Opinions - "I don't understand cocaine" / cocaine is overrated/ cocaine is not worth it

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Push-Limit

If your going to do cocaine do it with an open mind and want to enjoy it. Dont expect it to give you a buzz to rival speed/mdma. Thats not what its about and no one ever said it was.

I admit there is a lot of hype from media and kids trying to be cool which doesn't help.

Bottom line is that coke is i,n my opinion, the best drug. But if your looking to get totally fucked up then your barking up the wrong tree mate.

All this is said assuming coke is mixed with alcohol. Swim wouldn't touch coke with out Alcohol because it is a different experience, i feel.

SWIM agrees with this. The only problem is the fiending aspect, when SWIM's brain is on it wants more, more. Amusingly enough this also true with good coca (leaves)...when shredded you can have a high intake, and the effects are delightful... Alcohol and cocaine go together for SWIM and everyone around SWIM, because of the euphoria the mixture creates, nothing like it...
Totally agree about the subtle quality of cocaine psychoactivity is just so clean, so social and extrovert. then you talk too much and have the feeling that everything is important, but it's not that bad. A quality SWIM appreciates in cocaine is this relative "cleaness" of effects, as opposed to the empathogenic side of MDMA, amphetamine rush etc... It's a question of taste, SWIM likes feeling really good, talkative, good humoured, excited (ah that lasting feeling that "something is going to happen"), horny, just full of life that a little occasional cocaine use (with a few drinks, to counteract any edginess and loosen up) generates. As Gottlieb put it, it is a drug of "true hedonists". Couldn't agree more, but it not for "getting wasted", tripping, being stoned, no it's about feeling great, enjoying, and making ordinary social events more exciting... that's where the magic lies for SWIM.

the downside being the psychologically addictive qualities of the magic powder, the short lasting effects ( hate feeling that it's time "to do another one", especially as you get higher and the urge increases), the fiending, the short lasted semi-depression caused by dopamine shortage the day after, and the jumpy usually aborted sleep (swim usually can't get more than 5 hours sleep after a cocaine night, then he's up and hyper, while tired...), thinking about it often (now wouldn't it be cool if we had some coke with us now), ridiculous price....

the key is moderation, and counterbalancing with a heatlhier lifestyle.
oh, a premium peruvian coca leaves from the Quilimba valley... a 10 gram chew is wonderful...but that's another story !

[Push-Limit]

What i am trying to say is that coke is a very understated drug that has been seriously over hyped for the wrong reasons. Too many people see the films/news and get the wrong idea.

dont forget there is a lot of shite charlie out there

[pharmapsyche]

Before SWIM knew firsthand what cocaine felt like he asked a lot of different people what they thought it felt like. The majority of responses were negative, usually along the lines of "it's not all it's cracked up to be." SWIM went into his first coke experience thinking it was going to be somewhat boring. Well, SWIM was in for a surprise. It was much more spectacular than anything he had been lead to believe. He likes amphetamine and methylphenidate just as much as he likes cocaine. The moral of the story is, cocaine is obviously different feelings to different people. Some people don't understand what the big deal is, and some people do. But when I say 'a big deal' i don't mean it's any more special than amphetamine. The big deal really lies in the fact that it's super exclusive and expensive. It's definatly more of a novelty than a lot of other drugs, IMO

[Benga]

Originally Posted by benzenerings

He likes amphetamine and methylphenidate just as much as he likes cocaine. The moral of the story is, cocaine is obviously different feelings to different people. Some people don't understand what the big deal is, and some people do. But when I say 'a big deal' i don't mean it's any more special than amphetamine. The big deal really lies in the fact that it's super exclusive and expensive. It's definatly more of a novelty than a lot of other drugs, IMO

way back yonder amphetamine is probably rarer than cocaine.
Cocaine is more expensive, but probably more available now.
SWIM prefers cocaine over amphetamine because of amphetamine's overpowering strengh and duration, differences in euphoria, and the crash, which is way stronger than cocaine's.
when offered to choose between the two, swim would probalby choose cocaine, even though it is too expensive, because swim finds it of more value within swim's drug usage. SWIM wouldn't take amphetamine to have a little night out having a few drinks with friends nothing fancy, whereas cocaine, sure, why not...

