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Old 06-03-2007, 04:49
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Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

SWIM thought this could be perhaps an interesting and informative thread to start. Every opiate addict is inevitably forced to do some cold turkey time at some point or another. Many SWIM's out there have found various little tricks to alleviate some of the symptoms associated with the withdrawl. What are your tactics to deal with the sickness (aside from the obvious like sedating yourself)?

#1 The first thing on SWIM's list if he knows he's in for a cold turkey spell is immodium AD (loperamide) as this seems to work really well to prevent the volcanic fire shites.
#2 To alleviate that about to "jump out of your skin" feeling SWIM will sometimes do some kind of exercise like jumping jacks... this seems to alleviate the feeling for at least a few minutes.
#3 SWIM finds showers to provide 30 minutes or so of releif (until the hot water runs out), even though sometimes he just sits there and lets the water running over him as he feels too weak to stand there the entire time.
#4 SWIM trys to eat saltines or peanut-butter toast after he's been too sick to eat for a couple days and needs to eat, these seem to be about the only "safe" things he can eat. SWIM also keeps a bottle of rolaids on hand.

SWIM will post some more of his withdrawl routine, SWIM hasn't had to cold turkey it for a few years so he'll have to think about it some to remember what he used to do in the situation. What are you other SWIM's little tricks to "try" to make yourself comfortable in this hellish state?
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:34
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

Swim didn't have very terrible withdrawls when he had them, but if possible just laying in bed trying to focus on tv as much as he could helped a bit. Anything to keep his mind of it helped. Funny movies are a good choice since they'll make you nice and happy.
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

when SWIM does OC for 2-3 days in a row he feels nausea and shitty the next day or 2, he just tries to eat and some ganja helps most definately. SWIM 2nds that shower tip as well
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Old 07-03-2007, 17:42
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

SWIMS best tip is this...DONT DO OPIATES!However it's probably a little too late for that if you are reading this post.Hot showers and baths are a must.If SWIY has access to benzos these are another good temporary relief though they will turn you into a bit of a zombie.
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:02
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

and then get you addicted to benzos haha
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

A for sure godsend to help ease the pain of those damn w/d's is Seroquel. That stuff will knock out an elephant. swim would take about 150-300mg's of it at night to help him get atleast 4 hours sleep. I know its not a home remedie, but if you can get your hands on them, they are a lot better than benzos cause those are as easy to get addicted to as opiates - maybe even easier. Also, since it is an anti-szichotic it really helps smooths out that harsh, your a f..kin crazy animal feeling that makes you wanna go nuts. Its also non-addictive.....well, atleast physically
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

drinking alot of energy drinks or coffee really helps me. Then at night, ambien is a god sent
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

SWIM has found that most doc's will prescribe tramadol much more readily than real pain meds. If SWIY can get some of these and save them for the cold turkey days SWIY will be suprised at the relief they can bring. SWIM finds the loperimide a must also. SWIM says the tramadol can be lowered over a few days and does not seem to have the W/D symptoms of opiates even though SWIM believes they are considered an opiate. It is much easier to deal with the bad feelings if you can keep some of these around. SWIM knows this is not a home remedy but it is an easier way to deal with the nausea, diahrea,vomiting,etc. And As mentioned many doc's will comply with this request and they can be kept for a long time.
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

SWIdr has a few activities that can be helpful when dealing with withdrawal such as: Reading, watching the TV/movies, writing (Journals, poetry, novels, blogs, etc.), drawing, and walking or hiking. Basically anything which requires concentration (no matter how hard it might be) or keeps you busy is good for the opiate cravings and such. Below is a list of drugs which has proven helpful for SWIdr:
Small semi-frequent doses (15-30mgs) of DXM has helped SWIdr when he has gone through withdrawels in the past. It is technically in the opiate family, so it does alleviate some of the physical WD symptoms, and it seems to make one more relaxed and help with the cravings.
Some priscription medications that can be useful for various opiate withdrawal symptoms are: muscle relaxers like Soma and Flexeril, benzodiazepines in general, Gabapentin & Pregabalin, hynotics/sedatives like Ambien and Lunesta, and barbiturates.
There are also many herbs/ethnos such as: Kava kava, kratom, valerian, scullcap, california poppy, blue lotus, wild dagga, and many more. And last but certanly not least, marijuana can do wonders for someone experiencing opiate withdrawals, and can help with insomnia.
These methods/drugs have all been helpful for SWIdr when he is going through WDs. Some of the suggestions mentioned above may not help some people, but SWIdr hopes that they may help at least a little bit with others going through this terrible ordeal.
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Old 25-05-2007, 12:54
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

Hello all,

SWIM has been on OC and LORTAB for over a year, and is noticing in the mornings when he gets up he is going through WD's. Foe about 10-20 minutes before he takes his first dose. (100mg).
Is there any new breaking news or advice i can give him? he is fixing to go cold turkey.

