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A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
Some information in this guide is temporal (relating to time)—specifically, the stock price of UST is dependent upon date of reading. Studies may become outdated in time, and SWIM (or others) will hopefully add any new research contributing to or contradicting the information below to this thread. Smokeless Products:
References: 1. Gel Could Help Satisfy Nicotine Cravings (NBC) 2. UST Inc. - Stock chart, Index chart - MSN Money 3. Snus Safer Than Cigarettes (The Oregonian, a response by Professor Brad Rodu) 4. Tobacco Harm Reduction: An Alternative Cessation Strategy for Inveterate Smokers (by Rodu, B. (Tobacco Harm Reduction Research, School of Medicine, University of Louisvilleand Godshall) and Godshall W.T. (Founder and Executive Director of Smokefree)) 5. Effect of Smokeless Tobacco (Snus) on Smoking and Public Health in Sweden (by Foulds, J., Ramstrom, L., Burke, M., and Fagerström, K.) Edit: This "guide" is continued in subsequent posts within the thread. Last edited by mouthwater; 08-11-2008 at 01:22. |
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
Cheers for that Mouthwater. One thing, is that your own work, or a copy-paste? If the latter, please credit the original author/compiler If at all possible.
Sources... |
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
This is my own work. I originally linked to my sources but Alfa edited them out a few hours ago; I didn't know I shouldn't link to them in this article, sorry!
I've been meaning to write up an article on smokeless tobacco, so I figured I should start with outlining the products. Hopefully in the near future I will detail the controversy of the dangers of tobacco-specific nitrosamines and the growing Western cultural trend of using smokeless tobacco. I noticed the Tobacco forum wasn't too active, so I thought it would be constructive to write up a guideline pertaining to the use of smokeless tobacco products (because smoking tobacco questions and information seemed to be well covered by the search engine). Hopefully this forum will hear more about tobacco-specific nitrosamines soon. Cheers! |
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
Great stuff! Feel free to expand at will!
The links may have been removed due to linking to Government sites, other Forums or potentially commercial sites. Only guessing mind. Always check sites for discussion boards or shops, even in ads. |
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
i'm interested in a link on wikipedia, stating that nicotine is...
Tobacco contains nicotine, a powerful neurotoxin that is particularly harmful to insects. All means of consuming tobacco result in the absorption of nicotine in varying amounts into the user's bloodstream, and over time the development of tolerance and dependence. Absorption quantity, frequency and speed seem to have a direct relationship with how strong a dependence and tolerance, if any, might be created. A lethal dose of nicotine is contained in as little as one half of a cigar or three cigarettes; however, only a small fraction of the nicotine contained in these products is actually released into the smoke, and most clinically significant cases of nicotine poisoning are the result of concentrated forms of the compound used as insectisides. It is important to note, however, that death can result if a small child ingests an amount as small as a cigarette butt (not including filter). Other active alkaloids in tobacco include harmala alkaloids. i recently quit smoking, and was interested in dipping for a safer alternative to smoking. but i just came across this article while looking at the health effects of nicotine, and realized it is a neurotoxin. i don't enjoy nicotine enough at all to get mouth cancer or kill neurons... can anyone confirm this or provide further information? a little nicotine every once in a while is nice, but with my higher education still in process, id appreciate keeping my neurons... |
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Well, first off, if you recently quit smoking, reconsider your interest in using any nicotine products again. Smoking is usually a tough habit to kick, and if you succeeded in doing so, you should probably abstain from all nicotine products in the future (or, at the least, use them very sporadically).
The effects of nicotine are very complex. Some studies claim nicotine kills brain cells (and stops new cells from forming) in the hippocampus [1]. The hippocampus is the center of memory. It's well documented that many smokers trying to kick their habit experience short-term cognitive problems. However, some studies show that nicotine also has neuroprotective properties. Cigarette smokers have lower rates of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease [2]. Nicotine use, like most (if not all) things, has its pros and cons. It triggers the self-reward mechanism in one's brain, is a calming stimulant (calming because it satiates the addiction for the time being, if I recall correctly), and may protect against certain neurodegenerative diseases. It can also lead to addiction (which costs money) and be the cause of some health complications (such as poor lungs, depending on the user's intake method), which may cause cancer and may or may not lead to death. Nicotine information is infrequently conclusive-- many believe the drug can offer something to society, many believe it is so terrible it should be entirely demonized. I'm trying to offer both sides of the debate. I do not know how neurotoxic nicotine is, or how it will affect you. An individual's body chemistry, frequency of use, family history, medical history, method of intake, and other variables all must be considered before anyone can offer good information about how harmful nicotine use may be for a particular person. In my opinion, people shouldn't use nicotine for it's neuroprotective properties-- it seems to risky. Botas, like I stated earlier, reconsider your reconsideration to use nicotine. Switching to smokeless tobacco products may just be a way for you to justify your use (demonstrating an inability to quit), or you may really have considered the pros and cons of nicotine use and made an educated decision about it. Don't relapse unless you've given it plenty of thought. [1]. Nicotine stops new brain cells forming (New Scientist) [2]. Study Supports New Theory For Nicotine's Protective Effect Against Neurodegenerative Disorders (University Of South Florida Health Sciences Center) |
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wow. mouthwater, you couldnt have given me a better answer than what i was looking for if you had a gun to your head. i dont think im going to continue my habit due to the uncertainty on the issue. thanks alot!
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Glad I could help!
Last edited by mouthwater; 10-03-2007 at 22:43. |
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
SWIM has been interested in snus for a while, after reading that it is more popular in Sweden than smoking and, allegedly, 100 times less harmful.
