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SWIM would like to know what would be the best site for SWIM's first IV injection that would be easiest to hit and conceal, and maybe the least painful.
swIMO depend, very easy can be over the hand making vein more visible using an hemostatic lace, it wont leave any visible sign if maded carrefully or at least much more little than in the middle of swim's harm's, but again these are very personal facts, it can change swims by swims.
Just a tip for swims, do be in pain during this operation and if possible dont do it..
SWIM has always found the vein on the inside of her elbow to be the easiest spot to hit, it's large, visible, easy to reach, doesn't roll and doesn't usually bruise if just using once (if it does bruise long sleeves will cover it). The veins on the wrists roll and swim found these bruise easily. The veins on feet and hands are small (harder to hit) and painful to inject into. Inner thigh can be dangerous if swiy doesn't know the correct spot, as can the neck. Other large veins on the arms work ok too, depending on the size of swiy's veins, males usually find these veins big enough and easy to use.
Sounds like upper arm is by far the best, and it's easy to conceal, just don't wear any sleevless shirts. From heroinhelper.com
Where to Inject
Choosing an injection location should not be determined solely on where veins can be found. Some areas of the body are more safe to inject into than are others. Below is a list of injection areas in order from safest to least safe.
Arms: The upper arm is the best place in which to inject--there are relatively few nerves there and the veins are large. Just the same, the veins tend to roll, so this must be taken into account.
Hands and Wrist: There are more nerve endings here and the veins tend to be smaller and more delicate and thus more prone to damage. On the positive side, they are easy to find and stable.
Legs: These veins are at greater risk of forming blood clots. Interrupting blood flow in the legs is particularly serious because these veins are the most important for bringing blood back to the heart.
Feet: These veins are even more delicate than those in the hands. There is also relatively poor circulation to the feet which means that damage done is repaired slowly. Special care should be taken to clean the feet if they are used for injection because of the possibility of infection.
Groin: The largest vein in this area--the femoral vein--is very close to the femoral artery. It is easy to miss the vein and hit the artery--causing the usual problems.
Neck: Just as in the groin, it is easy to miss a vein and hit an artery. Hitting the carotid artery is potentially fatal. Even apart from injecting into an artery, damaging the veins that go from the brain is very dangerous. The brain needs blood more than any other part of the body.
My cat is almost always using her cephalic vein (crook of the elbow) for obvious reasoning. She's shot in the wrist before with success, same with the hands.
When rotating, she keeps in mind that we have veins that are peripheral to the cephalic.
She bangs morphine daily nowadays, heroin if she can score (easier for her to get morphine or oxycodone) and her typical cycle is:
Right cephalic at the crook, right peripheral, left cephalic at the crook, left peripheral, right cephalic higher, left cephalic higher.
That's when she's got clean arms haha
Aside from that, after she may do the hands at the vein along the middle finger, then feet, then groin.
Depends on her state I guess, for instance, her cephalic veins at the moment just look bruised and abused with little remorse or shame... But then she is always stressed right out recently so that makes sense.
Not two weeks ago, she looked as if she may not even use just because it wasn't daily.
Keep in mind the risk of extravasation if that's not been noted. Remember to let the tourniquet go before banging hahaha
When my cat was new at the IVing game, she shot 2cc of diamorphine (2cc for dilution, like). She plunged 2cc's of fluid into her bulging veins, the hit masking the safety bit... She shot too quick, pulled out too quick and didn't release her tourniquet... You can guess how that turned out lmao I swear her vein forced 1/4 of the solution a solid foot in the air.
Now we look back on this shite and she is totally embarrassed about her ignorance
HOWEVER, she missed a shot ONCE and got a lovely SC injection of lorazepam that burned too much for her liking. Then after the extravasation incident, never fucked up again haha
Two unpleasant experiences right away kind of got the message to her
IV is dangerous and if that's how the user chooses to use, then they must be smart about it!
Sterilize, keep a sharps bin, deliberate. Filtration is key imho
My cat found that the best way to work around the tourniquet is to use something like a tenser bandage, stretch out about two-foot and bite down on the long end. Wrap the bandage firmly around the bicep twice and pull the remaining stretch into the armpit which is used to hold the limp end tight.
Flex hand and make fist, flex arm back two or three times, [sterilize], slap the site a few times if needed.
-Now she found its a lot easier to simply shift her arm to release or at least used to use this method. Now she uses a belt actually, with a similar idea though.
The Crackoon generally used the backs of his paws, but that's not really advisable. The best spot is probably the vein on the thumb side of the forearm, about an inch and a half back from the wrist, just tie off and you'll see it, it normally sits in a little indent and isn't visible when not deliberately dilated.
Well I've always got with upper arms and inside forearms....I've been an IV user for 10plus years and
Am now starting to experience weird tingling sensations and numbing after I run a shot...I as well am looking
For a new safe injection area cause its starting to bug the shitb out of me...lol...plus it feels like I'm just wasting
The goods you know??
If you clench your fist with your thumb facing you and bend your arm, there is a vein on your elbow that stands out just past the humerus, (the nub of bone on your elbow). One can inject there, and it is less obvious than the crook of the arm, though it is also more difficult to hit.
Try sitting somewhere warm -- that always makes your veins bigger.
The crook of the elbow vein is very easy to hit, and if don't right should not hurt at all or bruise. Of course over time this can get worse. I personally can hit my vein there everytime no tie off necessary. But my friend we call the phlebotomist because he can hit you anywhere first try its pretty crazy, if he's around i just let him hit me cause its so quick easy and guaranteed.
Wouldn't recommend groin injecting, it's easy and fast but there's always the chance of hitting the artery which is unbelievably painful. I used my groin for 2 years after all my other veins stopped working, I used to rotate every single time but had major trouble injecting. I have had 2 DVTs and still have circulatory problems from groin injecting.
I also wouldn't recommend feet, soo painful, especially if you miss (and even the tiniest drop will probably lump up). Legs scar really easily, I still have bruising on my thighs and I stopped injecting months ago. Hands also hurt, but can be alright.
Wrists are painful, there is an easily mistaken artery there too, I've injected into it myself.
There is a spot on the inside of the upper arm that is pretty good but it's hard to explain without showing you where. Neck is alright if you have someone who knows what they are doing or you are good enough to do it in a mirror. It can be dangerous though and will obviously be visible. It will be very painful if you miss, will probably lump or severely bruise.
I have used all these spots at some point, I would definitely say use your arms for as long as you can and hope they last as long as possible. It's not fun when your using 15+ pins all over your body for hours at a time trying to get a vein.
Make your body as warm as possible, pump your arms and use a tourniquet. Arms are definitely the least painful, and don't forget to rotate sites regularly.
Last edited by E.vanilla; 02-06-2014 at 13:17.
Yes I knew someone who used to shoot up all kinds of stuff even if I told him he couldn't (example injecting benzodiazepines using water)
We found out the the arms mainly the three veins you can see when you rest the back of your hand on your leg the three veins in the elbow there and the one continuing along the bicep also proved very promising and least painful.
EmergencyGrant24 added 6 Minutes and 23 Seconds later...
I can't find the Edit button however I would like to add that Injecting any drug into your body comes with it's risks (Diseases, Cysts, Blown Veins and infection) Whenever I did this I used the proper equipment and medicine that was made for I.V. use. I also used the proper sterilization techniques.
The main point here is to be as safe as possible! I'm trying to promote Harm Reduction as I knew people who are no longer alive due to the fact they thought it would be fun to shoot up some drugs.
Be safe everyone
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