If he can do the Taper, how should he do this? he takes 3 doses of 100 mg a day.

the tramadol idea sounds pretty good, but I dont think he wants to tell his doctor what is going on.
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Old 25-05-2007, 13:16
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

The taper is one of the best methods, but, realistically, it is an opie addicts pipe dream. SWIM has never seen an opie addict who can resist digging into the stash "for just a little more this time".
TV does occupy the mind, so cold turkey it does help. SWIM will never forget day 4 of a sickness, wrapped in blankets on a couch watching Teen Wolf 2. He was crying and trying to explain to people in the room how "this kid just wants to fit in, man - he can't help it that he turns into a wolf. Why couldn't they just accept a basketball playing wolf?"
The sheer idiocy of it will always make me laugh now.
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

Maybe SWIY's should read this and start kicking the UN up the ass for screwing up its research and development

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32361
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Old 25-05-2007, 15:04
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

you guys are scaring SWIM. He has access to suboxone, would you guys reccomend suboxone over the taper remedy?

he thinks he can do the taper thing, or is thinking of tramadol. how much tramadol should he take? 100 mg 3 times a day?
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Old 25-05-2007, 15:33
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

if he uses the taper remedie, do you suggest 10mg,10,10-9,9,9-8,8,8 etc or 10,9,8-7,6,5-4,3,2 etc
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

suboxone must be taken only when withdrawal symptoms have started. Unlike Subutex, Suboxone contains the opiate antagonist naloxone in addition to buprenorphine. Taking an opiate antagonist will quickly bring withdrawal in full-force, causing feelings said to be worse than that felt by simple cold turkey.

Swim has found several relief supplements both pharmaceutical and not. They include:

Pharms-
1. tramadol seems to provide some relief. its action as an SSRI can be helpful.
2. occasional stimulants such as caffeine, synephrine, and even amphetamine
(Adderall).
3. the obvious benzodiazepines - swim uses clonazepam/Klonopin and alprazolam/Xanax
4. methadone - only 1-2 doses during the most intense phase. swim has a high tolerance to opioids/opiates and 10-20 mg dosages are quite sufficient. a non-tolerant person should start at 5 mg and titrate up at his/her own pace. intervals should be at least 4 days of daily use. methadone is not for everyone.

naturals and otc-
1. b-vitamins combined with plenty of water can be very helpful.
2. the often previously mentioned loperamide/Immodium
3. cannabis is very often the best source of relief for many, including swim.
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

thank you for all the help thus far, swim has a few more questions....

he also has access to valium (10mg) and large amounts of alcohol... his biggest concern is pulling this off w/o affecting his family (is this possible?)

for you that have went through the WD's, if you had it to do over again, swim wants to know what methods you would use.

also he is wondering if his back pain will increase?

how long in your experience will the WD's last? (approximatly)

he has been taking 300 mg a day, and already exp. WD's in the morning when his body has went the longest w/o a dose of opiate (approx 8 hrs). he experences nausea,runny nose, hot flashes etc. before his first dose (in anticipation of taking it)

his biggest concern is how it may affect his family and work. last time he went through this he used street remedies such as amphetamines in a powder form, but does not want to do this again, although it worked, but it caused adverse reactions to family and work.


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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

300mg of what?

The easiest withdrawl SWIM ever went through was in a detox facility where they basically just didn't want to deal with a bunch of druggies so they administered very large doses of benzodiazepines every 3 hours... SWIM didn't want to leave.

10mg valium(diazepam) will help with a with a lot of the withdrawl symptoms. However SWIM's problem with taking benzos for withdrawl outside of medical supervision for withdrawl is running out before the withdrawl is over, or basically just gobbling them down...

Also, you'll likely be pretty spaced out from the doses of benzos that you need to make withdrawl comfortable (if that is possible)... SWIMs family once found him bare naked, sitting at the dinner table eating a bowl of oatmeal... But if you can use moderately and have an adequate supply, then they are your best friend in SWIMs opinion for a cold turkey withdrawl.

The alcohol you mentioned... SWIM would leave it alone, if you are going to use the benzos. Bad, bad things have happened to SWIM by mixing the two during opiate withdrawl... as he has a tendancy towards excess even more so during a withdrawl period than normal. Plus the alcohol seems to make SWIM's bowel issues worse. SWIM uses alcohol to ease withdrawl symptoms as a last resort.

Is burprenorphine not an option for SWIY? That would be SWIM's opinion of your best bet of not affecting your family or work. If your job is on the line please be careful with the benzos.

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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

Sorry, SWIM only read your last post. SWIM now sees all the above posts. SWIM recommends the suboxone, it can work miracles. It's easier to come off of, still it can be rough to come off of if you use a high dose of it for year or two for maintanence. Tolerance to suboxone is weird also, its not like other opiates in this respect. SWIM has been taking the same dose of suboxone for 1 1/2 years, but yet is prescribed more than he takes. SWIM has always been afraid that if he took all that he was prescribed, he'd never be able to fulfill his bathroom duties.

