figure).
SWIM knows many who cannot go without lithium or depakote -they are the type that would probably be a similar headline to the above if they did. Cannabis has kept SWIM in control for many decades now, though SWIM has been told many times this is improbable. SWIM would not recommend smoking weed to anyone to control mania or depression given the likelyhood of it worsening symptoms, but it works for SWIM - not perfectly, but enough to function. The only thing SWIM has considered asking Dr for is valium for the really bad, overwhelming manic episodes - it used to take up to 20 ml GBL incrementally to control some of those (yes SWIM knows this is a lethal dose, but when SWIM was about to blow, it took that much just to keep SWIM sitting in a chair for more than 5 seconds - DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME !). Note that SWIM never passed out when SWIM was in this state from that dose, though normally 5 ml would be enough for a good 6 hours of sleep. This always made SWIM wonder if it was epilepsy and not mania which caused these episodes.

[Beeker]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

"Effexor+dexedrine - voices - schizophrenic delusional psychotic - new record for me. *THUMBS UP*"

Wow! That's neat! Now I know what should go in the Punchbowl at the next party Bongo throws! This'll be a riot!

you only need to serve 6 but get the conversation of 12!

Everytime someone at work gets depressed and I here they are on effexor ... they last around 2-3 months before the "midlife breakdown" ... faster if they secretly abuse drugs.

These are RC chemicals of the worst kind ... because they are given out by the new drug dealers.

[raccchhl]

Swim is bipolar, and like most people with bipolar, was strongly steered away from antidepressants such as efforex or prozac, though swim did try efforex. They are known for increasing mania. I doubt that is what he was on if he was bipolar.