[luckyatl13]

in swims opinion coke is alot better than any amphetamine in the world. swim tweaked once and HATED it. basicaly being awake for a long time but stupid like being stoned. that was his opinion atleast. im sure there are people out there who love meth but swim just doesnt. if u expect to get supper gone of yay then your never going to feel it. the thing about it is ur still the same person but incredibly happy. you have to have a taste for a good drug.

[raven3davis]

SWIM agrees with you yayo is way overpriced. The buzz can be enjoyable but the anxiety and paranoia from coke make SWIM more paranoid that anything else. You really get a lot more bang for your buck with speed, but its just a matter of preference. To be quite honest SWIM likes cocaine a lot. The paranoia sucks but if combined with a low dose of xanax all is good. The comedown is also harsh but remember, xanax is your best friend for comedowns

[u4ic]

Seems like you either love it or you hate it. A lot more hate it's I'm sure. A lot of people who used to like it move on to meth as it works for a lot longer without the abrupt crash. There's not much to it, your up for a little while and then you crash for a few hours and then you're a little down or tired the next day. The consequences of meth can be much more severe and last even longer. At least with coke you pay for it all up front and right away.

[pharmapsyche]

Could it be possible that the people who don't really enjoy it too much just had experiences with cocaine of a low purity? Does every batch of coke vary in potency by a substancial amount?

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by benzenerings

Could it be possible that the people who don't really enjoy it too much just had experiences with cocaine of a low purity?

Quite possibly. When Swim first ever smoked crack his reaction was "Is that it??" hardly any buzz at all. Certainly not worth that much money.

Swim has had better crack since then, but it's still not an earth-shattering experience. But it's something nice to share with friends though. And I think that's its real appeal.

Klaatu

[Sublime]

SWIM tried coke for the first time and felt nothing more than a nasty drip that numbed his throat/front teeth. SWIM thought maybe he had some bunk shit, so SWIM tried it for the second time with a few friends. All SWIMs friends loved it, but still SWIM got nothing more than a nasty drip, numb throat/front teeth.

[pharmapsyche]

SWIM thinks that the reason you didn't think it was so enjoyable as you hoped it would be is because maybe it's made to be a bigger deal than it is. Cocaine is a very expenisve drug, considering there many other CNS stimulants for much cheaper and having a much longer half-life. Adderall or Adderall XR is often compared to Cocaine, but as they are both stimulant drugs and they also stimulant you in basically the same way, they are two different high's. Cocaine, lasting anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes, and Adderall or MethAmphetamine, for that matter, lasting anywhere from 4 to 8 hours. SWIM believes that there are two different comes downs when you are comparing Cocaine to other stimulants such as Adderall. Cocaine's comedown is much shorter and varies. A regular Adderall user, will start to notice their comedowns are often quite the same, and usually don't vary too much and last much longer than any cocaine come-down.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM likes the first hit then after that it just makes you want more, at the end of a binge youre glad its over and then for days you think it was a rubbish experience. You talk crap on it, you dont really feel a great high the downer sucks and it costs a fortune.
But then the weekend comes again......*sigh*

[xpr´k]

Swim tried coke again 2 weekends ago, this time with alcohol. It has idd a nice subtle euphoric feeling in combo with alcohol, there's deffo 'something' there but then swim looked at his wallet and decided he's trough with experimenting on it .
Nothing that mild should cost that much iho, even after 5 times (and yes he's sure he had good coke on at least 2 occations) its still very hard for him to describe exactly what a cokehigh is. Its also hard to decide to what extend the good time he had was down to the coke or just the night itself.
For him a couple of beers and good company is evenly enjoyable.