The tobacco has supposedly been pasteurised so as to make it less carcinogenic. Unfortunately, it still appears to be illegal to sell, where SWIM lives, presumably so as not to encourage new tobacco addicts. It seems harm reduction is still taboo for some. |
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Fan-fucking-tastic, mouthwater!!
Brilliant advice. I don't like throwing accusations about but I swear I've read something very similar before... Nevermind, I didn't know half of those existed! Atm I'm using nicotine gum for quitting smoking, but chewing tobacco sounds fun.... ![]() Thanks! ~Dark |
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The following is personal research and should be read as such. This means the reader, if interested, should read the citations provided and the commentary accompanying them at the bottom of this post.
Regarding rumours that fiberglass/plexiglass/glass/sand/et cetera is added into tins of chewing tobacco: pH of tobacco is mostly responsible for oral absorption.[1][2] While cigarettes are more scrutinized to inspection, before sale, than chewing tobacco,[3] it's unrealistic to believe manufacturers would be allowed to put such additives in their product (especially w/o proper warning labels). "Nicotine from the alkaline smoke of cigars is absorbed through the buccal mucosa..."[4] -- "buccal" refers to the mouth, and "mucosa" refers to the lining of cheeks and lips. While this statement refers to smoke, they specify "alkaline" smoke (that with a pH greater than 7). I think it's a safe assumption that this reference supports my defense that oral tobacco doesn't contain fiberglass (or other detritus additives), because, since moist tobacco sold has specific pH levels,[1] they are [likely] absorbed through the buccal mucosa as well, so there would be no need for fiberglass in the first place. Also, some people chew tobacco that doesn't come from companies, as mentioned in the first post. Twist, plug, and scrap chewing tobacco are sometimes used by those who harvest the tobacco crop. I think it's a safe assumption that they wouldn't chew these forms of tobacco if it didn't work. Tobacco distributors, and users, take a lot of heat these days, no? [1]. Determination of Nicotine, pH, and Moisture Content of Six U.S. Commercial Moist Snuff Products -- Florida, January-February 1999. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In regards to the second time this citation is used, the report states pH levels of various smokeless tobacco products, which range from pH levels of just over 5 to just over 8. The higher the pH, the more efficiently nicotine is absorbed. [2]. Review of the evidence that pH is a determinant of nicotine dosage from oral use of smokeless tobacco. SL, Tomar and JE, Henningfield. Office on Smoking and Health, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. [3]. European Union policy on smokeless tobacco: a statement in favour of evidence based regulation for public health. Tob Control. 2003 Dec;12(4):360-7. From the abstract: "We believe that the partial ban applied to some forms of smokeless tobacco in the EU should be replaced by regulation of the toxicity of all smokeless tobacco. We hold this view for public health reasons: smokeless tobacco is substantially less harmful than smoking and evidence from Sweden suggests it is used as a substitute for smoking and for smoking cessation." Because they state that the EU should regulate toxicity of all smokeless tobacco, I gather that many institutions don't thoroughly inspect chewing tobacco before it is released onto the market, and I assume that these institutions don't simply allow smokeless tobacco onto the market without at least some kind of inspection. Because cigarettes are more widely used, I think it's a safe assumption that they are scrutinized to inspection more than smokeless tobacco. [4]. Mouth versus deep airways absorption of nicotine in cigarette smokers. Gori GB, Benowitz NL, Lynch CJ. Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1986 Dec;25(6):1181-4. |
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
I think it may be interesting to add something about e-cigarettes (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-cigarette) to this list.
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that's weird man... it even lights up at the end for effect...
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
about the E-cigarettes
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so that isn't even safe to smoke :P? or am i understanding it wrong? |
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However, I expect that in the future cartridges will become available which do not include propylene glycol (for health reasons). Also note that, although the prop glyc should have been left out, there is little doubt that this device is much less hazardous to the consumer than normal smoking. Btw, propylene glycol is also used in disco mist machines. |
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lol when u said that :P i defenitly would not try that :P
but smoking sigs is also a wast of my money and body.. i'm try'ing snus! ordering now
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
Why can't it be water mixed with nictotine?... that wouldn't chnage the PH level of the body.
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Although, water would require more energy to evaporate (so, the battery won't last as long). But even better: make it pure nicotine (if necessary with a little bit of taste stuff added) -- and vaporize less of the stuff. Makes the cig smaller, makes the battery last longer.
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Keeps going, and going, and going, and going.... *Pink Rabbit Beats Drum*
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
Snuff is actually extremely common where swim lives, you can buy it in all supermarkets and kiosks, and is used mainly by teenagers.
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Re: A Guide to Smokeless Tobacco Products
Does SWIY have personal experience with snuff? SWIM is interested, but knows nobody who has tried it. Does SWIY live in Europe, out of interest? SWIM didn't know snuff was still popular in some places.
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Yup swim does live in europe, in switzerland. Its quite surreal but snuff is popular mainly because it can give a nicotine rush even to heavy smokers, well thats the reason swim thinks anyway. Swim does have personal experience, and thinks its much better than smoking tobbaco. It is a lot cheaper, easier to carry around, and more fun. swim puts it on his hand, one or two pinches, then snorts it in both nostrils. In switzerland swim has found its popular to hit someones head after theyve just snorted snuff; it improves the persons rush aparently. |
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Well, I'm the snus user. And the main thing you should know about this sh*t - it is very addictive. I was trying to get rid of this bad habit many times. And I'm still using this sh*t. Snus dont give me some euphoria, or drunkness or energy like it was when i just started to use it. All my snus was over last friday and I tried to stop using this stuff till saturday, but today i bought two boxes of snus again! what a hell. I have the psychological and physiological addiction to snus. when i'm planning to stop use it? i think when this two boxes will bу empty. but the true is i'll go to tobacco-shop again.
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Swim never had that problem; if anything, swim finds Its a lot less addictive than ciggs. |
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