Spiritual - Divine Intervention from Verbally Explaining Life?

[whatswimdo]

Maybe it's just me, but sometimes when SWIM Trips HARD, even when mildly tripping SWIM guesses. You actually understand and know the meaning of life! and when tripping and also when completely come down, trying to explain what makes perfect sense to you, for some reason will not come out like the way you are thinking it when trying to verbally tell someone what *the meaning of life* is... I say Divine Intervention because the whole time, it makes complete sense to you, and you know exactly how to tell others about it, but when it comes out. it makes no sense what so ever, not even to yourself. it's like God in the sense is stopping you from saying exactly what it means, and makes it come out so that nobody understands!.. or maybe, it makes perfect sense what you said, but the normal person or your normal brain functions can't comprehend what the verbal meaning is actually saying?

Too much to contemplate lol. God, SWIM wishes he had some right now.

Anyone else have this type of thing happen to them?

[mouthwater]

SWIM has had a few *very* strange experiences, on LSD, mushrooms, and certain disassociatives. It's very difficult to explain. SWIM and his/her trip partner would try to explain something, or make sense of something, or follow some natural progression in thought... and SWIM and his/her trip partner could never succeed in fully explaining it. SWIM and his/her trip partner seem to think they may have touched into some sort of infinite process, so they could never escape or make full sense of it. It still confuses the two to this day. They have some writings they produced while trying to solve/explain whatever force compelled them to think according to the specific thought process they were supposedly designated to use.

O_o

[whatswimdo]

LOL. maybe thats the answer right there! maybe everyone just sort of stumbled onto an answer, to a question that has no exact meaning, in that it can litterally go for infinity and beyond. so trying to explain it would make no sense, as your mind already moved on to the question just beyond the previous one that you were trying to explain. ACK this makes no sense haha. even now it makes plenty of sense in my head, but explaining it is impossible.

ok, lets try again then.

or maybe it's as simple as breaking it all down? what we are doing when trying to explain the meaning of life, is explain what we are feeling internally. then moving on to why we feel this certain way, and why we think we feel this way internally. Then the mind tries to re itterate that feeling into words, and because we do not normally feel these internal feelings, we question it at the same time we are trying to explain it, and the very first thing we were trying to explain becomes lost in explanation of other aspects of *why we felt, or thought we felt this way*?? don't know if that make sense to anyone.

Let me know guys

[WhiteRhino420]

Originally Posted by whatswimdo

You actually understand and know the meaning of life! trying to explain what makes perfect sense to you, for some reason will not come out like the way you are thinking it when trying to verbally tell someone what *the meaning of life* is...

SWIM knows exactly what you mean...
He also get those thoughts were you think you're happy and some what sad at the same time and can't figure out what your emotion is, along with the "there is something missing in my life and I need to do it now!"
SWIM HAS to do new experiences or something that makes SWIM happy while tripping to get the most amazing effects out of it.
It's true that shrooms mix and combine your thoughts, emotions, and senses together.
Lets just say SWIM's experience havn't been bad yet, he was miserable at some points on come downs (such as sleeplessness) but all in all, No regrets

[DryIce]

This is why you write down your thoughts.

[Dalfir]

The meaning of life is experience. I sincerely believe that in this human shell, our souls/energies/whatevers are meant to question and understand certain concepts that need to be understood when we eventually leave this mortal plane. In the next state of being, which I also don't believe can be comprehended as a human, we'll be greeted with new concepts and ideas that can only be grasped properly if we have a previous basis of understanding that should be attained in this state of existence.

That's why murder is such a horrendous act, because it forces unprepared transcendence.

[Schwag]

Originally Posted by Dalfir

The meaning of life is experience. I sincerely believe that in this human shell, our souls/energies/whatevers are meant to question and understand certain concepts that need to be understood when we eventually leave this mortal plane. In the next state of being, which I also don't believe can be comprehended as a human, we'll be greeted with new concepts and ideas that can only be grasped properly if we have a previous basis of understanding that should be attained in this state of existence.

That's why murder is such a horrendous act, because it forces unprepared transcendence.

Swim agrees, He's thought about it for a while and he always came to the same conclusion. The whole purpose of this life must be experience. Swim thinks that the more you experience in life the better prepared you are for whatever is next. As for forced transcendence, what's to say someone who doesn't live a full life isn't given a second chance? Similar to school, if you fail a grade or class you repeat it until you comprehend enough to step up to the next level. Swim sometimes wonders if he has been given a "second chance". Throughout his childhood he went through constant deja vue. Maybe it's stupid but he wondered if maybe he had been given a second chance at my life because he fucked up before and he was now re-living his past life. He still gets deja vue but not even close to as much as he used to, this makes him think maybe he did something different this time. That's just a theory, maybe it's crazy maybe it's the truth swim might never know.

Sorry if that was kind of off topic.

[Dalfir]

What are the most important concepts on can grasp in this reality? I say love and the pursuit of knowledge (ie; philosohpy).