But anyways, if you have the choice between cold turkey and suboxone, try suboxone to taper... if you relapse then try it as a maintanence drug.

The naloxone in suboxone is not active when taken sublingually, except by a very small minority of people who are hypersensitive to it, in which case it will absorb not through the veins under the tongue as most of the buprenorphine will, but through the lower digestive system. For this reason, people who are hypersensitive to naloxone(and can't get subutex from their physicians) let their pills absorb in their mouth, and then spit out orange drool after 30 minutes or so. This eliminates the adverse reactions in almost all those who are hypersensitive to naloxone.

To get back to the topic of home remedies for for cold turkey, SWIM has noticed many people mention the use of tramadol to ease withdrawl symptoms. SWIM once had to stop using MS Contin (morphine) to go to Canada, SWIM almost didn't go because he was expecting a mild to moderate withdrawl. Well, SWIM took some tramadol along and still, to this day SWIM has been amazed at how minimal his withdrawl was... it was almost not even noticeable. Curiously, when SWIM returned home(now out of tramadol) and thought he was cured since it had been a week, he began to feel a mild withdrawl. At the time, SWIM had never heard of tramadol having any narcotic properties, nor being able to relieve any withdrawl symptoms. SWIM had never even heard of people abusing it or getting addicted to it, although apparently people do. Looking back on, the only thing SWIM can guess is that it was the tramadol holding the withdrawl at bay.

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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

WHAT IS "burprenorphine" IS IT PHARM?
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

fyi

swim has decided to go the suboxone route, along with some vitamin "v" valium, he gets his script of 60 on the 28th, so swim guesses he will start then.


any suggestions on remedies for back pain during this painful process or adterwards? what about a supplement? or what do you suggest he take after the WD's? for back pain.

He doesnt want to go through this again.

quite frankly, i dont blame him


here is to hoping he doesnt have a bad reaction to the suboxone, and is able to work and perform family duties. (i feel for him)
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

Buprenorphine is the active ingredient in suboxone... so long as you don't try to shoot it, then you have naloxone as an active ingredient also. Subutex is a buprenorphine only pill that they typically are reluctant to prescribe.

SWIM and I both believe that if you are looking for a non-narcotic pain reliever, nothing beats ibuprofen(advil).

If you haven't tried suboxone before you'll be quite pleased. Does SWIY have a Dr. lined up or is he going to be getting it from friends / street?
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

Dear SWIOxyflash, benzos (especially valium) work great for w/d'ing, but please be very wary of them and take them only when absolutley necessary. SWIY doesnt want to trade one addiction for another, and valium is very easy to like - esecially for a opiate-lover.
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

swim just called and is asking me about dillada's (sp) he wants to know the difference between them and lortab and oc and how they will affect him.


the oc and lortab speed him up, he is wondering if the dilladas will do the same. they are 4mg white pills


keep in mind he is on a 300 mg per day of tabs and or oc.


sounds like he may be putting off the (quitting)


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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

Are yuo referring to dilaudid, aka Hydromorphone? They are a strong opiate. It wouldn't be quiting, just switching which strong opiate SWIO is injesting.
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Re: Opiate addicts Cold Turkey Home Remedies

SWIM has been addicted to opiates for nearly two years and has tried (unsuccessfully in most cases) to quit. He started on percs doing 80-100mg a day and then started adding in OCs doing roughly 120mg a day combined. He tried tapering and realized it was a lost cause because he would keep dipping into the stash. Then he started methadone taking 10mg a day and got himself down to 5mg a day when his stash ran out and he was unable to come by any more. He was forced to buy OC 40s and was back up to 40mg+ per day. He scored a stash of 40 5mg percs and is currently taking roughly 15-20mg per day. In all his experience, nothing short of another drug can help during withdrawals.

Swim once successfully quit opiates for about 6 weeks after a 2 week binge on cocaine. Swim was spending over $100 per day on this replacement, however. He no longer has access to the sources he then had or he would go the same route again. Cocaine will keep all withdrawal symptoms at bay. However, when quitting cocaine cold turkey, a deep depression usually sets in. Swim climbed out of that depression in 2-3 days and was drug free for a month until a friend flashed OCs before his eyes. Then it was back to square one. If Swiy have the money and resources, a little snow can be very helpful. But Swim used it for his job as well because he worked long hours and travelled a lot. It kept him peppy just as opiates made him friendly and congenial toward the customers he would have normally reamed.

If swiy're still interested in tapering, another good method is to find someone Swiy trust and that is not a user to hold your stash for you. Have them give swiy your preferred dose only at the predetermined times and no more, no matter how much you beg, plead, or swear.

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