[fletch]

coke isnt expensive if youve got the right contacts, the street value is insane but anyone witha secure connection to the good stuff knows that its really quite inexpensive compared to the value on the streets. although i dnt think its allowed to discuss prices, sorry if ive done someting wrong

[obusucks]

In SWIM's opinion, no other drug even comes close to how amazing coke is.
Most everyone that SWIM has introduced to coke havent liked it alot, because they don't understand it. They want to get 'fucked up' and coke won't do that. Its such a different type of high, its hard to explain...but coke is definately worth the hype.
O yeah, coke and alcohol is a terrible mix. SWIM had done a g. of coke, then decided too start drinking a few hours later. ONE FUCKING SHOT OF VODKA and swim blacked out. Next thing swim knows, hes stadning in front of the hospital, fixing to go in for alcohol poisoning. swim looks up at the hospital and is like, 'shit, they probably will test my blood, wont they?' swim was informed that yes they would, so swim went back to the dorms to die cuz 'swim dont give a shit'
guys, ONE shot, and a blackout??? be careful mixing that shit, thats all...cuz swim isnt a light drinker, before anyone starts talking trash....

[EyesOfTheWorld]

Originally Posted by fletch

coke isnt expensive if youve got the right contacts, the street value is insane but anyone witha secure connection to the good stuff knows that its really quite inexpensive compared to the value on the streets. although i dnt think its allowed to discuss prices, sorry if ive done someting wrong

Yep. If my friends drug fiend cat were to go buy on the streets, he would get some stomped on bullshit for way overpriced, but, he's been in the game long enough to know who to really go to. Basically he says that all of you that buy your coke at street level prices are wasting your time and money on bags of baby laxative and crushed up ritalin. He advises that you get to know people in the game, the higher up the chain you go, you remove one stomp with every middleman you cut out. of course this means you may have to buy at least a quarter ounce, but my friends cat has never had any trouble finding other cats to throw in with him when they know they're getting good yoca at good prices.

[wafcwarrior]

Discussing prices is wrong i know but its well known buying in bulk is cheaper (buying 20 cigarettes is cheaper than buying 10) so the more/higher up the chain u go buying cocaine SWIM told me its cheaper although SWIM still rates it as possibly the best drug ever it is still not to expensive but not exactly cheap

[dat dude]

i hear alot of people say this and that theres much better drugs out there for much cheaper eg ecstacy heroin... maybe not herion beging cheaper but ya get my point

[hazeinmybong2]

Originally Posted by NBL

Many 1980s US movie directors also blamed coke for some awful movies they made in the era.

The music of the decade is also terrible. Coke is fun sometimes, but it really is a waste of money. It deffinately doesn't make me feel like I have advanced my understanding of the world or that I am more intune with the universe after a gagger. All coke makes me feel like doing is, well, more coke.

[AceOvArts]

If SWIM does alot of coke almost everything around him becomes annoying, he cant concentrate and music quickly becomes irritating.
SWIM hates coke, because yea, all it makes you feel like doing is more coke.

[DryIce]

Originally Posted by AceOvArts

If SWIM does alot of coke almost everything around him becomes annoying, he cant concentrate and music quickly becomes irritating.
SWIM hates coke, because yea, all it makes you feel like doing is more coke.

Sorry for double posting, but I'm pretty sure it'll merge my posts;

SWIM knows how you feel, if SWIM does a lot of coke for about 5-10 minutes after hitting a line he feels extremely hostile and aggressive... and hates everything. This is usually after a decent time binging. Say if SWIM starts hitting around 9pm at around 3am on a binge SWIM will start getting really agitated, yet can't stop unless some sheer force of willpower stops him to get some rest. Usually after hitting around 3am SWIY/SWIM won't be even thinking about sleep until 6 or 7 am...

[TXRoughneck]

That might be a good thing. SWIX had to attune himself to C before he discovered its horrible pleasures. Now he can hardly live without it.

[Sickness Life]

If you dont feel anything try the following..

First crush it up an get your ID cut out a line similiar to..
_______________________
| |
|_______________________|

You will then proceed to think your having a heart attack realy your just high

[hazeinmybong2]

hum, swim might adjust his screen resolution to 640x480 and try that haha.

[ramjet]

"That might be a good thing. SWIX had to attune himself to C before he discovered its horrible pleasures. Now he can hardly live without it." SWIM was exactly the same - it's an acquired taste. People approach it in the wrong way, thinking it's a hard core drug that will get you nicely fucked, but it doesn't work like that. You have to approach it with the right frame of mind, mix it with the right setting and plenty of alcohol. SWIM has snorted fat lines only to feel really irritable and/or paranoid, but if the setting is right SWIM feels fantastic.