I like your de ja vu theory, although it does then get into the idea of alternate reality and parallel universes...But I don't disagree with that. Is your idea of a second chance reincarnation or devine intervention?

My idea of God (I believe that in this state, the closest anyone can get to God is fully understand the concept.) is knowledge, truth, understanding, white light on a scale that cant be comprehended because all thought processes, all human cognitive rules and concepts are redundant when we take that one step closer to God.

I don't see God as a personality, someone that can directly communicate with a human, communication as we know it goes out the window when we're in a non-human state and closer to God.

I fully believe that God is the answer, but not in a bible-bashing your-only-chance-at-redemption way. Rather, God is at the end of top of existence, mortal and immortal. It is a force/entity/power whose scope simply can't be grasped because as humans we have absolutely no basis of understanding or reference to compare it to.

So yeah, although I say it with a very non-religious tone, God is everything and God is answer to all the questions we will ever have...In this existence and those to come.

I don't believe that miracles are the concious decision of a deity who we can liken to a human, I'm not sure exactly what miracles and devine intervention can be from a God who transcends the concept of human likeness to infinity. Perhaps morality and free-will are also the only consistent ideals that we will carry with us till whatever form we're in we are a breath away from God.

I think enlightenment in this existence, true enlightenment, isn't understanding the nature of God but rather fully understanding the concept of the nature God. As paltry as that may seem I think it can totally revolutionize a person's outlook on life. Completely grasping just the concept of what God is, is a monumentous achievement.

While in no way do I claim to have reached true enlightenment, I believe the most basic form to understanding maybe even just the concept of the concept of God is the number 18. Or 1/8.

Now this is when the drugs start speaking :P

For size reference. Imagine the scope of God makes up the size of the world. Compare that to a single grain of sand. The difference is beyond enourmous.

Take a common dosage of LSD, which is 1/8th the size of that grain of sand.

For those that have been under the influence of LSD, imagine - from that reality shift - all the answers you've discovered, all the understanding you've gained and from that revelation, all the new questions you've asked and all the new concepts you've been faced with.

Imagine all of that too makes up just 1/8th that grain of sand we're comparing to the scope and size of God.

Now imagine the amount of sand you'd need to equal the size of the world. Imagine all the revelatory answers and new questions each eighth of a grain represents. When you have enough grains of sand - and all they represent - to fill up the world, you have God.

This is where it gets beyond average human comprehension. This is now getting akin to explaining colour to a blind person, or trying to imagine time before the creation of existence. When one can fully and completely understand the extent of everything God makes up, then I believe they are truly enlightened.

The holy number in Judaism is 18, because Life in Hebrew is spelt with a two letter word, The first letter being the 8th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, and the the second being the 10th (read in Hebrew, this adds up to 18). Perhaps the number isn't holy because it spells life, but human life is important because of 18? Perhaps some ancient Rabbi who noted this had a similar 1/8 analogy to better understanding God (other than using an LSD dose to explain the catalyst for answers and new questions)

Gone really off-topic, but...Yeah. Hope this can lead onto something :P

[augentier]

Dalfir, I agree very much with your perception of what God is, and that God is the ultimate "goal" of our souls. This perception of God and how we as humans have learned throughout millenia to tap into it also makes sense out of the development of religion, and the decline in those intimate "mystical" experiences the early religions had with the essence of God.

As for the inability to really explain life the way we realize it while tripping, verbal language is so limited - we simply do not know enough words or have enough words that describe everything that goes on internally. It is impossible to verbally describe or analyze something that transcends the brain's normal capacity for thinking. This is the beauty of a trip, though. This is the beauty of one-on-one encounters with a higher self and a more detailed reality. Even if you're tripping with someone else who is having a similar experience as you're having, the trip is in many ways unique to you - how your soul and mind react to something will never fully make sense to another soul and mind.

But this is why reading all these types of posts by everyone here is so fascinating..hopefully someone is able to grasp the idea of another's experience and integrate it into his own

[Heretic.Ape.]

that happens to SWIM all the time, "eureka! this is it, it's all so simple, don't you see...it's like this...no like that...uh..."
i tend to think that it as seeing for a moment beyond the constrictive factor of ego based logic and into the face of the incomprehensible and unexplainable self evident meaning inherent in the very process of living, something that can't be quantified or qualified within terms of normal psycho-sociological paradigms. it's frustrating not to be able to bridge the gap between the two modes of experience but very rewarding just to get a glimps of it.

[meep]

Its a perfect bubble of thought until you burst it trying to share - I have a funny feeling dying is going to be one lonely ass trip.

[Nose Dive]

I agree totaly with this topic. Swim was once tripping and saw a 'divine being' who explained through thought that it is trying to reach us and connect us all but we ourselves are too busy arguing with wars and what not to hear it's wishes for us.
Swim was saying this as it was unfolding in his mind and his friend thought he had finally lost it.